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[Angry Floof]

This thread is causing a vibrational disturbance in my electromagnetic energy wave field.

 

[Jarhyn]

That magnetic force is not a physical one

...

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

just energy and light neither of which has any mass

Energy has mass.

That's what E=mc² means. See that equals sign? That tells you that energy and mass are equivalent and interchangeable, and the c² tells you how to quantify each in terms of the other.

You really, really, really, need to try to learn the basics, before you can possibly contribute usefully to anything. If you don't know what an equation is, you're probably overreaching if you imagine that you know what the universe is.

What? Do you also think that making assertions and claims suddenly can create mass … it can only . Solving for mass proves it is a non physical expression of energy. Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves… have no physical mass..,and the assertions of BIASED PHYSICISTS… will not turn those magnetic force into a physical object.
I THINK therefore I am.. just a consciousness CREATING a perception of vibrating energy.. decibels angstroms firing synapses consciousness…. That our consciousness creates t give our existence as a bored lonely SINGULARITY in a universe of NOTHINGNESS..
100111000111 purpose and meaning.

You used 40 words to criticize not understanding one word, but fail to mention what that word is. Please tell me the word and I will try to explain it for you.

I see a larger problem than you not understanding the words that others use. You don't appear to understand the words that you use.

As one example you seem to think that the word "energy" is synonymous with "magic". It's not.
. What exactly do you mean by the word "energy" when you use it?
. Would you measure it in joules, watts, calories, BTUs, horsepower, or what?

Hey now, don't be getting "magic" tied up in this.

Whatever they mean by "energy" has nothing even to do with anything anyone who actually uses "magic" means by it. Or they are conflating physical energies of particles in space with systemic moment of a neural network, which traverse the graph structure of it LIKE a wave, and are an expression of a large number of physical vectors in the system, but they are most certainly not, merely of themselves, "energy" in that way.

"Magic" does in fact deal with the configuration of neurons. It's a lot of work around configuring neurons to do stuff.

Sometimes it deals similarly with configuring text or sounds or sights or whole experiences for the sake of... Configuring neurons to do stuff.

Some people had the misfortune of seeing the effectiveness and externalizing the mechanism, is all. Perhaps like this guy. If they could prove externality of the mechanism, well, Putin would be dead from getting hit by an errant pigeon shit in the eye and getting an exotic fungal infection this time tomorrow.

I mean energy in terms of the electromagnetic energy waves caused an by a spinning magnet in a coil of wire. That magnetic force is not a physical one nor is it magical. Thoughts are firing synapses which is vibrating energy.
I THINK THEREFORE I AM… we simply create a perception of a physical reality by defining those vibrations as colours angstroms sounds decibels thoughts firing synapses… all just a perception of vibrating energy…
What are atoms? What are leptons quarks bosons? What us SUB atomic electromagnetic energy? Not a physical reality.. just a perception of vibrating energy we call consciousness
I THINK therefore I am… a non physical awareness of our consciousness we to create a fictional story to entertain ourselves in a boring lonely consciousness in a universe of nothingness…..stop regurgitating BS from bibles and science books.. try understanding the reality of our existence and the PURPOSE of life which is to make our existence as enjoyable as possible.

And what are neurons? How do they “transmit” information? They use subatomic electromagnetic energy waves or consciousness a perception of reality… not a physical reality.

 

[Jarhyn]

just energy and light neither of which has any mass

Energy has mass.

That's what E=mc² means. See that equals sign? That tells you that energy and mass are equivalent and interchangeable, and the c² tells you how to quantify each in terms of the other.

You really, really, really, need to try to learn the basics, before you can possibly contribute usefully to anything. If you don't know what an equation is, you're probably overreaching if you imagine that you know what the universe is.

What? Do you also think that making assertions and claims suddenly can create mass … it can only . Solving for mass proves it is a non physical expression of energy. Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves… have no physical mass..,and the assertions of BIASED PHYSICISTS… will not turn those magnetic force into a physical object.
I THINK therefore I am.. just a consciousness CREATING a perception of vibrating energy.. decibels angstroms firing synapses consciousness…. That our consciousness creates t give our existence as a bored lonely SINGULARITY in a universe of NOTHINGNESS..
100111000111 purpose and meaning.

