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[AGodForTheAtheist]

.. proselytizing for what religion?.

Your own.

As Pilate said..whose truth? Yours mine gods?
Which bothers you most? My reference to atheists or my reference to god?

Why would I believe that Pilate said that?

What bothers me is your many assertions supported by nothing more than your opinions. That doesn't bother me much though.

I'm the staff member who approved your membership this morning. Then a batch of posts. I like having members I completely disagree with.
I want you to stay here on IIDB. I disagree with almost everything you post. I'll explain why. But I do want you to hang around and post so we can discuss stuff.
Tom

We have FAITH in our memories of past experiences that do not exist anymore
We have HOPE for better future experiences that do not exist yet
Using LOVE we can create better nows after now after… because only now ever exists. Not a religious quote but logic and reason based on observable evidence of our memories of our past experiences…

Who is this "we"?

Members of your personal religion?

I know it can't refer to Christians, as a group, because they can't agree upon much of anything.

So, I'm asking you flat up.
Who is "we"?
Tom

Actually “we” refers to the collective consciousness … let me clarify from the top.
There is only one “I AM”… I think therefore “I “ am
Everything else is a product of my mind… like characters and props and stages in a play.
God of course is the creator of the story we are acting out in an improv movie.
However we are not robots puppets or slaves, we are students learning from personal experience to create a beautiful existence from a lonely bored singularity into a universe of beauty. Angstroms decibels firing synapses are all just vibrating energy.. there is nothing physical.
Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves..our consciousness creating Color’s sounds life so we can enjoy our existence.

You ask who is we … we are instruments in a common band …. And the song continues… god is watching us “From A Distance”
Or what if god was one of us just a slob like one of us just a stranger on the bus .. trying to make his way home” that song is more real than you might imagine. The bible within its ugliness also tries to say the golden rule… but we need to graduate from this school of hard knock’s learning from our mistakes by personal experience… not just reading bibles and science books.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Religion and Science are both lacking in understanding of what is true.

And yet you are not.

Tell us, how did you come to this understanding of what is true? How do you know something that you neither have evidence for (science), or have faith in (religion)?

Science does not even bother with the non physical subatomic electromagnetic energy waves.. or consciousness with which we are creating this PERCEPTION of a physical reality. We are still muddling in quantum physics… there is nothing physical.
Religion is just as ignorant ignoring truth that in order to find happiness we must stop creating evil by saying anyone who does not do what I think they should is from the devil.
The answer is coming to a mutually agreeable and beneficial understanding of our existence and working together for a common good for all.
EVIDENCE LOGIC REASON.
I think therefore I I know I exist… but as what?
Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves we call our consciousness… there is no physical reality. But we create a perception in order to enjoy our existence.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Religion and Science are both lacking in understanding of what is true.

And yet you are not.

Tell us, how did you come to this understanding of what is true? How do you know something that you neither have evidence for (science), or have faith in (religion)?

The most difficult is understand the very first creation. It requires circular reasoning.
When we realized we exist… that spark.. ignited a BIG BANG explosion of unanswerable questions. What am I where when how why.
Since there were no answers to those questions… WE CREATED THE GOD THAT CREATED US, in order to explain our existence… GOD the creator DID IT.

 

[Keith&Co.]

We're probably gonna need something a bit better than 'everyone is ignorant except me' as a reason to acept any of this as a compelling truth and not Mary Sue fanfic.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

We're probably gonna need something a bit better than 'everyone is ignorant except me' as a reason to acept any of this as a compelling truth and not Mary Sue fanfic.

Truth What is Truth - Pilate
YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH - Col Jessup
even God referred to himself as “I AM”
Because that is all any of us know.
I think therefore I am.

 

[bilby]

There is only one “I AM”… I think therefore “I “ am
Everything else is a product of my mind… like characters and props and stages in a play.

Oh, you're yet another person trying to sell solipsism. How utterly tedious and pointless.

 

[Keith&Co.]

