People keep trying to resurrect the most murderous religion the world has ever seen
Hands down, far and away Christianity and Nazi fascism.
Quit trying to pretend it's not.
"it's"?!? Christianity and Nazi fascism aren't an "it"; they're two religions. You're lumping them together in the hope of getting to a comparable scale. But it doesn't make sense to -- if the Nazi atrocities had been motivated by Christian zeal then Jews would have been able to save themselves by converting, as happened when Spain decided to get rid of its Jews in the 1400s. The Nazi fascists didn't give a damn what religion its victims were because Nazism was about race and nationalism, not God.
In any event, Mao outmurdered Hitler all by himself. If you want to claim Christianity outmurdered Stalin plus Lenin plus Kim Il Sung plus Pol Pot, show your work.
Of course, what else do you have? You don't want to be expected to share.
You're really bad at modeling other minds. You know this about yourself, so you really ought to take it into account when you're tempted to make malicious accusations.
Body count on the order of 10% of communism's.
How many?
Expanding the discussion beyond murder in hope of inflating the numbers, are you? Good luck with that -- communists were enthusiastic torturers too.
And the Viet Minh tied class enemies ten or twenty at a time into immobilized balls of human and rolled them into the Mekong to drown.
You are justifying these things.
You are making false damaging claims about me with malice and reckless disregard for the truth. You do not have an intellectually honest reason to believe I'm justifying these things. You might as well claim Lee Harvey Oswald killed more people than Gavrilo Princip, and then when I point out he didn't, accuse me of "justifying the Kennedy assassination". You're being ridiculous. A plague on communists, Nazis, crusaders, jihadis, and Mongol Hordes alike. And a plague on any Republicans and Democrats who are okay with one or another of the above -- a plague on both your houses.
And you can't just look at the body count, I think you have to look at it as a percentage of the world population at the time, especially in the regions it happened.
If you want to scale by world population I think Islam takes top honors -- Tamerlane murdered some 5% of the population of the world.
You are trying to justify them immediately because you fear that decades down the line, sharing will cause damage despite you saying, all the way to a Nazi hellscape, that we're overreacting!
See above re you being really bad at modeling other minds.
Of course the "communists" were fascists just like the Nazis;
Of course they were -- those are the same ideology, just with a different minority group to blame for all our troubles.
The word "fascism" means "strength through unity". Fascists want each person to submerge his individuality and march to the beat of the same drummer as the rest of the collective, so the collective won't be weakened by internal division and will therefore win its struggle against other collectives. It's why free speech is the first casualty of collectivists. Opposing fascists isn't enough to make you anti fascism -- an awful lot of people who think they're antifascist because they're against some set of fasces are simply members of some different set of fasces.
they fought on the same side of the war largely for the same reasons with the same intentions: exterminating culturally inconvenient groups of people who felt they had rights to exist and which the administration did not want to.
They fought on the same side because Stalin was an idiot who thought Hitler would keep his promises and just give him half of Poland.
Of course, you want to pretend "both sides".
It just doesn't exist.
What you are confusing as Communism is really more just "royalism/fascism" and calling it communism,
Yeah, yeah, we've heard, whatever came before was never real communism so its murders are no reproach against the arrogant assholes trying to rerun the experiment for the umpteenth time. We've been assured the new guys are planning to give us the real thing and not the old fake. Are you the world's worst suckers, or do you just think the rest of us are? When political leaders who want to abolish private property and seize the means of production do so, the result is usually a famine and always a murderous police state, whether they call that communism or not, and whether you call that communism or not. A sewer by any other name smells as sweet.
At any rate, I don't see Mamdani seeking the deaths of political opponents
No, he's merely seeking the enactment of a policy he knows has often been enacted in the past and has always caused the deaths of political opponents, so he is evidently okay with that.
and you don't have to elect or support ... Nazis to prevent nationalization of stuff.
And I don't support them, and you don't have an honorable reason to keep insinuating that I do. A plague on both your houses. And before you charge whataboutism, note that I was perfectly content to let you guys enjoy your Republican-trash-fest in peace, but you chose to drag me into a thread that was nothing to do with me and put words in my mouth. So if you don't like getting corrected, that's looks like a you-problem.
You want a plague on your own house? Takes all kinds, I guess.
If it were true he "stands to the center of European politics" then that would be sad commentary on the state of European politics; but your claim is absurd. If he were at the center then that would necessarily mean over half the European electorate want to abolish private property, seize the means of production, and elect communists or somebody even further left. If the voters wanted that they'd have it.