You used 40 words to criticize not understanding one word, but fail to mention what that word is. Please tell me the word and I will try to explain it for you.

I see a larger problem than you not understanding the words that others use. You don't appear to understand the words that you use.

As one example you seem to think that the word "energy" is synonymous with "magic". It's not.
. What exactly do you mean by the word "energy" when you use it?
. Would you measure it in joules, watts, calories, BTUs, horsepower, or what?

Hey now, don't be getting "magic" tied up in this.

Whatever they mean by "energy" has nothing even to do with anything anyone who actually uses "magic" means by it. Or they are conflating physical energies of particles in space with systemic moment of a neural network, which traverse the graph structure of it LIKE a wave, and are an expression of a large number of physical vectors in the system, but they are most certainly not, merely of themselves, "energy" in that way.

"Magic" does in fact deal with the configuration of neurons. It's a lot of work around configuring neurons to do stuff.

Sometimes it deals similarly with configuring text or sounds or sights or whole experiences for the sake of... Configuring neurons to do stuff.

Some people had the misfortune of seeing the effectiveness and externalizing the mechanism, is all. Perhaps like this guy. If they could prove externality of the mechanism, well, Putin would be dead from getting hit by an errant pigeon shit in the eye and getting an exotic fungal infection this time tomorrow.

I mean energy in terms of the electromagnetic energy waves caused an by a spinning magnet in a coil of wire. That magnetic force is not a physical one nor is it magical. Thoughts are firing synapses which is vibrating energy.
I THINK THEREFORE I AM… we simply create a perception of a physical reality by defining those vibrations as colours angstroms sounds decibels thoughts firing synapses… all just a perception of vibrating energy…
What are atoms? What are leptons quarks bosons? What us SUB atomic electromagnetic energy? Not a physical reality.. just a perception of vibrating energy we call consciousness
I THINK therefore I am… a non physical awareness of our consciousness we to create a fictional story to entertain ourselves in a boring lonely consciousness in a universe of nothingness…..stop regurgitating BS from bibles and science books.. try understanding the reality of our existence and the PURPOSE of life which is to make our existence as enjoyable as possible.

And what are neurons? How do they “transmit” information? They use subatomic electromagnetic energy waves or consciousness a perception of reality… not a physical reality.

... Do you even understand what the word "physical" means as in "physics"?

It does not mean "substantial" or even "massive"

It means "is an interaction of or on or between one or more of the Four Physical Fields: the gravitational field, the electromagnetic field, the strong field, and the weak field."

Calling electromagnetic waves "nonphysical" is at it's base a stunning display of ignorance.

Fundamental interaction - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one. All you do is preach assertions from your bible . Where are the strings springs or other physical properties of this force? The magnets are perceived as physical until you actually consider their subatomic nature .
They are a product of consciousness not a physical substance just a perception of vibrating energy.. angstroms decibels firing synapses? All just a perception of vibrating energy. Our consciousness uses to create thoughts. I think therefore I am… I refute your science comic book assertions.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

IIRC, YOU were the one that mentioned the reaction of two magnets when their poles are brought together.
Schoolkids can actually feel the physical force when they try to make two North ends touch.
Or try pulling two industrial-strength magnets apart.
Ever look at a compass? What is the force that physically moves the needle when you turn, if not magnetic?

It's one thing to suggest nothing is physical because of your simulation theory, but you cannot use your outrageous ignorance of reality as proof that it isn't real.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

IIRC, YOU were the one that mentioned the reaction of two magnets when their poles are brought together.
Schoolkids can actually feel the physical force when they try to make two North ends touch.
Or try pulling two industrial-strength magnets apart.
Ever look at a compass? What is the force that physically moves the needle when you turn, if not magnetic?