We're probably gonna need something a bit better than 'everyone is ignorant except me' as a reason to acept any of this as a compelling truth and not Mary Sue fanfic.

Truth What is Truth - Pilate

Quoting fictional conversations attributed to historical figures is not convincing....

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH - Col Jessup

Quoting fictional characters is less convincing.

even God referred to himself as “I AM”

Quoting fictional characters is less convincing.

Because that is all any of us know.

How do you come to this knowledge?

I think therefore I am.

Your schtick remains disconvincing. Needs more steampunk.

 

[skepticalbip]

Religion and Science are both lacking in understanding of what is true.

And yet you are not.

Tell us, how did you come to this understanding of what is true? How do you know something that you neither have evidence for (science), or have faith in (religion)?

Science does not even bother with the non physical subatomic electromagnetic energy waves..

That is a weird string of words. WTF do you mean by it?
. Non-physical is a term that makes sense by itself.
. Subatomic is a term that makes sense by itself but when linked with the other terms in your phrase it becomes self contradictory and senseless.
. Electromagnetic energy also is a term that makes sense by itself but it is physical and linking it to the term subatomic is a non sequitur.
. waves is a meaningful term but senseless in your strange union of unrelated terms since waves is a description of the cyclic action of the something physical.

or consciousness with which we are creating this PERCEPTION of a physical reality. We are still muddling in quantum physics… there is nothing physical.

If there is no 'physical reality' then what do you think you are communicating with if there are no readers of your ramblings?

Religion is just as ignorant ignoring truth that in order to find happiness we must stop creating evil by saying anyone who does not do what I think they should is from the devil.
The answer is coming to a mutually agreeable and beneficial understanding of our existence and working together for a common good for all.
EVIDENCE LOGIC REASON.

Ah yes. I am all for evidence, logic, and reason but I fail to find any of that in your scree.

I think therefore I I know I exist… but as what?
Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves we call our consciousness… there is no physical reality. But we create a perception in order to enjoy our existence.

This looks like a mantra you dreamed up and apparently believe if you repeat it enough it will become reality.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That is a weird string of words. WTF do you mean by it?
. Non-physical is a term that makes sense by itself.
. Subatomic is a term that makes sense by itself but when linked with the other terms in your phrase it becomes self contradictory and senseless.
. Electromagnetic energy also is a term that makes sense by itself but it is physical and linking it to the term subatomic is a non sequitur.
. waves is a meaningful term but senseless in your strange union of unrelated terms since waves is a description of the cyclic action of the something physical.

Were you here when Self-Mutation claimed God made subatomic life forms? When asked for an example ponied up....ants?

Like that.

 

[DBT]

.. proselytizing for what religion?.

Your own.

As Pilate said..whose truth? Yours mine gods?
Which bothers you most? My reference to atheists or my reference to god?

Why would I believe that Pilate said that?

What bothers me is your many assertions supported by nothing more than your opinions. That doesn't bother me much though.

I'm the staff member who approved your membership this morning. Then a batch of posts. I like having members I completely disagree with.
I want you to stay here on IIDB. I disagree with almost everything you post. I'll explain why. But I do want you to hang around and post so we can discuss stuff.
Tom

We have FAITH in our memories of past experiences that do not exist anymore
We have HOPE for better future experiences that do not exist yet
Using LOVE we can create better nows after now after… because only now ever exists. Not a religious quote but logic and reason based on observable evidence of our memories of our past experiences…

Our memories can be verified. We can revisit a place we had been decades ago, negotiate the streets without a map, others can vouch for or refute an event, photos, videos, etc, verify places, faces and events. We know that our memory is not perfect, but it is functional. And we know when it fails.

 

[bilby]

We know that our memory is not perfect, but it is functional. And we know when it fails.

I don't recall that ever happening

 

[steve_bank]

Religion is a disgusting creation of theists and atheists arguing fighting and killing in the name of god. Or lack there of.

I very much disagree.
Religion can be that. But not usually.
Usually it's a form of fiction that reinforces the world view of whoever holds it. Sometimes that's a good thing, although obviously not always.

