Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[laughing dog]

The point is she put herself in harm's way by living with an armed felon. Take stupid risks, sometimes something bad happens.

Oh ffs: she broke up with the felon. Booted him out long before she was murdered in her own bed. Neither of us have a timeline for their relationship so as far as either of us know, he appeared to be a stand up guy when they got together and she dumped him as soon as she smelled a rat.

Besides which, you are ignoring the FACT that the police lied to get their warrant had the suspect in custody at the time. Or the fact that incompetent and dishonest police

practices would have put into danger the lives of any subsequent tenant in that apartment and any neighbor of that apartment—as they put into danger the lives of neighbors that night.

All of whuch I’ve typed out before. You just cannot get over your hard on for defeusing police and for killing unarmed black people—double points if they are women and black.

Yeah, but note the status of the guy she was with.

I have a big problem with how warrants are handled, but she's nothing like innocent.

OH MY GOD: A person dates someone who turns out to be not so great. They break up.
She deserves death.

WTF

LP’s argument , distilled to its essence, is anyone who does not meet his standard if “innocence “ deserves whatever outcome the police mete out. While notion that a lack of pure innocence is a valid excuse for the killing of an uninvolved unarmed civilian by the police is an authoritarian’s wet dream, it should be a nightmare to a decent person.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No, YOU note the actual situation: Police were looking for a felon who did not live at that address and had not lived there for some time. The felon was in custody. The police fucked up. Someone who was not a police officer died. Note: this happens MUCH more frequently than police being shot by their suspect or some other person.

The police lied to get their warrant. Which technically makes the warrant illegal, which means they were committing a crime even by entering. Hence Walker had every right to shoot at them (his charges were dismissed with prejudice). Since Ms. Taylor's death occurred while the police were engaged in criminal behavior, they should have been charged with felony murder. Hmmm.

Got some evidence as to those numbers?

. What numbers do you refer to?

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

 

[laughing dog]

No, YOU note the actual situation: Police were looking for a felon who did not live at that address and had not lived there for some time. The felon was in custody. The police fucked up. Someone who was not a police officer died. Note: this happens MUCH more frequently than police being shot by their suspect or some other person.

The police lied to get their warrant. Which technically makes the warrant illegal, which means they were committing a crime even by entering. Hence Walker had every right to shoot at them (his charges were dismissed with prejudice). Since Ms. Taylor's death occurred while the police were engaged in criminal behavior, they should have been charged with felony murder. Hmmm.

Got some evidence as to those numbers?

. What numbers do you refer to?

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

Assuming that is true, it doesn’t negate the fact the warrant was illegally obtained and they had no right to be there.

 

[Toni]

No, YOU note the actual situation: Police were looking for a felon who did not live at that address and had not lived there for some time. The felon was in custody. The police fucked up. Someone who was not a police officer died. Note: this happens MUCH more frequently than police being shot by their suspect or some other person.

The police lied to get their warrant. Which technically makes the warrant illegal, which means they were committing a crime even by entering. Hence Walker had every right to shoot at them (his charges were dismissed with prejudice). Since Ms. Taylor's death occurred while the police were engaged in criminal behavior, they should have been charged with felony murder. Hmmm.

Got some evidence as to those numbers?

. What numbers do you refer to?

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

Doesn’t change the facts: they were supposedly looking for someone already in custody. They killed a sleeping woman. They endangered the lives of neighbors in other apartments.

Sorry our mistake might mean a lot more if the police did not double down by attempting to prosecute someone for believing his home was being invaded by someone armed and dangerous. Turns out, he was right.

 

[ZiprHead]

I'm saying "unarmed" includes people trying to grab the officer's stuff. (I won't say gun because we do have a case where the cop shot because the guy got his taser.) I am not saying all unarmed cases are trying to grab the officer's stuff, just that many are.

If someone is grabbing for a weapon they are unarmed at the time. If they are called, then the officer is armed and may have time to take nonlethal measures.
So your argument is pretty flimsy as an excuse.

