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“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

"Compatibilism is the philosophical view that free will and determinism are compatible, meaning both can be true at the same time without logical contradiction. Compatibilists, also known as soft determinists, argue that an action is "free" if it results from the agent's own internal desires and rational deliberations, rather than being forced by external constraints."
Both definitions have problems. Determinism, according to this author, does not mean we are forced by external constraints, as if to say, our choices and decisions are not ours, but are being coerced against our will. As far as compatibilism goes, it's a complete logical contradiction since determinism and free will are polar opposites and the only way to make them compatible is to change the definition of free will, which is a sleight of hand trick. The definition this author uses is on page 42 of the book:

Chapter One

<snip>

“Do you mean to tell me there is absolutely no way all evil can be removed from our lives without knowledge of your discovery?”

“That’s absolutely true.”

“Then your discovery must be the most fantastic thing ever discovered.”

It truly is because God is showing us the way at last. However, before I show how it is possible to resolve the implications, it is necessary to repeat that I will proceed in a step-by-step manner. This dragon has been guarding an invisible key and door for many years, and this could never be made visible except for someone who saw these undeniable relations. If, therefore, you would like to learn that Man Does Not Stand Alone, as Morrison understood from his scientific observations, and that God, this Supreme Intelligence, is a mathematical reality of infinite wisdom, then what do you say we begin our voyage that will literally change the entire world. We are not interested in opinions and theories regardless of where they originate, just in the truth, so let’s proceed to the next step and prove conclusively, beyond a shadow of doubt, that what we do of our own free will (of our own desire because we want to) is done absolutely and positively not of our own free will. Remember, by proving that determinism, as the opposite of free will, is true, we also establish undeniable proof that free will is false. So, without further ado, let us begin.

Definition of Free Will:

Compatibilists redefine free will not as an absolute ability to do otherwise in every circumstance, but rather as the ability to act according to one's own desires and rational choices in the absence of external coercion" - AI Overview

Contingency is not a part of the compatibilist definition of free will.
Then why does he think Swartz modal logic somehow proves free will?
 
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"Compatibilism is the philosophical view that free will and determinism are compatible, meaning both can be true at the same time without logical contradiction. Compatibilists, also known as soft determinists, argue that an action is "free" if it results from the agent's own internal desires and rational deliberations, rather than being forced by external constraints."
Both definitions have problems. Determinism, according to this author, does not mean we are forced by external constraints, as if to say, our choices and decisions are not ours, but are being forced against our will. As far as compatibilism goes, it's a complete logical contradiction since determinism and free will are polar opposites. The definition this author uses is on page 42 of the book:

“Do you mean to tell me there is absolutely no way all evil can be removed from our lives without knowledge of your discovery?”

“That’s absolutely true.”

“Then your discovery must be the most fantastic thing ever discovered.”

It truly is because God is showing us the way at last. However, before I show how it is possible to resolve the implications, it is necessary to repeat that I will proceed in a step-by-step manner. This dragon has been guarding an invisible key and door for many years, and this could never be made visible except for someone who saw these undeniable relations. If, therefore, you would like to learn that Man Does Not Stand Alone, as Morrison understood from his scientific observations, and that God, this Supreme Intelligence, is a mathematical reality of infinite wisdom, then what do you say we begin our voyage that will literally change the entire world. We are not interested in opinions and theories regardless of where they originate, just in the truth, so let’s proceed to the next step and prove conclusively, beyond a shadow of doubt, that what we do of our own free will (of our own desire because we want to) is done absolutely and positively not of our own free will. Remember, by proving that determinism, as the opposite of free will, is true, we also establish undeniable proof that free will is false. So, without further ado, let us begin.
Definition of Free Will:

Compatibilists redefine free will not as an absolute ability to do otherwise in every circumstance, but rather as the ability to act according to one's own desires and rational choices in the absence of external coercion" - AI Overview

Contingency is not a part of the compatibilist definition of free will.
Then why does he think Swartz modal logic somehow proves free will?


If the world is deterministic, determinism includes the brain, and as the brain is the decision maker, whatever happens within the brain is, as with the world at large, determined by antecedent conditions.
 
On the off chance that anyone is reading this besides us usual suspects who have participated in this long conversation about determinism and free will, let me point out a few things.

“Possible worlds” is not sci-fi. :rolleyes: It’s just shorthand for “possible states of affairs in the actual world.”

