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Racism And Kamala Harris

Do you guys really think that "Oh, you wouldn't want to be associated with those kinds of people" is a winning argument?
It need not work any better than it did for Trump in his 3 million vote loss/victory in 2016. They cheat.
It might not have to work any better than it did for Trump in his 2020 loss by 7+ million votes. I’m not clear on what happens if Republicans refuse in unity to certify a Trump loss regardless of electoral margin, but if it goes to one State one vote, we’re fucked. .
 
So, you admit the flawed logic then?
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It’s like Trump picking JD Vance is only going to appeal to his base and he didn’t show any interest in reaching out to other kinds of voters. If Kamala picks a Whitmer or a Booker it isn’t going to grow the potential voting base.
Oh noes! Trump is also doing the same stupid thing! Do you think this is going to alter my view that it's a stupid thing, just because both parties are being dummies?
I don’t see how the acknowledgment that a white man may be the best VP pick actually addresses the racism or sexism of the Democratic base. It doesn’t make sense.
The argument I've seen is that Harris *needs* to select a *white male* if she wants to win. It goes hand in hand with people who have argued that Harris didn't get the nom in 2020 because she's a black woman. That's a commentary on the DNC itself.
That doesn’t mean that Dems are addressing the needs of the independents but it doesn’t support your contention either.

The hyperfocus on race (and sometimes sex) from dems and progressives is the problem. And it's a turn-off to the independents and moderates, especially Gen-X because we literally don't give a fuck about that.
It looks like you believe racism is so over. Apparently you have not seen the attacks on Harris' and Vance's wife.
 
Which policy positions do you think Republicans have taken that are widely unpopular?
Consolidating power under the executive branch
Suspending the Constitution
Abolishing the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)
Massive blanket tariffs
Doing away with the Federal Reserve
Tax breaks for the rich
Closing the Department of education
Closing all Federal law enforcement …
Etc etc etc plus
ABORTION.
 
It looks like you believe racism is so over.
Nobody is saying that. On the other hand, accusing somebody of "racism" is very overused as a thought- terminating cliché these days.
Criticism of limiting running mate consideration to a single race and gender is not racist, and it is not sexist.
Apparently you have not seen the attacks on Harris' and Vance's wife.
Harris and Vance have the same wife? Are they a thruple? I thought Kamala was married to a dude.

Seriously though, I am not aware of attacks on Usha Vance or on Kamala Harris for being (partly) of Indian heritage. That would indeed be racist.
 
Ever black person over 18 and eligible to vote better get out and do it this election. The stakes are too high.
Or what? Are you under the impression that black conservatives are "race traitors"? Do you hold the opinion that the only issue that black voters should ever care about is race?
Hi. No I don't think black people should only worry about race but I think they would be wise to factor it in their considerations. The conservative whites are thinking Trump may get segregation reintroduced and thus save the schools where I live. Such is crazy talk but it is out there. Many want the clocks rolled back.
 
It looks like you believe racism is so over.
Nobody is saying that. On the other hand, accusing somebody of "racism" is very overused as a thought- terminating cliché these days.
Criticism of limiting running mate consideration to a single race and gender is not racist, and it is not sexist.
Apparently you have not seen the attacks on Harris' and Vance's wife.
Harris and Vance have the same wife? Are they a thruple? I thought Kamala was married to a dude.

Seriously though, I am not aware of attacks on Usha Vance or on Kamala Harris for being (partly) of Indian heritage. That would indeed be racist.
Then you have not been looking.
 
It looks like you believe racism is so over.
Nobody is saying that. On the other hand, accusing somebody of "racism" is very overused as a thought- terminating cliché these days.
Criticism of limiting running mate consideration to a single race and gender is not racist, and it is not sexist.
Apparently you have not seen the attacks on Harris' and Vance's wife.
Harris and Vance have the same wife? Are they a thruple? I thought Kamala was married to a dude.

Seriously though, I am not aware of attacks on Usha Vance or on Kamala Harris for being (partly) of Indian heritage. That would indeed be racist.
Then you have not been looking.
Like, the GOP is outright saying she is "DEI", which is pretty fucking racist considering she is a competent criminal prosecutor who won election to the senate.

Also, it's interesting to see who came out of the woodwork to run "rodeo clown" for the Republicans in this thread...
 
I know you don't have a party affiliation. You are a very conservative feminist, the Alan Dershowitz of female rights.
What views do I hold that you think are "very conservative"?
Economically you are very conservative, but maybe "out of touch" would be a better description.
Can you elaborate on what views I hold that you consider very conservative? Is it my view that all education, including pre-school and post-secondary school (including trade schools) should be considered a public good and funded via taxes? Or perhaps it's my view that the deliver of health care in the US should be treated as a public utility, disallowing competition and ensuring that resources are apportioned to meet social needs rather than profit margins? Or is it my view that UBI is a terrible idea because it doesn't address the root causes of poverty, and that it would be much more reasonable to increase funding for education, day care, and nutritional support across the board, as well as address the cost of housing somehow, even though I don't currently have any idea how that should be done? Is that what makes you think that I'm economically very conservative and out of touch?
 
