Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 35 fatal shootings per million of the population as of March 2021.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and March 2021 stood at 35 per million of the population, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 14 fatal police shootings per million of the population.

You completely did not address my point.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Inside 100 million police traffic stops: New evidence of racial bias

Part of the research:

The Stanford Open Policing Project

Currently, a comprehensive, national repository detailing interactions between police and the public doesn’t exist. That’s why the Stanford Open Policing Project is collecting and standardizing data on vehicle and pedestrian stops from law enforcement departments across the country — and we’re making that information freely available. We’ve already gathered over 200 million records from dozens of state and local police departments across the country.

Great work.

I would really like to know where the stops were--is this actually a discrepancy in traffic stops or is this really pretext stops looking for drug money to seize?

(Not to say pretext stops are a good thing, I'm just questioning what the data really means. It's well known that being black or latino without of state plates causes pretext stops.)

 

[none]

how about.... "decommission"?

We'd need something with some connotation of having some cops stay on the job.

Cori Bush on Twitter: "When Philando Castile was murdered by police at a traffic stop in 2016, Minnesota invested $12 million in police training.

Where was that training when they killed Daunte Wright just 10 miles from where Derek Chauvin sits on trial for murdering George Floyd?" / Twitter

Cori Bush on Twitter: "The 26-year-veteran cop, former president of the police union, doesn’t know the difference between a taser and a gun, and you say more training would’ve fixed this?

Nah. But I bet she would’ve known the difference if Daunte wasn’t a Black boy or if he was her loved one." / Twitter

employing cops is the objective?

 

[ZiprHead]

Court Vindicates Black Officer Fired for Stopping Colleague’s Chokehold
Cariol Horne acted to keep a white officer from using what she saw as excessive force. Fifteen years later, a judge said her firing was wrong.

It was a cold November day in Buffalo when Officer Cariol Horne responded to a call for a colleague in need of help. What she encountered was a white officer who appeared to be “in a rage” punching a handcuffed Black man in the face repeatedly as other officers stood by.

Officer Horne, who is Black, heard the handcuffed man say he could not breathe and saw the white officer put him in a chokehold. At that point, court documents show, she forcibly removed the white officer and began to trade blows with him.

In the altercation’s aftermath, Officer Horne was reassigned, hit with departmental charges and, eventually, fired just one year short of the 20 on the force she needed to collect her full pension. She tried, and failed, more than once to have the decision reversed as unfair.

 

[lpetrich]

As AOC likes to say, another word is possible. Consider this:
The Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect. It's a world away from the United States, where cops killed 1,092 people in 2016, according to figures compiled by The Guardian.

The Vast Majority of U.K. Police Don't Carry Guns. Here's Why.

London's Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect.

Starts by mentioning some recent terrorist incidents.

And yet more than 90 percent of the capital's police officers carry out their daily duties without a gun. Most rely on other tools to keep their city safe: canisters of mace, handcuffs, batons and occasionally stun-guns.

This is no accident.

The Metropolitan Police, which covers most of London, was founded in 1829 on the principle of "policing by consent" rather than by force.

Giving everyday police officers guns sends the wrong message to communities, so this thinking goes, and can actually cause more problems than it solves.

...
In the year up to March 2016, police in England and Wales only fired seven bullets. (Although these government figures do not include accidental shots, shooting out tires, or killing dangerous or injured animals.)

These officers fatally shot just five people during that period, according to British charity Inquest, which helps families after police-related deaths.

...
The Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect.

It's a world away from the United States, where cops killed 1,092 people in 2016, according to figures compiled by The Guardian.

According to US right-wing gun nuts, that can't be happening. But it does.

 

[SLD]

As AOC likes to say, another word is possible. Consider this:
The Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect. It's a world away from the United States, where cops killed 1,092 people in 2016, according to figures compiled by The Guardian.

The Vast Majority of U.K. Police Don't Carry Guns. Here's Why.

London's Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect.

Starts by mentioning some recent terrorist incidents.

And yet more than 90 percent of the capital's police officers carry out their daily duties without a gun. Most rely on other tools to keep their city safe: canisters of mace, handcuffs, batons and occasionally stun-guns.

This is no accident.

The Metropolitan Police, which covers most of London, was founded in 1829 on the principle of "policing by consent" rather than by force.