Tomorrow, there is a possible state of affairs (possible world) in which Donald Trump will tell the truth, and a possible state of affairs (possible world) in which he lies,

Naturally, tomorrow, Trump is going to lie. He always lies, But just because he always lies and always will lie, it remains logically possible that he will tell the truth. Modal logic deals with truths of logic,

So even though Trump has always lied, lied today, and will lie tomorrow, his lying remains a contingent truth about the world

What about his past lies? Are they still contingent truths about the world? Yes! The past truths he never told are called possible non-actual worlds.

Necessary truths are not like this. Necessary truths are true in all possible states of affairs (all possible worlds). Statements that are necessarily false are false in all possible conditions (all possible worlds).

If I choose Pepsi over Coke, it is, was, and always will be, a contingent truth about the world — meaning I could have done otherwise.
This is a logical cobweb if I ever saw one. Possible non-actual worlds only mean that something would be possible if circumstances were different. That Trump could have told the truth, was possible but only if the circumstances had changed. This is the same problem as saying that it is logically possible that Trump will tell the truth in the future. Yes, that's always a possibility because people change. These possible worlds do not negate the fact that only one decision can be made each and every moment of time rendering all of these hypotheticals about logically possible and possible non-actual worlds, an unreality because they did not happen and can never happen since we cannot go back in time and make them happen. We are not talking about future contingencies. We are not even on the same page tense wise.
 
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"Compatibilism is the philosophical view that free will and determinism are compatible, meaning both can be true at the same time without logical contradiction. Compatibilists, also known as soft determinists, argue that an action is "free" if it results from the agent's own internal desires and rational deliberations, rather than being forced by external constraints."

Definition of Free Will:

Compatibilists redefine free will not as an absolute ability to do otherwise in every circumstance, but rather as the ability to act according to one's own desires and rational choices in the absence of external coercion" - AI Overview

Contingency is not a part of the compatibilist definition of free will.

It is in the sense that there must be contingent truths about the world. Otherwise we get what is called modal collapse, the idea that all truths are necessary truths. But this is obviously false.

The AI overview is OK as far as it goes but there is much more to it than that, including a variant of compatibilism called neo-Humean compatibilism

Given that the compatibilist definition of free will is related to determinism, and determinism is not contingent, inserting contingency into compatibilism is a fallacy.

So every truth is a necessary truth? But that is obviously wrong. The antecedents of every act were also contingent.
 
As I have pointed out before, DBT is mixing up determinism with predeterminism. But the latter is not supported and for that matter, neither is the former, since the world is fundamentally not deterministic, but quantum indeterministic.

Quantum indeterminism by itself does not support compatibilist free will. What does support it is that given a certain set of conditions, I will do as I please. As I’ve pointed out, which makes peacegirl freak out, her author’s writings on this are basically compatibilism.
 
"Compatibilism is the philosophical view that free will and determinism are compatible, meaning both can be true at the same time without logical contradiction. Compatibilists, also known as soft determinists, argue that an action is "free" if it results from the agent's own internal desires and rational deliberations, rather than being forced by external constraints."

Definition of Free Will:

Compatibilists redefine free will not as an absolute ability to do otherwise in every circumstance, but rather as the ability to act according to one's own desires and rational choices in the absence of external coercion" - AI Overview

Contingency is not a part of the compatibilist definition of free will.

It is in the sense that there must be contingent truths about the world. Otherwise we get what is called modal collapse, the idea that all truths are necessary truths. But this is obviously false.

The AI overview is OK as far as it goes but there is much more to it than that, including a variant of compatibilism called neo-Humean compatibilism

Given that the compatibilist definition of free will is related to determinism, and determinism is not contingent, inserting contingency into compatibilism is a fallacy.

So every truth is a necessary truth? But that is obviously wrong. The antecedents of every act were also contingent.

Consider how compatibilists define free will and determinism. Why is contingency not included? If it is included, how does it relate? The compatibilist definition doesn't need contingency.....so how would contingency relate to free will or the means and mechanisms of decision-making in any case?
 
The AI overview is OK as far as it goes
AI overviews are NEVER OK. Asking an AI for an overview of a topic is like asking an astrologer; Their response could be completely true, but as there is good reason to suspect that it could be nonsense, you cannot rely upon it - so it is valueless.

If you don't test it against a reliable source, you might be regurgitating nonsense, and if you do, then you could use that source instead - why bother with the AI at all?
 