It's one thing to suggest nothing is physical because of your simulation theory, but you cannot use your outrageous ignorance of reality as proof that it isn't real.

THINK… you mention a compass needle. Where is the physical force that goes through walls and over mountains and through the compass body from the North Pole to your compass, to hand him a physical note saying north is this way?

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

IIRC, YOU were the one that mentioned the reaction of two magnets when their poles are brought together.
Schoolkids can actually feel the physical force when they try to make two North ends touch.
Or try pulling two industrial-strength magnets apart.
Ever look at a compass? What is the force that physically moves the needle when you turn, if not magnetic?

It's one thing to suggest nothing is physical because of your simulation theory, but you cannot use your outrageous ignorance of reality as proof that it isn't real.

All you do is read a book and regurgitate the bs, not bothering to ask the hard questions. It’s so easy to say because the bible says it or because my science book says it… sorry but that is not evidence logic or reason.. it’s just assertions you read in a book.

 

[Jarhyn]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

At the company I work for we MAKE, as in assemble silicon chips with deposition and etching operations.

It's not just words in a book for me. It never has been. And all these operations rely on the little bits that are in books to actually be accurate.

Otherwise we could not count the number of nanoparticle beads that are present on the sensor with the scanning electron microscope, nor repair the microscope when it doesn't have a good collector and emitter on it and is miscalibrated.

Nor would we be able to count the nanoparticles with the sensor itself using moment of magnetic force impelled by spin alignment on the electrons and the effect this spin alignment has on the resistance of the potential difference across the circuit.

Nor would I be able to predict how temperature would impact the resistance through scattering of spin alignment of the electron shells.

For some of us, in fact many posters here, it is not "assertions from a book". It is rather the firm ground over which we have walked to get to where we stand.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

Everything you wrote is just an assertion. A story made up to explain things in a physical universe which does not exist except as a story. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just changes form. I think therefore I am
These three remain
FAITH in memories of a past that does not exist
Anymore
HOPE for a future that does not exist
Yet
LOVE of this perception of our vibrating energy we now enjoy
These are not physical reality but angstroms decibels and firing synapses
We simply create this perception of reality to make our existence as a lonely bored singularity consciousness a more enjoyable experience.
Like telling a child a fairy tale to entertain him.

 

[Jarhyn]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

Everything you wrote is just an assertion. A story made up to explain things in a physical universe which does not exist except as a story. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just changes form. I think therefore I am
These three remain
FAITH in memories of a past that does not exist
Anymore
HOPE for a future that does not exist
Yet
LOVE of this perception of our vibrating energy we now enjoy
These are not physical reality but angstroms decibels and firing synapses
We simply create this perception of reality to make our existence as a lonely bored singularity consciousness a more enjoyable experience.
Like telling a child a fairy tale to entertain him.

Synapses are physical, their operation physical, it's all physical.

If you wish to tell a good fairy tale, and have anyone be here entertained, get with the pigeon shitting toxic mold in Putin's eye and him dropping dead.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

Everything you wrote is just an assertion. A story made up to explain things in a physical universe which does not exist except as a story. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just changes form. I think therefore I am
These three remain
FAITH in memories of a past that does not exist
Anymore
HOPE for a future that does not exist
Yet
LOVE of this perception of our vibrating energy we now enjoy
These are not physical reality but angstroms decibels and firing synapses
We simply create this perception of reality to make our existence as a lonely bored singularity consciousness a more enjoyable experience.
Like telling a child a fairy tale to entertain him.

Synapses are physical, their operation physical, it's all physical.

If you wish to tell a good fairy tale, and have anyone be here entertained, get with the pigeon shitting toxic mold in Putin's eye and him dropping dead.