Science is an ignorant creation that stops at the physical perception of our existence ignoring the subatomic electromagnetic energy waves of our non physical existence.

This is nonsense.
Science is imperfect and limited. It is also the human race's best effort to understand objective reality to date.
Before the scientific method, the usual method was the religious method. Somebody claims to speak for God(s) and if they can acquire enough authority their unsupported assertions become truth. Science is definitely better than that.

Here is my understanding...

You've repeated this several times already in different posts. It's starting to look entirely like "proselytizing". IIDB does have a rule against proselytizing.
Just a friendly bit of advice.
Tom

Are you speaking of the science that just invents a “p” into the E=mc2 because they do not understand that mass is just the relationship between Energy and c2 transpose to solve for mass m=E/c2 neither of which has any physical property. m=0 Physical is jus a perception of energy.consciousness is just a perception of reality…. I think therefore I am.. or as the god of the bible said to Moses “Tell them I AM has sent you” …. Clarified … 1: we realized we exist
2: we had no idea what where why how we exist
3: we use the word god to represent our ignorance
4: we created the god that created us in order to explain our existence.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS…??

Not quite right.

Mass is defined in the Systems International standard for measurements and units.

Einstein deduced the rest mass' meaning not revivals, energy to be m*C2.

Energy does not define mass, it is a property of mass. Energy has no independent existence it is a unit of measurement in Joules. Energy is the capacity to work work is Force * Distance force in Newtons and distance in meters, units in Joules. Forece being mass * acceleration.

1 Joule of energy = 1m/s * 1kg.

Gravitational Newtonian energy = m* g where g is 9.8 m/s.

The total energy of an object Etotal = m*C^2 + 0.5 m*v^2 where .5*m*v^2 is the kinetic energy and v is velocity. Kinteic enerfy is reative to inertial frames.

If you have any questions see me after cals....

 

[steve_bank]

Religion is a disgusting creation of theists and atheists arguing fighting and killing in the name of god. Or lack there of.
Science is an ignorant creation that stops at the physical perception of our existence ignoring the subatomic electromagnetic energy waves of our non physical existence.
Here is my understanding.
Hi . I have been researching for many years and I believe I have the answers for you.
What who when how and why we exist.
I will try a short summary of my conclusions.
1.deconstruction… flesh>atoms>subatomic particles >
Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves > consciousness…..
2. Physical is just a perception of vibrating energy.
10011100011 angstroms decibels firing synapses > all just subatomic electromagnetic energy waves.
We are a singularity that is creating our consciousness by vibrating.
I think therefore I am.. everything is a product of our thinking.
There is more such as the past is over doesn’t exist anymore > the future doesn’t exist yet.
Only now ever exists.. now after now .. we are an ever expanding singularity consciousness.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed so the purpose of the universe is to make our existence as a singularity (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) 1100011100
A more enjoyable experience…. Eternity is a long time to be lonely and bored.

I don't see anything about religion vs science.

More a mix of pseudoscience and metaphysics. We have member who insists we are in a simulation,.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed so the purpose of the universe is to make our existence as a singularity (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) 1100011100

Non Sequitur, no connection between premise and conclusion. And a bit of gobbledygook.

Beware The Jabberwocky.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Religion is a disgusting creation of theists and atheists arguing fighting and killing in the name of god. Or lack there of.

I very much disagree.
Religion can be that. But not usually.
Usually it's a form of fiction that reinforces the world view of whoever holds it. Sometimes that's a good thing, although obviously not always.

Science is an ignorant creation that stops at the physical perception of our existence ignoring the subatomic electromagnetic energy waves of our non physical existence.

This is nonsense.
Science is imperfect and limited. It is also the human race's best effort to understand objective reality to date.
Before the scientific method, the usual method was the religious method. Somebody claims to speak for God(s) and if they can acquire enough authority their unsupported assertions become truth. Science is definitely better than that.

Here is my understanding...