The AI overview is OK as far as it goes
AI overviews are NEVER OK. Asking an AI for an overview of a topic is like asking an astrologer; Their response could be completely true, but as there is good reason to suspect that it could be nonsense, you cannot rely upon it - so it is valueless.

If you don't test it against a reliable source, you might be regurgitating nonsense, and if you do, then you could use that source instead - why bother with the AI at all?

The AI overview I posted gives a reasonable account of compatibilism, how determinism is defined and the differences between determinism and contingency.

An AI Overview is merely a convenient summary. The given information can be verified or refuted, whatever the case may be. There are any number of philosophy sites, textbooks or articles that deal with these concepts in detail.

If an AI summary is incorrect, that should be addressed, not casually dismissed because it's an AI Overview, and these are ''never ok.''
 
The AI overview is OK as far as it goes
AI overviews are NEVER OK. Asking an AI for an overview of a topic is like asking an astrologer; Their response could be completely true, but as there is good reason to suspect that it could be nonsense, you cannot rely upon it - so it is valueless.

If you don't test it against a reliable source, you might be regurgitating nonsense, and if you do, then you could use that source instead - why bother with the AI at all?

The AI overview I posted gives a reasonable account of compatibilism, how determinism is defined and the differences between determinism and contingency.
No, it gives an account of unknown value.
An AI Overview is merely a convenient summary.
No, it's only convenient if you don't take the time to check it.

In which case it is no longer "reasonable".
The given information can be verified or refuted, whatever the case may be.
Indeed. And must be, before it can be treated as more valuable than what Dave down the pub reckons.
There are any number of philosophy sites, textbooks or articles that deal with these concepts in detail.
Indeed. You could, and should, have quoted one.
If an AI summary is incorrect, that should be addressed, not casually dismissed because it's an AI Overview, and these are ''never ok.''
I am not casually dismissing it; I am expressing abject horror that supposedly intelligent people might think that it was "reasonable" or "convenient", when it is neither.

A lot of money and effort has been put in to persuading the world that this nonsense is acceptable. But like the similarly and unreasonably popular astrology and psychic mediums, it is NOT a source of usable information, and should not be presented as such.
 
"Compatibilism is the philosophical view that free will and determinism are compatible, meaning both can be true at the same time without logical contradiction. Compatibilists, also known as soft determinists, argue that an action is "free" if it results from the agent's own internal desires and rational deliberations, rather than being forced by external constraints."

Definition of Free Will:

Compatibilists redefine free will not as an absolute ability to do otherwise in every circumstance, but rather as the ability to act according to one's own desires and rational choices in the absence of external coercion" - AI Overview

Contingency is not a part of the compatibilist definition of free will.

It is in the sense that there must be contingent truths about the world. Otherwise we get what is called modal collapse, the idea that all truths are necessary truths. But this is obviously false.

The AI overview is OK as far as it goes but there is much more to it than that, including a variant of compatibilism called neo-Humean compatibilism

Given that the compatibilist definition of free will is related to determinism, and determinism is not contingent, inserting contingency into compatibilism is a fallacy.
This is where I use a slightly different definition, which does not change the fact that will is not free. Our choices are based on the contingent options that are at our disposal. This entire process of considering options, gathering information, and making decisions are done by the brain and unfold as part of a deterministic process. It's not linear where antecedent events are a direct cause. The problem with the definition implies that antecedent or past events cause the present, when the past doesn't CAUSE anything. It doesn't exist. Everything we do is in the present. We remember certain events which are stored in our memory banks to pull up when we need them. This is an important distinction that changes everything in understanding how we can prevent the very things no one wants, you know, things like war, crime, and murder. IOW, by saying that we were caused by antecedent events (or the past) to kill someone, it allows a person to shift his responsibility by saying, "Determinism made me do it." In correcting the definition of determinism, we are able to reconcile "doing something of one's own accord (what libertarians and compatibilists falsely call free will) with "determinism" or the fact that will is not free. This is something not to handwave away because this more accurate definition doesn't remove our ability to choose one thing over another, but it keeps determinism intact. Having no free will is a gift to humanity because without it our world would be in utter shambles (more than it is now) with no way to make sense of anything. And even more importantly, we would not be able to achieve peace on earth, which is now within our reach.
 
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The AI overview is OK as far as it goes
AI overviews are NEVER OK. Asking an AI for an overview of a topic is like asking an astrologer; Their response could be completely true, but as there is good reason to suspect that it could be nonsense, you cannot rely upon it - so it is valueless.