Synapses are also atoms subatomic particles subatomic electromagnetic energy.. that creates a non physical force. Only a perception of vibrating energy….after Putin there will just be another Putin

 

[Jarhyn]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

Everything you wrote is just an assertion. A story made up to explain things in a physical universe which does not exist except as a story. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just changes form. I think therefore I am
These three remain
FAITH in memories of a past that does not exist
Anymore
HOPE for a future that does not exist
Yet
LOVE of this perception of our vibrating energy we now enjoy
These are not physical reality but angstroms decibels and firing synapses
We simply create this perception of reality to make our existence as a lonely bored singularity consciousness a more enjoyable experience.
Like telling a child a fairy tale to entertain him.

Synapses are physical, their operation physical, it's all physical.

If you wish to tell a good fairy tale, and have anyone be here entertained, get with the pigeon shitting toxic mold in Putin's eye and him dropping dead.

Synapses are also atoms subatomic particles subatomic electromagnetic energy.. that creates a non physical force. Only a perception of vibrating energy….after Putin there will just be another Putin

What you seem to be attempting to allude to is the exchange of abstract information.

That does not invalidate or in any way change the fact that it is entirely physically mediated.

No amount of thoughts or wishing will allow these interactions that are hosted entirely by physical mediation to have leverage over the physicality of the mediation.

The only thing that would allow that would be another, "host" physics simulating this physics (and they would both be "physical", we would just then have TWO sets of physics to contend with), including a hook. Show me the hook?

If you wish to prove otherwise, none of us really care if there will be another later. Hop hop with the bird turd words, and put the snooze on this apocalypse.

Let me reiterate, if you want to tell a great story, let it be about that one time that guy convinced God Himself to kill a tyrant with a bird shit.

By your logic its you asking yourself to do it. Who are you to stop you from actually not being a shitty god?

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

Everything you wrote is just an assertion. A story made up to explain things in a physical universe which does not exist except as a story. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just changes form. I think therefore I am
These three remain
FAITH in memories of a past that does not exist
Anymore
HOPE for a future that does not exist
Yet
LOVE of this perception of our vibrating energy we now enjoy
These are not physical reality but angstroms decibels and firing synapses
We simply create this perception of reality to make our existence as a lonely bored singularity consciousness a more enjoyable experience.
Like telling a child a fairy tale to entertain him.

Synapses are physical, their operation physical, it's all physical.

If you wish to tell a good fairy tale, and have anyone be here entertained, get with the pigeon shitting toxic mold in Putin's eye and him dropping dead.

Synapses are also atoms subatomic particles subatomic electromagnetic energy.. that creates a non physical force. Only a perception of vibrating energy….after Putin there will just be another Putin

What you seem to be attempting to allude to is the exchange of abstract information.

That does not invalidate or in any way change the fact that it is entirely physically mediated.

No amount of thoughts or wishing will allow these interactions that are hosted entirely by physical mediation to have leverage over the physicality of the mediation.

If you wish to prove otherwise, none of us really care if there will be another later. Hop hop with the bird turd words, and put the snooze on this apocalypse.

Let me reiterate, if you want to tell a great story, let it be about that one time that guy convinced God Himself to kill a tyrant with a bird shit.

By your logic its you asking yourself to do it. Who are you to stop you from actually not being a shitty god?

You simply do not want to make an effort to understand… from the very first thought of our creator “I AM” to the Big Bang explosion of unanswerable questions that realization created. What when where how why do I know I exist?
Unanswerable questions that forced us to CREATE this perception of a physical universe.
Taking our singularity consciousness (1) and vibrating it in a universe of nothingness (0)
10011110000111. That vibrating energy creating and maintaining our existence as a consciousness. PURPOSE: to make our existence (1) in a universe of (0) a more enjoyable experience.
Evidence logic reason. I think therefore I am.
ENERGY = Perception of mass, times the speed of light squared.
mass is just the relationship between two non physical forces.., energy and light m=E/c2

 

[Jarhyn]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

Everything you wrote is just an assertion. A story made up to explain things in a physical universe which does not exist except as a story. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just changes form. I think therefore I am
These three remain
FAITH in memories of a past that does not exist
Anymore
HOPE for a future that does not exist
Yet
LOVE of this perception of our vibrating energy we now enjoy
These are not physical reality but angstroms decibels and firing synapses
We simply create this perception of reality to make our existence as a lonely bored singularity consciousness a more enjoyable experience.
Like telling a child a fairy tale to entertain him.