Giving everyday police officers guns sends the wrong message to communities, so this thinking goes, and can actually cause more problems than it solves.

...
In the year up to March 2016, police in England and Wales only fired seven bullets. (Although these government figures do not include accidental shots, shooting out tires, or killing dangerous or injured animals.)

These officers fatally shot just five people during that period, according to British charity Inquest, which helps families after police-related deaths.

...
The Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect.

It's a world away from the United States, where cops killed 1,092 people in 2016, according to figures compiled by The Guardian.

According to US right-wing gun nuts, that can't be happening. But it does.

Well, I agree. But the gun nuts in the United States have assured that confronting crime in the US is far more dangerous than in the UK. To get to this point in the US we’d need to get rid of the multitude of weapons floating around the US. Otherwise there’d just be a lot of dead cops.

 

[lpetrich]

Jury in Chauvin trial ends first day with no verdict - StarTribune.com

Derek Chauvin trial: SoCal leaders call for peaceful protest after verdict read - ABC7 Los Angeles - very contrary to what some right-wingers seem to believe about them. Seems like right-wingers are projecting their "Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill!" ideology onto them.


I like this:
Jamaal Bowman on Twitter: "Republicans want to defund every government program except for those that actively terrorize Black and brown people." / Twitter

 

[Jarhyn]

As AOC likes to say, another word is possible. Consider this:
The Metropolitan Police carried out some 3,300 deployments involving firearms in 2016. They didn't fire a single shot at a suspect. It's a world away from the United States, where cops killed 1,092 people in 2016, according to figures compiled by The Guardian.

Starts by mentioning some recent terrorist incidents.

According to US right-wing gun nuts, that can't be happening. But it does.

Well, I agree. But the gun nuts in the United States have assured that confronting crime in the US is far more dangerous than in the UK. To get to this point in the US we’d need to get rid of the multitude of weapons floating around the US. Otherwise there’d just be a lot of dead cops.

You assume people are far more ready to murder someone on camera than they would actually be. You also assume that doing so without stiff, nigh on immediate consequence would even be possible.

This is ridiculously stupid.

Disarm the cops, and you might see police death rates raise, but you could as easily see them fall seeing as then someone could not reasonably see a need to shoot some specific officer to protect their life or liberty. Well... I guess unless your name is George Floyd... But the only reason the crowd didn't intervene was the guns.

 

[Elixir]

Disarm the cops, and you might see police death rates raise, but you could as easily see them fall seeing as then someone could not reasonably see a need to shoot some specific officer to protect their life or liberty. Well... I guess unless your name is George Floyd... But the only reason the crowd didn't intervene was the guns.

I agree that disarming the cops would eventually lead to a greatly improved situation for all in the US.
Not gonna happen: there's too much money at stake.

 

[Jarhyn]

Disarm the cops, and you might see police death rates raise, but you could as easily see them fall seeing as then someone could not reasonably see a need to shoot some specific officer to protect their life or liberty. Well... I guess unless your name is George Floyd... But the only reason the crowd didn't intervene was the guns.

I agree that disarming the cops would eventually lead to a greatly improved situation for all in the US.
Not gonna happen: there's too much money at stake.

And let me note, I don't think that all cops should go into all situations unarmed. Just that the situations a cop walking around on the street may find themselves in warrant not being armed. Give them a body cam, hell even a monitor drone that can phone home and notify dispatch or even pop some glitter at a perp (taggant).

There's money there too, and fewer cadavers

 

[lpetrich]

And let me note, I don't think that all cops should go into all situations unarmed. Just that the situations a cop walking around on the street may find themselves in warrant not being armed. Give them a body cam, hell even a monitor drone that can phone home and notify dispatch or even pop some glitter at a perp (taggant).

Or something low-lethality like a Taser, with a regular gun as a backup, not as a primary weapon.

One must try to have good fail-safety, and IMO that means not using a gun right away.  Fail-safe is a long-recognize engineering criterion.

 

[ZiprHead]

An NYPD officer accused of plotting to have a 14-year-old killed out of jealousy just pleaded guilty to obstruction

The New York police officer was angry at her estranged husband and jealous of her boyfriend’s gifts to his 14-year-old daughter, prosecutors said. So she allegedly asked the boyfriend to hire a hit man to kill the husband — and his own child.

