Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

[George S]

Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

He is proposing the Fair God. Ultimate Justice. Each and every conscious sin, no mere technicality, is punished one by one. Perfect measure for measure. No more nor less than just. and then, after a finite time, Heaven.
So what, Dear Pope, is the point of joining your church? Are you selling tickets that avoid justice? Such a God, being perfectly Just, judges measure for measure. He reads your mind and knows your intent in every act. You, too, might be found out.
Or have you lost your faith? Um, John 14:6. "I am the Way ... No One ... except through Me" Imperfect Justice, yes. A free ticket. And so to be rejected if there is a Fair God. The God of perfect Justice.

If I am right in my belief and I've found my own rewards in this life. When I've died ... I've done all I could; it was the best that I was able to. And I am at peace. Fini. Remembering what it was like before I was conceived.

Or Heaven. Well, let's see. I wouldn't want to be given the straight dope of tickling the pleasure center in the brain. I would not want omniscience; I love to learn. And interact with others like me. Dead People, like me. Others to know and interact with. Things to be investigated. Puzzles to solve. Just like here. Just continuing for as long as I am able to. Doing what I must. Heaven for me. Fini.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

From here I suppose.

 

[hinduwoman]

Now that is cultural appropriation all right! It is simply a dressing up of Karma in christian theology, minus rebirth angle.

 

[braces_for_impact]

His handlers walked that shit back pretty quickly as I recall.

 

[Angry Floof]

Oh for fuck's sake, are we going to hell or not??

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Oh for fuck's sake, are we going to hell or not??

It's this sort of confusion that causes line ups at the Pearly Gates. When someone who's been a good Catholic boy all his life is looking forward to finally enjoying his final reward, it's really fucking annoying that he needs to stand there and wait while St Peter huddles with the lawyers and tries to figure out what to do with the atheist who's infront of him.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I have a time-share set up in hell. I plan to get Janis Joplin's autograph first thing. Seriously, you want to go to some gated community where Jerry Falwell is still farting (excuse me, speaking) his company line and shmoozing with Jebus?? Where you have to see Tammy Faye again (presumably restored to her old 1980's appearance)? Plus there's one mean bitch of an aunt that I don't wanna see again in any lifetime. See you in hell, ever'body!!

 

[thebeave]

It's so obvious that the popes just make shit up as they go along, and why the devoted masses don't see this nonsense is beyond me. Whether its the Catholic stance on gays, heaven and hell, purgatory, evolution/creation, Vatican II versus pre-Vatican II, it all changes at the whim of the pope and his minions.

 

[Underseer]

And I think left-handed people get magical invisible cookies every time an elf farts.

It seems useless to speculate on what does or does not happen in a magical spirit realm for which there is no evidence. The pope might as well speculate on social conventions within bigfoot society.

 

[bilby]

And I think left-handed people get magical invisible cookies every time an elf farts.

It seems useless to speculate on what does or does not happen in a magical spirit realm for which there is no evidence. The pope might as well speculate on social conventions within bigfoot society.

Well, to be fair to his holiness, you don't get a big palace crammed with priceless artwork and a gold throne for pontificating about Bigfoot.

So he's probably chosen the right general topic for his bullshitting, as he appears to pretty much have everything (except the noble poverty he is paid to promote).

If there is better evidence anywhere of the effectiveness of unabashed hypocrisy than the Roman Catholic Church, I have yet to see it. They hardly even bother pretending to believe the bullshit; they just make paying lip service to it a prerequisite for continuing membership of their gang, and plenty of people are happy to oblige.

 

[funinspace]

Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

He is proposing the Fair God. Ultimate Justice. Each and every conscious sin, no mere technicality, is punished one by one. Perfect measure for measure. No more nor less than just. and then, after a finite time, Heaven.
So what, Dear Pope, is the point of joining your church? Are you selling tickets that avoid justice? Such a God, being perfectly Just, judges measure for measure. He reads your mind and knows your intent in every act. You, too, might be found out.
Or have you lost your faith? Um, John 14:6. "I am the Way ... No One ... except through Me" Imperfect Justice, yes. A free ticket. And so to be rejected if there is a Fair God. The God of perfect Justice.

If the Pope didn't have a retraction/clarification on this, he is simply joining a large minority of Christian peoples of (near) Universalism. The Bible is a potpori of things and ideas, and oft conflicting or confusing. On the Universalism page of the Biblical Cafeteria menu are quite a few other verses. This link seems to be a decent collection in support of this strain:
https://jefffig.wordpress.com/tag/bible-verses-support-universalism/

 

[Underseer]

And I think left-handed people get magical invisible cookies every time an elf farts.

It seems useless to speculate on what does or does not happen in a magical spirit realm for which there is no evidence. The pope might as well speculate on social conventions within bigfoot society.

Well, to be fair to his holiness, you don't get a big palace crammed with priceless artwork and a gold throne for pontificating about Bigfoot.