Synapses are physical, their operation physical, it's all physical.

If you wish to tell a good fairy tale, and have anyone be here entertained, get with the pigeon shitting toxic mold in Putin's eye and him dropping dead.

Synapses are also atoms subatomic particles subatomic electromagnetic energy.. that creates a non physical force. Only a perception of vibrating energy….after Putin there will just be another Putin

What you seem to be attempting to allude to is the exchange of abstract information.

That does not invalidate or in any way change the fact that it is entirely physically mediated.

No amount of thoughts or wishing will allow these interactions that are hosted entirely by physical mediation to have leverage over the physicality of the mediation.

If you wish to prove otherwise, none of us really care if there will be another later. Hop hop with the bird turd words, and put the snooze on this apocalypse.

Let me reiterate, if you want to tell a great story, let it be about that one time that guy convinced God Himself to kill a tyrant with a bird shit.

By your logic its you asking yourself to do it. Who are you to stop you from actually not being a shitty god?

You simply do not want to make an effort to understand… from the very first thought of our creator “I AM” to the Big Bang explosion of unanswerable questions that realization created. What when where how why do I know I exist?
Unanswerable questions that forced us to CREATE this perception of a physical universe.
Taking our singularity consciousness (1) and vibrating it in a universe of nothingness (0)
10011110000111. That vibrating energy creating and maintaining our existence as a consciousness. PURPOSE: to make our existence (1) in a universe of (0) a more enjoyable experience.
Evidence logic reason. I think therefore I am.
ENERGY = Perception of mass, times the speed of light squared.
mass is just the relationship between two non physical forces.., energy and light m=E/c2

No, the questions did not force us to create the universe. The universe forced us to create the questions.

You are made of material, and arrangements thereof, such that those arrangements and material ways they relate interact so as to render behavior and perception.

The behavior and perception being rendered evolved around the apparent goal of "staying alive".

Lots of stories can exist in those bounds, but those stories are hosted, not the host. The story that is the host is "these things, these physical fields, relate this way, by this pattern: physical law"

Your story is told by that, not the other way around.

Unless you wish to offer up a dictator who dies from a bird shitting in his eye.

 

[steve_bank]

I sense a disturbance in The Farce.

Well, when you are on a jet at the end of the takeoff roll and the plot pulls back on the yoke is it a fairy tale that the plane starts flying?

Words like decibel actually refer to physical reality.

When ou lift a 10 kg weight is the force due to gravity just a perception? Heavy or light is a perception. A force of 100 Newtons is pgsycaly measureable.

Yes. science is in our brains, but the symbols of science reflect how we quantity reality numerically. When you pay fpr 1kg of potaies it is not percption.

I can see your conundrum. Philosophically yo might say science is a 'percolation', but it is a perception referenced to physical quantities.

There was a lengthy debate on color and perception. Blue is a perception, it is what we see or perceive in our vision. Scientifically blue is a word assigned to a band of wavelengths of light. Someoned argued blue does nor exist, it is all subjective perception ignoring how science actually defines phenomena.

COLOUR

"People universally believe that objects look colored because they are colored, just as we experience them. The sky looks blue because it is blue, grass looks green because it is green, and blood looks red because it is red. As surprising as it may seem, these beliefs are fundamentally mistaken...

iidb.org

Force

I’m trying to think something through, but I’m afraid I’m equivocating back and forth between different conceptions of what I’m calling “force.” Years ago, I watched a television show (maybe “cops” or something similar) where in real life an officer pulled over a driver and issued him a...

iidb.org

I am going fast in my car is subjective perception. I am going 10km per hour is science. Science based on a set of defined quantities.

Our ability to scientifically perceive reality is limited to what instruments we can create, like telescopes. Whether our models of reality actually reflect true reality is on of those unanswerable questions.