You've repeated this several times already in different posts. It's starting to look entirely like "proselytizing". IIDB does have a rule against proselytizing.
Just a friendly bit of advice.
Tom

Are you speaking of the science that just invents a “p” into the E=mc2 because they do not understand that mass is just the relationship between Energy and c2 transpose to solve for mass m=E/c2 neither of which has any physical property. m=0 Physical is jus a perception of energy.consciousness is just a perception of reality…. I think therefore I am.. or as the god of the bible said to Moses “Tell them I AM has sent you” …. Clarified … 1: we realized we exist
2: we had no idea what where why how we exist
3: we use the word god to represent our ignorance
4: we created the god that created us in order to explain our existence.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS…??

Not quite right.

Mass is defined in the Systems International standard for measurements and units.

Einstein deduced the rest mass' meaning not revivals, energy to be m*C2.

Energy does not define mass, it is a property of mass. Energy has no independent existence it is a unit of measurement in Joules. Energy is the capacity to work work is Force * Distance force in Newtons and distance in meters, units in Joules. Forece being mass * acceleration.

1 Joule of energy = 1m/s * 1kg.

Gravitational Newtonian energy = m* g where g is 9.8 m/s.

The total energy of an object Etotal = m*C^2 + 0.5 m*v^2 where .5*m*v^2 is the kinetic energy and v is velocity. Kinteic enerfy is reative to inertial frames.

If you have any questions see me after cals....

I don’t care what mass is defined as. The formula speaks for itself. Mass is simply the perception of energy in terms of velocity. An object at rest has no mass… also objects are a perception of subatomic electromagnetic energy waves aka consciousness. I think therefore I am.. just a perception of my thoughts. Which are firing synapses.. electromagnetic energy.. not a physical reality.. you need to learn to think beyond the physical and beyond the quantum physical to the actual sub atomic reality of the forces that create the perception we call atoms. Positive and negative like a magnet .. two magnets of the same polarity repel each other with no thing physical between them.
Think in those terms in the lowest terms “SUB” atomic energy.what arecleptons quarks and bosons comprised of … THINK FOR YOURSELF stop regurgitating old physics books .. ignore quantum physics books because there is nothing physical…. It’s a perception of energy in relation to velocity. 0 velocity 0 energy 0 consciousness..
But energy cannot be created or destroyed it just keeps changing form…. I THINK.. pun intended.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

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Exactly where are atheists killing in the name of nothing?

Science is an ignorant creation

He said on the internet....

Let’s start with in the Ukraine.. then add every other country where people are being killed for any reason. Because everyone thinks their acts of killing others is for the right reason. To advance their own personal opinions of what is right.

I asked for support of your claim that atheists are "arguing fighting and killing in the name of god. Or lack there of." You don't agree with people being killed, fine. Doesn't support a claim that atheists are killing over the argument.
Certainly doesn't explain the fight in the Ukraine.

All fighting is a product of ignorance. If we all knew the truth we would not be fighting. Truth? What is truth? Instead of seeking the truth we try and force our perception of truth into others. Ukraine? Will joining nato cause a power struggle .. of course it will.. atheists? There are no atheists.. the atheists god is the belief that there is no god… BELIEF is the definition of god and religion ..
I think therefore I am.. but what do I choose to think? What belief motivates or CONTROLS MY ACTIONS? Ukrainians are people being manipulated from two sources trying to control their economic survival…

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Religion is a disgusting creation of theists and atheists arguing fighting and killing in the name of god. Or lack there of.
Science is an ignorant creation that stops at the physical perception of our existence ignoring the subatomic electromagnetic energy waves of our non physical existence.
Here is my understanding.
Hi . I have been researching for many years and I believe I have the answers for you.
What who when how and why we exist.
I will try a short summary of my conclusions.
1.deconstruction… flesh>atoms>subatomic particles >
Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves > consciousness…..
2. Physical is just a perception of vibrating energy.
10011100011 angstroms decibels firing synapses > all just subatomic electromagnetic energy waves.
We are a singularity that is creating our consciousness by vibrating.
I think therefore I am.. everything is a product of our thinking.
There is more such as the past is over doesn’t exist anymore > the future doesn’t exist yet.
Only now ever exists.. now after now .. we are an ever expanding singularity consciousness.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed so the purpose of the universe is to make our existence as a singularity (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) 1100011100
A more enjoyable experience…. Eternity is a long time to be lonely and bored.