Officer grabs his taser, perp grabs his gun. Officer is dead.

Your imaginary scenario is missing a few intermediate steps and ignores a crucisl caveat which makes your response moot.

What steps? If the cop goes for his taser that is basically relinquishing control of the gun the guy was going for.

It's very difficult for someone else to remove an officer's firearm while it is still holstered. They are designed to prevent exactly that. I've seen one officer say he actually has to put on his gun belt to remove the gun from the holster.

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You been informed of this several times already.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

Assuming that is true, it doesn’t negate the fact the warrant was illegally obtained and they had no right to be there.

The officers that entered did so in the good faith belief that their actions were legal.

And use of force decisions always are evaluated based on the information known to the person using the force.

Remember that idiot who went around with his friends filming video of them scaring people? Except they scared one guy into shooting. In hindsight there was no threat--but there was an intent to scare and the guy with the gun reacted as if the threat was real.

 

[laughing dog]

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

Assuming that is true, it doesn’t negate the fact the warrant was illegally obtained and they had no right to be there.

The officers that entered did so in the good faith belief that their actions were legal.

You keep repeating that. But it doesn’t make it right nor ought it make their actions legal.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

Assuming that is true, it doesn’t negate the fact the warrant was illegally obtained and they had no right to be there.

The officers that entered did so in the good faith belief that their actions were legal.

You keep repeating that. But it doesn’t make it right nor ought it make their actions legal.

But neither does it make the shooting illegal. Self defense is evaluated based on what a reasonable person would believe the situation to be. They believed they had legal permission to be there, thus responding to the threat was legal.

 

[Toni]

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

Assuming that is true, it doesn’t negate the fact the warrant was illegally obtained and they had no right to be there.

The officers that entered did so in the good faith belief that their actions were legal.

And use of force decisions always are evaluated based on the information known to the person using the force.

Remember that idiot who went around with his friends filming video of them scaring people? Except they scared one guy into shooting. In hindsight there was no threat--but there was an intent to scare and the guy with the gun reacted as if the threat was real.

What part of good police training has police officers firing blindly through doors and windows where they cannot see what is on the other side, in an apartment building where there is a high likelihood of hitting uninvolved residents? Who, given the hour are likely to be sleeping?

 

[Gospel]

The officers that entered did so in the good faith belief that their actions were legal.

If not the officers who entered, then who? It’s not like the officers who filed for the warrants can’t claim they did so in good faith. Where does the responsibility lie? With that said, you might think this post is just to complain about the system's unfairness, but it’s not. I’m actually highlighting a serious problem with law enforcement. Do you agree that this is a problem, or do you believe it's acceptable because they don't exploit the concept of good faith excessively?

 

[laughing dog]

And while they lied to get their warrant that's not a felony. You need a felony for felony murder, not merely a crime.

Illegally entering a hone us a felony.

The officers that entered didn't know about the lie.

Assuming that is true, it doesn’t negate the fact the warrant was illegally obtained and they had no right to be there.

The officers that entered did so in the good faith belief that their actions were legal.

You keep repeating that. But it doesn’t make it right nor ought it make their actions legal.

But neither does it make the shooting illegal. Self defense is evaluated based on what a reasonable person would believe the situation to be. They believed they had legal permission to be there, thus responding to the threat was legal.

If you had actually read my comment, you’d know it is not a rebuttal to the clear idea that it ought not make it legal. It was wrong. Their lousy markmanship killed an innocent bystander. Those officers should only be employed in prison while doing time.

 

[Derec]

If you had actually read my comment, you’d know it is not a rebuttal to the clear idea that it ought not make it legal. It was wrong. Their lousy markmanship killed an innocent bystander. Those officers should only be employed in prison while doing time.

What evidence do you have that it was "lousy marksmanship"? They had a 9mm handgun, not a sniper rifle, and BT was right next to the shooter.