That gives leave to anyone to speculate and make claims without any proofs.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

IIRC, YOU were the one that mentioned the reaction of two magnets when their poles are brought together.
Schoolkids can actually feel the physical force when they try to make two North ends touch.
Or try pulling two industrial-strength magnets apart.
Ever look at a compass? What is the force that physically moves the needle when you turn, if not magnetic?

It's one thing to suggest nothing is physical because of your simulation theory, but you cannot use your outrageous ignorance of reality as proof that it isn't real.

All you do is read a book and regurgitate the bs,

All you do is repeat this assertion.
Boring. Really, really boring.

not bothering to ask the hard questions.

You can't even answer simple questions. I have asked more than a few that you straight-up ignored.

It’s so easy to say because the bible says it or because my science book says it… sorry but that is not evidence logic or reason.. it’s just assertions you read in a book.

And for all that ad hominem, you have provided exactly bupkes in refutation of magnetism being a physical force.

What is the force that physically moves the needle of a compass when you turn, if not magnetic?

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

Since the beginning of time.

"Physical" is the word we use for all forces described of the existence, rather than the particularities of shape, of a thing.

If you want to discuss "spiritual" or "abstracted information", maybe make a new thread for that.

There is nonetheless a "Hierarchy of Stuff".

At the very bottom lives the "fundamental quantum mechanical physical layer".

Stuff like "up/down" and "color charge" etc.

This stuff behaves pretty much "tethered" to a function of math against the "quantum" values, which themselves are numeric constants. Some approaches to describing quantum numbers allow operation with whole numbers.

This would allow considering the universe in terms of digital math rather than "true analog".

Perhaps this is where you get your binary worship from, but it is not mystical nor proof of "god".

It is the nature of several "normal functions" to have a fundamental instability at zero, such as infinite sums on sin(x*n).

It is clearly, observably a property that "nothing", depending on its nature, may be unstable, and immediately so lead to something.

How and why that function arises is a mystery, but I am pretty sure we are close to figuring out what the function "probably" is.

I say probably because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem states that we can't actually be certain we are right. It is fundamentally impossible to be certain about being right.

But above this layer is the baryonic layer, and above that is the atomic layer, and layers and layers still.

All these things interact built on those fundamental "physical interactions" and these "physical interactions" mediate any other behavior you may observe, as far as we can tell.

Way up here in the macroscopic world, a construction of fundamental physical particles, held together by electromagnetism, gravity, weak force, and strong force, then a construction of those constructions held together by the same fundamental physical forces that shit was constructed of, and then constructions of that shit in the same way, and so on until you get cells, and organs as constructions of cells, and constructions of organs as people.

Somewhere in the mix you get waves of the constructions, not just the individual particles, and waves of activity there.

They aren't exactly energy. It's more of a "state wave". Energy moves but really it's the states that are being tracked: which place there is matter/energy rather than which matter/energy is there of all the particles.

The constructions are treated fungible by the system.

As it is, what that wave is, has been described very well.

For me, though, they aren't assertions from a book. I have, myself, built a computer. Not just assembled parts but actually designed the whole processor. I have, myself, also built a neuron.

Not just assembled some parts but rather forced myself to understand the whole mathematical model, built a compiler (for the processor I designed), compiled that mathematical model into a set of machine instructions, ran that set of machine instructions on a... Ok, here I cheated and used a larger memory and swapped out for compilers other folks built, on an actual x86 processor with a few gigs of ram.

Then I put together that neuron with a few thousand other neurons. Then I taught it how to identify "negative" tweets.

All this mediated by those four physical fields.

Everything you wrote is just an assertion. A story made up to explain things in a physical universe which does not exist except as a story. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just changes form. I think therefore I am
These three remain
FAITH in memories of a past that does not exist
Anymore
HOPE for a future that does not exist
Yet
LOVE of this perception of our vibrating energy we now enjoy
These are not physical reality but angstroms decibels and firing synapses
We simply create this perception of reality to make our existence as a lonely bored singularity consciousness a more enjoyable experience.
Like telling a child a fairy tale to entertain him.

