Project 2025

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is what I don't understand. The uberwealthy run everything already. Why do they want to get rid of democracy, or at least the facade of it?

There is always more power, less restriction, more money, and more control to be had. Why else would the Vatican still exist? That place hasn't been about Jesus or anything remotely about Jesus for over a Millennium (ever?)!

Some of these uber wealthy folk are also bad hombres, who are racist / misogynistic to the tilt. Their egos and wealth provide them the path to seek making the nation in their glorious image of how the nation should be.

 

[BH]

This is what I don't understand. The uberwealthy run everything already. Why do they want to get rid of democracy, or at least the facade of it?

There is always more power, less restriction, more money, and more control to be had. Why else would the Vatican still exist? That place hasn't been about Jesus or anything remotely about Jesus for over a Millennium (ever?)!

Some of these uber wealthy folk are also bad hombres, who are racist / misogynistic to the tilt. Their egos and wealth provide them the path to seek making the nation in their glorious image of how the nation should be.

Yeah.

The problem as I see it is that many on the center left or uber left or even traditional conservative are trying to deal with this through reason and logic. It doesn't work because we are not dealing with people who are willing to be reasonable and logical. They are smart enough to make lots of money but otherwise just following instincts, instincts that tell them to dominate and get more, The government is going to have to get physical with them like hurt them physically or financially or both to make them stop. Then the government is going to have to have to watch them constantly.

 

[Elixir]

many on the center left or uber left or even traditional conservative are trying to deal with this through reason and logic. It doesn't work because we are not dealing with people who are willing to be reasonable and logical.

Hence Harris’ lightning start out of the gate. She smiles, and stirs emotions by painting an imaginary bright future, instead of an imaginary doom, revenge and bloodbath future. It’s an emotional offering, not a rational one. But she is able to dress it up in the trappings of logic and reason, while Trump can only offer a Cruel and Stupid Fear sauce to spice up his dish of darkness. He definitely can attract fellow sadists to his table, but few others.

 

[lpetrich]

I decided on "Unser Kampf" ("Our Struggle") because the authors of "Unhumans" think of themselves as part of a movement, but if it was Donald Trump writing that book, he would prefer "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle") because he would think that he deserves all the credit for leadership.

 

[bilby]

I decided on "Unser Kampf" ("Our Struggle") because the authors of "Unhumans" think of themselves as part of a movement, but if it was Donald Trump writing that book, he would prefer "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle") because he would think that he deserves all the credit for leadership.

Isn't he supposed to be writing it from prison?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is what I don't understand. The uberwealthy run everything already. Why do they want to get rid of democracy, or at least the facade of it?

They don't have the degree of control they want.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I decided on "Unser Kampf" ("Our Struggle") because the authors of "Unhumans" think of themselves as part of a movement, but if it was Donald Trump writing that book, he would prefer "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle") because he would think that he deserves all the credit for leadership.

Isn't he supposed to be writing it from prison?

No. He would hire a ghost writer and then likely not pay them.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Book with ties to Project 2025 and JD Vance delayed until after the election - "Project 2025 has provided ample fodder for Democratic attacks on Trump, linking him to its most incendiary policy proposals and ideas to remake the federal government."

Original NYT link: Opinion | JD Vance Just Blurbed a Book Arguing That Progressives Are Subhuman - The New York Times

 Unhumans - "Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions (and How to Crush Them)"

Publisher's page: Unhumans "The Secret History of Communist Revolutions (and How to Crush Them)" by right-wingers Jack Posobiec, Joshua Lisec, and Steve Bannon

For nearly 250 years, far-left uprisings have followed the same battle plans—from the first call for change to last innocent executed, from denial a revolution is even happening to declaration of the new order. Unhumans takes readers on a shocking, sweeping, and succinct journey through history to share the untold stories of radical takeovers that textbooks don't teach.

And there is one conclusion: We're in a new revolution right now.

