Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Well, I just read a long thread and learned nothing of value... again...
Did you at least get the free t-shirt?
Well, I just read a long thread and learned nothing of value... again...
No.
Officers are trained to back up their partner. That's what she did.
Regardless of what she was thinking, that wasn't the time for a "You shouldn't do this. We're all gonna regret it." lecture.
Tom
That's what Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng, and Thomas Lane thought. You see where that got them.
Edit: Link for reference.
Well, neither of them should have been cuffed.Utter nonsense. Of course if one child was cuffed, the other one could have cuffed as well. In fact, if that had happened, I suspect there would have been no OP about this.What? Each cop attended to one of the two boys. The male cop could not treat each boy equally after the fight was broken up and neither could the female cop.Why was she wrong to assist her partner?
Because her partner was violating someone's civil rights by not treating them equally.![]()
The difference is that the incident at the NJ mall took place in a much shorter period of time compared with the incident with George Floyd. Thao et all had minutes to assess the situation, evaluate Chauvin’s actions and their own as well Floyd’s condition. The amount of time it took George Floyd to die plus a couple of minutes.No.
Officers are trained to back up their partner. That's what she did.
Regardless of what she was thinking, that wasn't the time for a "You shouldn't do this. We're all gonna regret it." lecture.
Tom
As I've mentioned earlier in this thread
That's what Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng, and Thomas Lane thought. You see where that got them.
Edit: Link for reference.
The difference is that the incident at the NJ mall took place in a much shorter period of time compared with the incident with George Floyd. Thao et all had minutes to assess the situation, evaluate Chauvin’s actions and their own as well Floyd’s condition. The amount of time it took George Floyd to die plus a couple of minutes.No.
Officers are trained to back up their partner. That's what she did.
Regardless of what she was thinking, that wasn't the time for a "You shouldn't do this. We're all gonna regret it." lecture.
Tom
As I've mentioned earlier in this thread
That's what Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng, and Thomas Lane thought. You see where that got them.
Edit: Link for reference.
No, we are reacting to the vast difference in how the two boys were treated.It seems to me that no action the female cop could have taken would please anybody on the thread. She was praised for not being rough with Franco and for not cuffing him. Now you are hinting that she was foolish not to have cuffed him.And suspects never change their minds about being cooperative.
What article have you read that discusses what happens after the video ended?Metaphor, this is not only about how the police engaged the teens it's also about them letting one teen go and detaining the other.
One suspect is cuffed and the other is not. Both are subdued. There was plenty of effing time to discuss how they were going to treat the two suspects. Really, how fucking hard is this to understand?So you are arguing that these officers were aware of the other's mind and actions, and deliberately agreed to cuff one suspect and not the other.
No.
Officers are trained to back up their partner. That's what she did.
Regardless of what she was thinking, that wasn't the time for a "You shouldn't do this. We're all gonna regret it." lecture.
Tom
Got it. I was only referencing what was shown on the video linked here. I should have also considered what happened after the video.The difference is that the incident at the NJ mall took place in a much shorter period of time compared with the incident with George Floyd. Thao et all had minutes to assess the situation, evaluate Chauvin’s actions and their own as well Floyd’s condition. The amount of time it took George Floyd to die plus a couple of minutes.No.
Officers are trained to back up their partner. That's what she did.
Regardless of what she was thinking, that wasn't the time for a "You shouldn't do this. We're all gonna regret it." lecture.
Tom
As I've mentioned earlier in this thread
That's what Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng, and Thomas Lane thought. You see where that got them.
Edit: Link for reference.
They held the black one for around 30 minutes and according to Joseph they didn't hold him at all. The similarity here is not about the length of time, the reference I was making was to officers who "just do their job" while another officer is breaking the law will be held responsible for it regardless of what people on this message board think.
Are you talking about the video?One suspect is cuffed and the other is not. Both are subdued. There was plenty of effing time to discuss how they were going to treat the two suspects. Really, how fucking hard is this to understand?
Afterwards, one child remained cuffed and the other was never cuffed. If both had ended up uncuffed, I doubt there'd have been an OP about this.Are you talking about the video?One suspect is cuffed and the other is not. Both are subdued. There was plenty of effing time to discuss how they were going to treat the two suspects. Really, how fucking hard is this to understand?
Or all the other claims made about what happened afterwards? The difference is important.
Tom
We do, too, know.The male officer’s response was to grapple with the boy he was dealing with, shove him face down and to cuff him. Whether he would have dealt with Franco in the same manner: throw him face down and cuff him is a matter of conjecture. We don’t know.