So he's probably chosen the right general topic for his bullshitting, as he appears to pretty much have everything (except the noble poverty he is paid to promote).

If there is better evidence anywhere of the effectiveness of unabashed hypocrisy than the Roman Catholic Church, I have yet to see it. They hardly even bother pretending to believe the bullshit; they just make paying lip service to it a prerequisite for continuing membership of their gang, and plenty of people are happy to oblige.

Really? You can't think of a better example of hypocrisy? At the very least, you should be able to think of many, many equal examples of hypocrisy.

Conservatives don't believe in free government handouts, that is why all those conservative "activists" are up in Oregon threatening to shoot police if they don't get free food for their cattle.

Conservatives believe in the sanctity of life more than you believe in the sanctity of life, and that is why they shoot abortion doctors and set fire to clinics while human beings are still in it.

Conservatives believe in small government, that is why they want to regulate vaginas.

Conservatives want to let Syrian refugees starve by the hundreds of thousands because Muslims are morally inferior.

Ted Cruz practically started the birther movement, which is now destroying his political career.

If we talk about the sexual shenanigans of the "family values" conservatives, we would be here all day.

Cripes, you have to try hard to not think of equally bad examples.

 

[bilby]

Well, to be fair to his holiness, you don't get a big palace crammed with priceless artwork and a gold throne for pontificating about Bigfoot.

So he's probably chosen the right general topic for his bullshitting, as he appears to pretty much have everything (except the noble poverty he is paid to promote).

If there is better evidence anywhere of the effectiveness of unabashed hypocrisy than the Roman Catholic Church, I have yet to see it. They hardly even bother pretending to believe the bullshit; they just make paying lip service to it a prerequisite for continuing membership of their gang, and plenty of people are happy to oblige.

Really? You can't think of a better example of hypocrisy? At the very least, you should be able to think of many, many equal examples of hypocrisy.

Conservatives don't believe in free government handouts, that is why all those conservative "activists" are up in Oregon threatening to shoot police if they don't get free food for their cattle.

Conservatives believe in the sanctity of life more than you believe in the sanctity of life, and that is why they shoot abortion doctors and set fire to clinics while human beings are still in it.

Conservatives believe in small government, that is why they want to regulate vaginas.

Conservatives want to let Syrian refugees starve by the hundreds of thousands because Muslims are morally inferior.

Ted Cruz practically started the birther movement, which is now destroying his political career.

If we talk about the sexual shenanigans of the "family values" conservatives, we would be here all day.

Cripes, you have to try hard to not think of equally bad examples.

Sure, hypocrisy is commonplace. But for evidence of its effectiveness, nothing in the US comes close to the RCC.

The US conservative movement is at most 500 years old, and that's stretching a point, given that the US itself is less than half that age; while the RCC has been successful at hypocrisy since at least 1500 years ago.

Your American hypocrites haven't had time to demonstrate that kind of staying power yet.

 

[hinduwoman]

It is not the american conservative's fault. Scientific revolution came before them.

 

[fast]

Oh for fuck's sake, are we going to hell or not??

Yes, you for your beliefs and me for my deeds.

Wait, I still have a chance, but then again, so do you.

I still have some very bad things planned, and you're not changing your views anytime soon, so maybe we'll be talked about in that huddle Tom was talking about.

 

[Angry Floof]

Oh for fuck's sake, are we going to hell or not??

Yes, you for your beliefs and me for my deeds.

Wait, I still have a chance, but then again, so do you.

I still have some very bad things planned, and you're not changing your views anytime soon, so maybe we'll be talked about in that huddle Tom was talking about.

Good. Keep the crazies busy being confused about what to do with me and I will meantime party down in hell with all my friends and scientists and David Bowie.

 

[rousseau]

The Christian church is literally the most successful organization in history, with billions of customers. That's more than Facebook, and those customers even willingly pay a fee for the church's service.

If you take the charge out of religion and group the Christian Church in with any other corporation, it's fun to watch them adapt to their looming irrelevancy. They're like a company whose technology became obsolete too fast, except instead of out-dated tech, it's outdated philosophy.

The one thing we can't expect is for them to self-implode. Eventually people will just stop giving them money.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

People are so gullible and credulous. Many billions need someone like Frankie to tell them what is and isn't okay. Meanwhile the Frankies make a killing.

I like his style, though.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I get that you're trying to be the good Pope and all, but at least tell the truth about what your religion says. I mean, you're the Pope, you're supposed to know your shit.

 

[Angry Floof]

I get that you're trying to be the good Pope and all, but at least tell the truth about what your religion says. I mean, you're the Pope, you're supposed to know your shit.

Every now and then I get the feeling that this pope might be secretly planning on bringing the whole institution down. Like maybe he became disillusioned a long time ago and realized that it's all just depraved shit, but rather than quit and speak out, decided, "hey, it's possible I could move way up in this organization one day, high enough to take it out big time. Maybe I'll just keep feeding the poor and playing along with the religious bullshit until I get my chance."