At one point, officials said, the veteran member of law enforcement wondered why the boyfriend could not do the deed himself.

“Valerie Cincinelli does what she wants,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Catherine Mirabile would tell a judge. “No one controls her. She knows how to get around the system.”

But this plan quickly went south, officials said, when the boyfriend revealed the plot to the FBI, allowing investigators to gather taped conversations between him and Cincinelli. In 2019, authorities faked her husband’s death to capture her reaction. That’s when Cincinelli tried to cover her tracks and the boyfriend’s by deleting phone data, authorities alleged. She was charged with obstruction of justice.

 

[blastula]

She still gets away with murder attempt.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You assume people are far more ready to murder someone on camera than they would actually be. You also assume that doing so without stiff, nigh on immediate consequence would even be possible.

This is ridiculously stupid.

Disarm the cops, and you might see police death rates raise, but you could as easily see them fall seeing as then someone could not reasonably see a need to shoot some specific officer to protect their life or liberty. Well... I guess unless your name is George Floyd... But the only reason the crowd didn't intervene was the guns.

Reality would like to have a word with you.

We've already seen a bit of what happens--BLM protests => cops are less proactive => crime goes up => nearly 1000 extra murders. The more you throttle the police the more people die.

 

[marc]

You assume people are far more ready to murder someone on camera than they would actually be. You also assume that doing so without stiff, nigh on immediate consequence would even be possible.

This is ridiculously stupid.

Disarm the cops, and you might see police death rates raise, but you could as easily see them fall seeing as then someone could not reasonably see a need to shoot some specific officer to protect their life or liberty. Well... I guess unless your name is George Floyd... But the only reason the crowd didn't intervene was the guns.

Reality would like to have a word with you.

We've already seen a bit of what happens--BLM protests => cops are less proactive => crime goes up => nearly 1000 extra murders. The more you throttle the police the more people die.

Slight clarification

Cops murder black people => black people protest => cops get less protective => extra murders

Aaaand your solution is cut out the protesting.

 

[lpetrich]

Let's see what happens when the races are reversed.

Chris Cuomo: Police reform comes when 'white people's kids start getting killed' - 2021 Apr 17 - New York Post

CNN anchor Chris Cuomo said gun laws and police reform will happen when “white people’s kids start getting killed.”

New York Post on Twitter: "Chris Cuomo: Police reform comes when 'white people's kids start getting killed' (links)" / Twitter

Abeer on Twitter: "In 2017, Minneapolis Police killed a white woman named Justine Ruszczyk. ..." / Twitter
2021 Apr 18

In 2017, Minneapolis Police killed a white woman named Justine Ruszczyk. The cop who killed her was Black.

He is the only cop in state history to be convicted. Minneapolis payed her family $20M, the largest misconduct payout in MN history at the time.

After she was killed, then-Mayor Hodges got rid of the police chief. Arradondo—who is currently chief—stepped in and instituted multiple “reforms” including mandating body cameras during *all calls & stops.*

A year later, MPD killed Thurman Blevins.

When white people are killed by police, the policing system may sacrifice something to quell tensions and satiate white appetites, such as reforms or judicial conviction.

But nothing fundamentally changes & the cycle does not break.

Last summer, we all watched the video of Buffalo PD shove that elder white man to the ground.

Buffalo PD still lied in their official statement about what happened. Two of them were suspended and all of their other cops resigned “in solidarity” with the two who were suspended.

Last year, many white people’s children were brutalized in the nationwide uprisings after MPD killed George Floyd. White people’s kids were run over by cop cars, pepper sprayed indiscriminately, arrested & shoved into unmarked vans, and more.

Nothing fundamentally changed.

Policing cannot fundamentally change because nothing seizes meaningful power & no one can force it onto them. They’re the most armed & protected force in the world, save the US military (who preserve and protect the same interests.)

We know nothing fundamentally changes, even when white kids are killed. So frankly, saying a statement like that is disturbing because all evidence points to it yielding the same result.

Defunding & disarming the police is the only option we have to break the cycle.

Centering your call for justice around white peoples’ appetites for trauma will leave the world disturbed and still fundamentally the same.

Maybe white folks should focus more on collecting their disgusting family members and less on begging for trauma porn.