But this is not a book about ideology or politics. Unhumans reveals that communism, socialism, Marxism, and all other radical-isms are not philosophies but tactics—tactics that are specifically designed to unleash terror on everyday people and revoke their human rights to life, liberty, and property. These are the forces of unhumanity. This is what they do. Every. Single. Time. Unhumans steals their playbook, breaks apart their strategies piece by piece, and lays out the tactics of what it takes to fight back—and win, using real-world examples.

with reviews that include

“In the past, communists marched in the streets waving red flags. Today, they march through HR, college campuses, and courtrooms to wage lawfare against good, honest people. In Unhumans, Jack Posobiec and Joshua Lisec reveal their plans and show us what to do to fight back.”
—J. D. Vance, Senator (R-OH)

“The far Left murdered 100 million people in the twentieth century and have repeatedly shown that they will stop at nothing to achieve their totalitarian goals. They have torn down countless societies using a sophisticated playbook of propaganda. The only way to stop them in the future is to use their own subversive playbook against them. Unhumans reveals that playbook and teaches us how to deploy it immediately to save the West.”
—Donald Trump, Jr.

“With beauty, rhythm, and prose more often seen in fiction, Unhumans is a breakneck adventure through millennia of human history. Posobiec and Lisec guide the reader through Ancient Rome, Maoist China, Franco’s Spain, and more as they chronicle the awesome and ancient battle between civilization and uncivilization, humans and unhumans. Placing the current culture war in historical perspective, Unhumans teaches readers to combat the tyrannical forces that have crumbled empires—and that have come for our own.”
—Dr. Peter Boghossian

Also by Tucker Carlson, Lt. Gen., USA (Ret.) Michael T. Flynn, obert Stacy McCain, The American Spectator

Totally no difference between the left and right wing. They're both the same. (Sarcasm)

We have absolutely nothing to fear from another Trump term. (Sarcasm)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

From Reddit:

Project 2025 simplified.

The greediest billionaires will be in charge of your work life.
And the craziest Christan fundies will be charge of your sex life.
Everyone's good with that right?
Oh, and we'll be trashing the Constitution and ending American democracy.

 

[bilby]

America barely has democracy, and democracy ain't what it's cracked up to be anyway - this is the system that brought us Donald Trump as President.

The thing that sets the free world apart from the rest (both geographically and historically) isn't voting; It's ridicule.

Any society, no matter how undemocratic, wherein ridicule of the people in power is routine and unremarkable, and wherein it would never even occur to an ordinary citizen that being rude, crude, cruel, or even bellicose, about the nation's leaders might land them in trouble with the authorities, is a free society.

Conversely, no matter how wide the franchise, nor how proportional the representation of the voters, any nation wherein telling a rude joke about the leaders, or calling them out for their failures (real or imagined), leads people to feel concerned about possible retaliation or sanction, is not a free country.

In shithole countries, people fear their leaders; In free countries, leaders fear their people. Elections are barely relevant; They provide one mechanism by which the people might engender that fear, but it's far from the only one.

The first sign of dictatorship is sanctions against comedians.

Indeed, I would like to see a background in stand-up, or similar a comedy role, as a minimum requirement for entry into politics at any level. A leader who can't laugh, particularly at his own expense, is a very dangerous thing.

 

[Elixir]

I would like to see a background in stand-up, or similar a comedy role, as a minimum requirement for entry into politics at any level.

So you’ve swallowed Zelenskyy’s Nazi Comic Propaganda, eh?
/babs

 

[bilby]

I would like to see a background in stand-up, or similar a comedy role, as a minimum requirement for entry into politics at any level.

So you’ve swallowed Zelenskyy’s Nazi Comic Propaganda, eh?
/babs

It's noticable that in any war with a clear division between the morality of the two sides, the "good guys" are the ones whose leader(s) have an identifiable sense of humour.

Zelenskyy was famously a professional comedian, but if you look at Winston Churchill (for example), you find that his witty comments are famous (or infamous, to those on the recieving end).

Lincoln was reknowned for his jokes. As was Kennedy, who opened one of the meetings during the Cuban Missile Crisis by saying “Well, I hope you all realize that there isn’t enough room in the White House Bunker for all of us.” Dark humour in severe adversity is a hugely desirable leadership trait; It allows fear to motivate, rather than paralyse.

By contrast, dictators and theocrats are practically defined by humourlessness, and often responded violently to being even mildly mocked or ridiculed.

 

[marc]

Propublica has gotten copies of a bunch of Project 2025 training videos. There are hours of video so it will likely take time for good summaries come out. I got about half way through the "Left-Wing Code Words and Language" one, which claims 'reproductive healthcare' is code for abortions, and part of an agenda for population reduction.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I would bet good money that there's a Project 2025 Prequel, by whatever title...a scheme to get Trump into the White House. Start with red and purple states -- any state with a GOP election certification officer -- not certifying the vote on bogus claims of fraud in metro areas, all to throw the election into the House of Reps. If the House puts him in, SCOTUS will of course be no remedy for the steal.
I do not put anything past the Republicans. They have shown their hand over and over in the past 8 years.
That's my prediction for Nov/Dec. I dread making it, but it makes sense with the present GOP.