Synapses are physical, their operation physical, it's all physical.

If you wish to tell a good fairy tale, and have anyone be here entertained, get with the pigeon shitting toxic mold in Putin's eye and him dropping dead.

Synapses are also atoms subatomic particles subatomic electromagnetic energy.. that creates a non physical force. Only a perception of vibrating energy….after Putin there will just be another Putin

What you seem to be attempting to allude to is the exchange of abstract information.

That does not invalidate or in any way change the fact that it is entirely physically mediated.

No amount of thoughts or wishing will allow these interactions that are hosted entirely by physical mediation to have leverage over the physicality of the mediation.

If you wish to prove otherwise, none of us really care if there will be another later. Hop hop with the bird turd words, and put the snooze on this apocalypse.

Let me reiterate, if you want to tell a great story, let it be about that one time that guy convinced God Himself to kill a tyrant with a bird shit.

By your logic its you asking yourself to do it. Who are you to stop you from actually not being a shitty god?

You simply do not want to make an effort to understand… from the very first thought of our creator “I AM” to the Big Bang explosion of unanswerable questions that realization created. What when where how why do I know I exist?
Unanswerable questions that forced us to CREATE this perception of a physical universe.
Taking our singularity consciousness (1) and vibrating it in a universe of nothingness (0)
10011110000111. That vibrating energy creating and maintaining our existence as a consciousness. PURPOSE: to make our existence (1) in a universe of (0) a more enjoyable experience.
Evidence logic reason. I think therefore I am.
ENERGY = Perception of mass, times the speed of light squared.
mass is just the relationship between two non physical forces.., energy and light m=E/c2

No, the questions did not force us to create the universe. The universe forced us to create the questions.

You are made of material, and arrangements thereof, such that those arrangements and material ways they relate interact so as to render behavior and perception.

The behavior and perception being rendered evolved around the apparent goal of "staying alive".

Lots of stories can exist in those bounds, but those stories are hosted, not the host. The story that is the host is "these things, these physical fields, relate this way, by this pattern: physical law"

Your story is told by that, not the other way around.

Unless you wish to offer up a dictator who dies from a bird shitting in his eye.

You make an unsupportable assertion .
Subatomic electromagnetic energy waves.. are not material but they are perceived as such in our consciousness which also is just a perception of the energy we call firing synapses… physicists make assertions they can in no way support or with any evidence.. because every is a product of our consciousness.

 

[AGodForTheAtheist]

Since when is the force between like poles of a magnet a physical one.

IIRC, YOU were the one that mentioned the reaction of two magnets when their poles are brought together.
Schoolkids can actually feel the physical force when they try to make two North ends touch.
Or try pulling two industrial-strength magnets apart.
Ever look at a compass? What is the force that physically moves the needle when you turn, if not magnetic?

It's one thing to suggest nothing is physical because of your simulation theory, but you cannot use your outrageous ignorance of reality as proof that it isn't real.

All you do is read a book and regurgitate the bs,

All you do is repeat this assertion.
Boring. Really, really boring.

not bothering to ask the hard questions.

You can't even answer simple questions. I have asked more than a few that you straight-up ignored.

It’s so easy to say because the bible says it or because my science book says it… sorry but that is not evidence logic or reason.. it’s just assertions you read in a book.

And for all that ad hominem, you have provided exactly bupkes in refutation of magnetism being a physical force.

What is the force that physically moves the needle of a compass when you turn, if not magnetic?

Of course I SAID IT WAS A FORCE.. but in your ignorance of what a force is you ASSume it’s physical. But there is nothing physical.. everything can be reduced to atoms to leptons to subatomic electromagnetic energy only perceived as a physical reality.
What holds two like poles of magnets apart? A tiny version of hulk hogan? Yes THINK about it because that’s all you can do with that non physical electromagnetic energy force.

 

[steve_bank]

By force of my will I will bend you to my way way of tinkung!!!