Chris Cuomo’s brother has command over a police force larger & more armed than many nations’ armies combined. A force that kills Black and brown people—children—frequently and without any consequences breaking the cycle.

His brother’s also a creep and a bully. Focus on home.

That's NY Gov Andrew Cuomo.

 Shooting of Justine Damond

On July 15, 2017, Justine Damond (née Ruszczyk)[2] a 40-year-old Australian-American woman,[3] was fatally shot by 33-year-old Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer Mohamed Noor after she had called 9-1-1 to report the possible assault of a woman in an alley behind her house. Occurring weeks after a high-profile manslaughter trial acquittal in the 2016 police shooting of Philando Castile, also in the Twin Cities metro area, the shooting exacerbated existing tensions and attracted national and international press.[4]

On March 20, 2018, Noor was charged with second-degree manslaughter and third-degree murder. Noor claimed self defense. Prosecutors later upgraded the charges against Noor to second-degree intentional murder. In April 2019, Noor was convicted of third-degree murder and manslaughter, but acquitted of intentional second-degree murder.[5] In June 2019, Noor was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison.[6] Damond's family brought a civil lawsuit against the City of Minneapolis alleging violation of Damond's civil rights, which the city settled for US$20 million.[7][6]

Ex-Officer Sentenced To 12 1/2 Year For Killing Justine Ruszczyk Damond : NPR

 

[ZiprHead]

Virginia Cop Fired After Donating $25 To Kyle Rittenhouse Defense With Note: ‘You’ve Done Nothing Wrong’

A high-ranking police officer from Norfolk, Virginia, was fired after donating to a defense fund for Kyle Rittenhouse and telling the teenager—who has been charged with killing two people during unrest in Wisconsin last summer—that he did “nothing wrong,” a city official announced Tuesday.

The donation from Sgt. William Kelly, the second highest-ranking official in the Norfolk Police Department’s internal affairs division, was made public through a security breath(sic) of the Christian crowdfunding site GiveSendGo.

Originally reported by The Guardian, Kelly made the $25 anonymous donation with a note of support for Rittenhouse, saying “every rank and file police officer supports you.”

Kelly was fired from his job this week, Norfolk City Manager Chip Filer said in a statement, announcing that both he and Police Chief Larry Boon had agreed the officer violated city and departmental policies with the “egregious comments.”

“A police department cannot do its job when the public loses trust with those whose duty is to serve and protect them,” Chief Boone said in a statement to local residents after the decision was announced.

The former officer, who had been with the Norfolk Police Department for 18 years, according to LinkedIn, was initially reassigned to another division pending the results of an administrative investigation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You assume people are far more ready to murder someone on camera than they would actually be. You also assume that doing so without stiff, nigh on immediate consequence would even be possible.

This is ridiculously stupid.

Disarm the cops, and you might see police death rates raise, but you could as easily see them fall seeing as then someone could not reasonably see a need to shoot some specific officer to protect their life or liberty. Well... I guess unless your name is George Floyd... But the only reason the crowd didn't intervene was the guns.

Reality would like to have a word with you.

We've already seen a bit of what happens--BLM protests => cops are less proactive => crime goes up => nearly 1000 extra murders. The more you throttle the police the more people die.

Slight clarification

Cops murder black people => black people protest => cops get less protective => extra murders

Aaaand your solution is cut out the protesting.

I'm pointing out the effect of less policing. It doesn't matter why there is less policing, the result would be the same.

 

[Trausti]

Slight clarification

Cops murder black people => black people protest => cops get less protective => extra murders

Aaaand your solution is cut out the protesting.

I'm pointing out the effect of less policing. It doesn't matter why there is less policing, the result would be the same.

Of course, the people cops interact with and sometimes kill are usually those with anti-social tendencies. Less policing lets the those with anti-social tendencies do what they do; victimize others. But that sort of narrative isn't very lucrative.

 

[none]

Slight clarification

Cops murder black people => black people protest => cops get less protective => extra murders

Aaaand your solution is cut out the protesting.

I'm pointing out the effect of less policing. It doesn't matter why there is less policing, the result would be the same.

Of course, the people cops interact with and sometimes kill are usually those with anti-social tendencies. Less policing lets the those with anti-social tendencies do what they do; victimize others. But that sort of narrative isn't very lucrative.

lol, no science. no data.