 

[starwater]

He also seems to have an alternate reality going - the weird helicopter story and now he wants to protect Hillary from chants...

Of course different day different fiction

 

[lpetrich]

Yup. Inside Project 2025’s Secret Training Videos — ProPublica

The Project 2025 videos coach future appointees on everything from the nuts and bolts of governing to how to outwit bureaucrats. There are strategies for avoiding embarrassing Freedom of Information Act disclosures and ensuring that conservative policies aren’t struck down by “left-wing judges.” Some of the content is routine advice that any incoming political appointee might be told. Other segments of the training offer guidance on radically changing how the federal government works and what it does.

One former Trump staffer, Bethany Kozma, says that the climate-change movement is an effort to “control people.” So John Birch. “If the American people elect a conservative president, his administration will have to eradicate climate change references from absolutely everywhere,” she says.

Not surprisingly, she considers the idea of gender fluidity "evil".

The Biden Admin created gender-adviser positions, to “advance equal rights and opportunities, regardless of gender or gender identity.” But Katie Sullivan says, “That position has to be eradicated, as well as all the task forces, the removal of all the equity plans from all the websites, and a complete rework of the language in internal and external policy documents and grant applications.”

"A review of the training videos shows that 29 of the 36 speakers have worked for Trump in some capacity — on his 2016-17 transition team, in the administration or on his 2024 reelection campaign." So much for DT's disavowals of that project.

One video, titled “Hidden Meanings: The Monsters in the Attic,” is a 50-minute discussion of supposed left-wing code words and biased language that future appointees should be aware of and root out. In that video, Kozma says that U.S. intelligence agencies have named climate change as an increasingly dire threat to global stability, which, she says, illustrates how the issue “has infiltrated every part of the federal government.”

She then tells viewers that she sees climate change as merely a cover to engage in population control. “I think about the people who don’t want you to have children because of the” — here she makes air-quotes — “impact on the environment.” She adds, “This is part of their ultimate goal to control people.”

There are oodles of evidence for global warming and other troublesome changes, including evidence that it is caused by putting a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Katie Sullivan: “The noxious tenets of critical race theory and gender ideology should be excised from curriculum in every single public school in this country,”

 

[lpetrich]

A consistent theme in the advice and testimonials offered by these Trump alums is that Project 2025 trainees should expect a hostile reception if they go to work in the federal government. Kozma, the former USAID deputy chief of staff, says in one video that “many” of her fellow Trump appointees experienced “persecution” during their time in government.

In a video titled “The Political Appointee’s Survival Guide,” Max Primorac, a former deputy administrator at USAID during the Trump administration, warns viewers that Washington is a place that “does not share your conservative values,” and that new hires will find that “there’s so much hostility to basic traditional values.”

What victims they are!

They seem to have more sense than their great hero. "One recurring theme in the videos is how the next Republican administration can avoid the mistakes of the first Trump presidency." Describing how to follow various procedures to the letter, so one won't get tripped up on such things. Also explaining that "the left" will do what it can to obstruct them.

What news media to talk to? Only right-wing ones, and not the likes of The New York Times and The Washington Post.

And in a video about oversight and investigations, a group of conservative investigators advise future appointees on how to avoid creating a paper trail of sensitive communications that could be obtained by congressional committees or outside groups under the Freedom of Information Act.

Like talk in person rather than write e-mails.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"A review of the training videos shows that 29 of the 36 speakers have worked for Trump in some capacity — on his 2016-17 transition team, in the administration or on his 2024 reelection campaign." So much for DT's disavowals of that project.

Thought: Perhaps his disavowal is actually "honest". The thing is, he's a figurehead, not the power behind the throne. He very well might not know the details. But it's not "his" plan so he doesn't support it. Doesn't mean it wouldn't happen if he was elected, though.

 

[Elixir]

it's not "his" plan so he doesn't support it. Doesn't mean it wouldn't happen if he was elected, though.

True. Of course when it happens it will be his plan. But he doesn’t need plans - normal people do. Trump always makes the perfect phone call or speech or whatever. No plan needed.

 

[ZiprHead]