I don't see anything about religion vs science.

More a mix of pseudoscience and metaphysics. We have member who insists we are in a simulation,.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed so the purpose of the universe is to make our existence as a singularity (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) 1100011100

Non Sequitur, no connection between premise and conclusion. And a bit of gobbledygook.

Beware The Jabberwocky.

Just because you are not intelligent enough to understand the concepts being expressed does not make them gobley gook… it just means you are ignorant.

 

[Rhea]

or consciousness with which we are creating this PERCEPTION of a physical reality. We are still muddling in quantum physics… there is nothing physical.

If there is no 'physical reality' then what do you think you are communicating with if there are no readers of your ramblings?

This is a very interesting question, indeed.

For anyone who has ever argued that they can’t tell if there are other minds, or if there is nothing physical or etc…. what would be the point in having debates of any kind?

I mean, I guess I do have debates with myself in my head. Maybe it’s like that.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Religion is a disgusting creation of theists and atheists arguing fighting and killing in the name of god. Or lack there of.
Science is an ignorant creation that stops at the physical perception of our existence ignoring the subatomic electromagnetic energy waves of our non physical existence.
Here is my understanding.
Hi . I have been researching for many years and I believe I have the answers for you.
What who when how and why we exist.
I will try a short summary of my conclusions.
1.deconstruction… flesh>atoms>subatomic particles >
Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves > consciousness…..
2. Physical is just a perception of vibrating energy.
10011100011 angstroms decibels firing synapses > all just subatomic electromagnetic energy waves.
We are a singularity that is creating our consciousness by vibrating.
I think therefore I am.. everything is a product of our thinking.
There is more such as the past is over doesn’t exist anymore > the future doesn’t exist yet.
Only now ever exists.. now after now .. we are an ever expanding singularity consciousness.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed so the purpose of the universe is to make our existence as a singularity (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) 1100011100
A more enjoyable experience…. Eternity is a long time to be lonely and bored.

I don't see anything about religion vs science.

More a mix of pseudoscience and metaphysics. We have member who insists we are in a simulation,.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed so the purpose of the universe is to make our existence as a singularity (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) 1100011100

Non Sequitur, no connection between premise and conclusion. And a bit of gobbledygook.

Beware The Jabberwocky.

And we are in a simulation… flesh and metal are not physical, they are atoms… atoms are not physical, they are subatomic particles.. subatomic particles are not physical they are a perception of subatomic electromagnetic energy waves.. these waves form our consciousness. I THINK Therefore I am.
Even god said “tell them I AM has sent you”
I take it Rene Descartes and god had the same understanding of what our existence really is. Just a creation of our consciousness.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

We know that our memory is not perfect, but it is functional. And we know when it fails.

I don't recall that ever happening

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.. we are a product of every experience of our collective consciousness. I think therefore I am…

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

or consciousness with which we are creating this PERCEPTION of a physical reality. We are still muddling in quantum physics… there is nothing physical.

If there is no 'physical reality' then what do you think you are communicating with if there are no readers of your ramblings?

This is a very interesting question, indeed.

For anyone who has ever argued that they can’t tell if there are other minds, or if there is nothing physical or etc…. what would be the point in having debates of any kind?

I mean, I guess I do have debates with myself in my head. Maybe it’s like that.

YOU GOT IT! we are a collective consciousness trying to piece together all our experiences to try and understand what we are.
The answer.
All we know is “I AM” .. (1) …
Unanswerable questions. What where why when how?? (0) answers 10001110000111
Vibrating energy 1 consciousness considering its existence in a universe with (0) Answers
Soooo WE CREATED THE GOD THAT CREATED US… in order to explain our existence “ god did it”