What I also find funny is that the same people who think police are inadequately trained also oppose training facilities for police, like the one in Atlanta that is subject to attacks by radical left activists. You can't have it both ways.
#fundThePolice

 

[laughing dog]

If you had actually read my comment, you’d know it is not a rebuttal to the clear idea that it ought not make it legal. It was wrong. Their lousy markmanship killed an innocent bystander. Those officers should only be employed in prison while doing time.

What evidence do you have that it was "lousy marksmanship"? They had a 9mm handgun, not a sniper rifle, and BT was right next to the shooter.

Ms Taylor was not a target and she was shot to death by the police. And their target - Kenneth Walker is alive. That is blatant lousy markmenship.

What I also find funny is that the same people who think police are inadequately trained also oppose training facilities for police, like the one in Atlanta that is subject to attacks by radical left activists. You can't have it both ways.
#fundThePolice

Please stop with these generalizations. You cannot find a quote from me that corresponds to that observation because I have never said or though such a stupid thing. On the. contrary, I think police should be better trained and better paid and better supervised and better held accountable.

 

[ZiprHead]

Officials release video of officer fatally shooting Sonya Massey in her home after she called 911

Bodycam video of the fatal shooting of Sonya Massey was released Monday afternoon. The video shows the chaotic scene after a sheriff's deputy shot Massey, who is Black, in the face during a tense moment over a pot of water in her home.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ZiprHead]

Officials release video of officer fatally shooting Sonya Massey in her home after she called 911

Illinois officials and President Joe Biden spoke after bodycam video of the fatal shooting of Sonya Massey was released by Illinois State Police Monday afternoon. The video shows the chaotic scene after a sheriff's deputy shot Massey in the face during a tense moment over a pot of water in her home.

Sangamon County Sheriff's Deputy Sean Grayson has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, aggravated battery with a firearm and official misconduct. He is being held in the Sangamon County Jail while he awaits trial.

"(The video) is going to shock the conscience of America. It is that senseless, that unnecessary, that unjustifiable, that unconstitutional," civil rights attorney Ben Crump said. "This sheriff's deputy was twice as large as Sonya. Why would you have to use a gun to shoot her in the head?"

Authorities said Massey, who is Black, called 911 in the early morning hours on Saturday, July 6, to report a suspected prowler outside her house in Springfield, Illinois.

 

[Gospel]

I'm going to excuse myself because I will not respond well to excuses.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Officials release video of officer fatally shooting Sonya Massey in her home after she called 911

"This sheriff's deputy was twice as large as Sonya. Why would you have to use a gun to shoot her in the head?"

what else would he shoot her in the head with?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Officials release video of officer fatally shooting Sonya Massey in her home after she called 911

Illinois officials and President Joe Biden spoke after bodycam video of the fatal shooting of Sonya Massey was released by Illinois State Police Monday afternoon. The video shows the chaotic scene after a sheriff's deputy shot Massey in the face during a tense moment over a pot of water in her home.

Sangamon County Sheriff's Deputy Sean Grayson has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, aggravated battery with a firearm and official misconduct. He is being held in the Sangamon County Jail while he awaits trial.

"(The video) is going to shock the conscience of America. It is that senseless, that unnecessary, that unjustifiable, that unconstitutional," civil rights attorney Ben Crump said. "This sheriff's deputy was twice as large as Sonya. Why would you have to use a gun to shoot her in the head?"

Authorities said Massey, who is Black, called 911 in the early morning hours on Saturday, July 6, to report a suspected prowler outside her house in Springfield, Illinois.

The cop’s saying “what else would we do?” Highlights the issues with police training that need addressing in this country.

 

[laughing dog]

Officials release video of officer fatally shooting Sonya Massey in her home after she called 911

"This sheriff's deputy was twice as large as Sonya. Why would you have to use a gun to shoot her in the head?"

what else would he shoot her in the head with?

My first reaction as well.

One hopes this coward pleads down for a quick trial in order to avoud wasting the state’s time and resources.

 

[TSwizzle]

The cop’s saying “what else would we do?” Highlights the issues with police training that need addressing in this country.

I don't think it is a training problem with this guy, it is a recruitment problem. This guy is a fucking psycho.