If she brought to the table the ability to motivate people of color and women to show up and vote for the Democratic ticket
What bothers me is that the entire approach here is premised on the idea that black and hispanic people only give a shit about skin color, therefore they need to have a candidate with a similar melanin content or they won't vote for your party. Similarly, there's the premise that female humans only give a fuck about sex, so if you don't pander to us with a female candidate we won't vote for your party.

It's the implicit assumption that dems cannot win voters on their policies and their position - they're only capable of winning because they can somehow con the otherwise ignorant minorities and woman into voting for them by showcasing a skin-deep similarity.
 
Now that Kamala Harris is running for President of The United States, far right racists like Sebastian Gorka are now playing the racist, misogynist games. Harris is being painted as a black woman who did not rise because of her abilities and talents and hard work, but by being a token black woman, a DEI candidate.
Oh, give me a break! It's not racist to point out that KH was a DEI pick for veep. Dems were not even hiding that they were looking for a black woman to nominate. Just like with SCOTUS justice or US Senator from California, nobody except black women needed to apply.

We’ve already been over this, and your bigoted bullshit fools no one here, except maybe people like Barbos.

“DEI pick” has two different meanings, one for the MAGGOT Party of the Convicted Felon and Serial Rapist that you support, and one for intelligent people.

For the latter, a DEI pick means that QUALIFIED people who are non-white, non-male, non-straight and non-cisgendered are finally getting their chance to advance in the world. Kamala Harris CLEARLY meets this standard. If, with her record, she were a white man, NO ONE would cavil at her qualifications for the presidency.

For the MAGGOT Party that you support, a “DEI hire” means that ANY minority candidate, no matter how qualified, is ipso facto INFERIOR to straight, white, hetero, cisgendered men. Is it just straight-up bigotry, end of story.
 
Oh, give me a break! It's not racist to point out that KH was a DEI pick for veep.

When they call her a DEI hire they mean unqualified, which is false.
No, they mean "nigger". Probably also "cunt".

Because they may be vile scumbags, but they're not brave vile scumbags, and they dare not say what they're thinking, in case decent-but-naïve people identify them as the racist misogynist scum that they are.
JFC, or the last decade, the only time I run across blatant racial and sexist epithets, they're coming from self-congratulatory progressives.
 
What we are finally doing in this country is putting an end to 250 years of affirmative action and automatic entitlement and privilege for straight white cisgendered men. And what a howl they put up! The MAGGOT Party is the backlash against this laudable and long overdue process.
 
Oh, give me a break! It's not racist to point out that KH was a DEI pick for veep.

When they call her a DEI hire they mean unqualified, which is false.
No, they mean "nigger". Probably also "cunt".

Because they may be vile scumbags, but they're not brave vile scumbags, and they dare not say what they're thinking, in case decent-but-naïve people identify them as the racist misogynist scum that they are.
JFC, or the last decade, the only time I run across blatant racial and sexist epithets, they're coming from self-congratulatory progressives.
my experience leads me to conclude one of two things is true: 1) you are clueless about these epithets or 2) you live a very sheltered life.
 
It looks like you believe racism is so over.
No, not over, not completely. But up until about the past twenty years, it had diminished massively, to a point where it was no longer a material driver of views. Within the last couple of decades, it's become a hyperfocus for progressives, who see race in everything and who insist that every single topic must be viewed through a racial lense. Progressives have reified race.
Apparently you have not seen the attacks on Harris' and Vance's wife.
You're going to need to be more specific. I've seen insinuations from progressives that any objection to Harris is racially motivated and cannot be anything else. And I've seen commentary from progressives about how Vance won't be accepted by republicans because she's Indian and that this will hurt Vance. Now, I don't frequent stormfront (is that even still around), so it's entirely possible I'm missing something... but I haven't actually seen anything from conservatives or republicans that focus on the race or ethnicity of either Harris or Vance's wife.

The same thing is true with Project 2025, btw. I've seen tons and tons and tons of progressives going on about how it's the end of democracy and a horrible thing (some parts of it certainly are horrible, some are extreme but not horrible, most of it is boring). What I haven't seen is any advocacy for it by actual republican politicians. I'm left trying to figure out why so many progressives are scared shitless of something coming from a conservative think tank that has accomplished nothing of note in its history. It's as irrational as the stupid thing I posted leading to a pile of religious rightists being terrified that the marxists are taking over.
 
Oh, give me a break! It's not racist to point out that KH was a DEI pick for veep.

When they call her a DEI hire they mean unqualified, which is false.
No, they mean "nigger". Probably also "cunt".

Because they may be vile scumbags, but they're not brave vile scumbags, and they dare not say what they're thinking, in case decent-but-naïve people identify them as the racist misogynist scum that they are.
JFC, or the last decade, the only time I run across blatant racial and sexist epithets, they're coming from self-congratulatory progressives.
my experience leads me to conclude one of two things is true: 1) you are clueless about these epithets or 2) you live a very sheltered life.
Por que no los dos?
 
but I haven't actually seen anything from conservatives or republicans that focus on the race or ethnicity of either Harris or Vance's wife.

:ROFLMAO:

Okie-doke, Trumpster.
 
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