This. The "white" teen was clearly not a threat, there was no reason to do more.He's there next to her with his wrists out to be cuffed. No one in their right mind would think she is considering risk of injury to herself or the teen at that point. Likewise, even after the Black teen is cuffed and the male officer is free to assist or detain the other, neither she implicitly accepts such assistance to cuff the teen nor the male officer initiates cuffing the other teen.
The black teen was obviously not a threat, either.This. The "white" teen was clearly not a threat, there was no reason to do more.He's there next to her with his wrists out to be cuffed. No one in their right mind would think she is considering risk of injury to herself or the teen at that point. Likewise, even after the Black teen is cuffed and the male officer is free to assist or detain the other, neither she implicitly accepts such assistance to cuff the teen nor the male officer initiates cuffing the other teen.
Neither teen was a threat, as far as I could tell from the video.. The "white" teen was clearly not a threat, there was no reason to do more.
I don't think we have enough to judge how the black teen would have reacted if not cuffed.The black teen was obviously not a threat, either.This. The "white" teen was clearly not a threat, there was no reason to do more.He's there next to her with his wrists out to be cuffed. No one in their right mind would think she is considering risk of injury to herself or the teen at that point. Likewise, even after the Black teen is cuffed and the male officer is free to assist or detain the other, neither she implicitly accepts such assistance to cuff the teen nor the male officer initiates cuffing the other teen.
I will mention that the white teen did NOT remain seated but got up and moved towards the two officers and the teen on the floor. I cannot help but think that if the white teen had been black and had gotten up from where he had been sat down and moved towards the officers, we would be having an entirely different kind of thread and responses. I wonder if either teen would still be alive.
What I see in the video is a male cop way overreacting
*BSOD*I don't think we have enough to judge how the black teen would have reacted if not cuffed.The black teen was obviously not a threat, either.This. The "white" teen was clearly not a threat, there was no reason to do more.He's there next to her with his wrists out to be cuffed. No one in their right mind would think she is considering risk of injury to herself or the teen at that point. Likewise, even after the Black teen is cuffed and the male officer is free to assist or detain the other, neither she implicitly accepts such assistance to cuff the teen nor the male officer initiates cuffing the other teen.
I will mention that the white teen did NOT remain seated but got up and moved towards the two officers and the teen on the floor. I cannot help but think that if the white teen had been black and had gotten up from where he had been sat down and moved towards the officers, we would be having an entirely different kind of thread and responses. I wonder if either teen would still be alive.
The way Joseph tells it, he was trying to prevent a fight from happening last Saturday at the Bridgewater Commons mall.
Instead, he ended up in a brawl that was caught on video and then went viral because it showed two Bridgewater police officers handcuffing only the other teen in the fight, who is Black.
Joseph, 15, is Colombian and Pakistani and says he’s “not white.” He has been referred to on social media and in some news reports as “white” because he has light colored skin. The high school sophomore said once he saw cops put the other teen, Kye, into handcuffs, he offered himself up to be detained, too.
Each officer grabbed a teen. The male officer took the Kye to the ground while the female officer sat Joseph on a couch before she assisted the other officer. Video shows Joseph offering his wrists to the officers to cuff. But he said they never did.
“I knew that was really bad,” Joseph said of the way officers handled the other teen. “I even offered to get handcuffed, I offered to get detained after Kye was detained, and they turned my offer down. I even asked they why they detained Kye and not me, and they said because Kye was resisting.”
The incident garnered responses from Gov. Phil Murphy, who said he was “deeply disturbed by what appears to be racially disparate treatment,” and acting state Attorney General Matthew Platkin, who reminded police about a directive banning “racially-influenced policing in New Jersey.
The police officers’ conduct is under investigation by the Somerset County Prosecutor’s Office.
The NAACP-NJ State Conference called on the department to remove the two officers involved in the incident pending the investigation.
Joseph said he hasn’t spoken with Kye since the fight. He also said he’s bothered by being labeled as a bully by Simms and Ben Crump, a civil rights attorney that Kye’s family has retained.
Since the fight, Joseph said, he’s been receiving ugly messages from people on social media. He’s been called a “racist white teen,” among other things, he said.
“Basically, people saying, ‘I know who you are, you better watch your back.’ There was one saying I should just kill myself,” Joseph said.
Both teens were banned from the mall for three years. Joseph had a job at the AMC movie theater in the mall, but said he now can’t work because of the ban. He believes the ban length was excessive for both he and Kye.
“Everyone goes to the mall, so I can’t hang out with a lot of people anymore,” he said.