If you don't test it against a reliable source, you might be regurgitating nonsense, and if you do, then you could use that source instead - why bother with the AI at all?

The AI overview I posted gives a reasonable account of compatibilism, how determinism is defined and the differences between determinism and contingency.
No, it gives an account of unknown value.

Compatibilist free will has its definition, as does determinism, just as compatibilists define it to be . A reasonable summary of both have been given.

An AI Overview is merely a convenient summary.
No, it's only convenient if you don't take the time to check it. In which case it is no longer "reasonable".

It's not even controversial. Both are generally accepted definitions. They have been given many times, even by compatibilists on this forum. Done to death in fact.


The given information can be verified or refuted, whatever the case may be.
Indeed. And must be, before it can be treated as more valuable than what Dave down the pub reckons.

If there are errors in the given definitions, they can be pointed out. Compatibilism is not that complicated.
There are any number of philosophy sites, textbooks or articles that deal with these concepts in detail.
Indeed. You could, and should, have quoted one.

It's been done over the course of countless pages in these threads

Easy to find, from Stanford, for instance.

Free Will and the Problem of Causal Determinism

''Compatibilism emerges as a response to a problem posed by causal determinism. But what problem is that? Well, suppose, as the thesis of causal determinism tells us, that everything that occurs is the inevitable result of the laws of nature and the state of the world in the distant past. If this is the case, then everything human agents do flows from the laws of nature and the way the world was in the distant past. But if what we do is simply the consequence of the laws of nature and the state of the world in the distant past—then we cannot do anything other than what we ultimately do. Nor are we in any meaningful sense the ultimate causal source of our actions, since they have their causal origins in the laws of nature and the state of the world long ago. Determinism therefore seems to prevent human agents from having the freedom to do otherwise, and it also seems to prevent them from being the sources of their actions. If either of these is true, then it’s doubtful that human agents are free or responsible for their actions in any meaningful sense.

These lines of argument, which have been regimented in the work of Ginet (1966), van Inwagen (1975, 1983), Wisdom (1934), Mele (1995), and Pereboom (1995, 2001), among many others, present a real problem for those who are inclined to think that we are free and responsible for our choices and actions and that the natural world might operate as a deterministic system (or if not completely deterministic, one in which an indeterminism is merely stochastic noise that is causally irrelevant at the level of human agency). How to respond to such arguments? On the one hand, incompatibilists accept (some version of at least one of) these arguments and so insist that our self-conception as free and responsible agents would be seriously misguided if causal determinism turns out to be true. Some incompatibilists argue for these conclusions indirectly—first by arguing that determinism precludes freedom or control and then second by arguing that such freedom is necessary for moral responsibility. Other incompatibilists argue directly that causal determinism precludes moral responsibility.''

If an AI summary is incorrect, that should be addressed, not casually dismissed because it's an AI Overview, and these are ''never ok.''
I am not casually dismissing it; I am expressing abject horror that supposedly intelligent people might think that it was "reasonable" or "convenient", when it is neither.

A lot of money and effort has been put in to persuading the world that this nonsense is acceptable. But like the similarly and unreasonably popular astrology and psychic mediums, it is NOT a source of usable information, and should not be presented as such.

It's just a question of whether the given information is accurate. In this case it wasn't even controversial.

I'm sure we are all familiar with the definitions of compatibilism, determinism, contingency, etc, by now.
 
"Compatibilism is the philosophical view that free will and determinism are compatible, meaning both can be true at the same time without logical contradiction. Compatibilists, also known as soft determinists, argue that an action is "free" if it results from the agent's own internal desires and rational deliberations, rather than being forced by external constraints."

Definition of Free Will:

Compatibilists redefine free will not as an absolute ability to do otherwise in every circumstance, but rather as the ability to act according to one's own desires and rational choices in the absence of external coercion" - AI Overview

Contingency is not a part of the compatibilist definition of free will.

It is in the sense that there must be contingent truths about the world. Otherwise we get what is called modal collapse, the idea that all truths are necessary truths. But this is obviously false.

The AI overview is OK as far as it goes but there is much more to it than that, including a variant of compatibilism called neo-Humean compatibilism

Given that the compatibilist definition of free will is related to determinism, and determinism is not contingent, inserting contingency into compatibilism is a fallacy.

So every truth is a necessary truth? But that is obviously wrong. The antecedents of every act were also contingent.
It is a necessary truth not as one plus one equals two, but as a choice that was made based on what the options were and what gave "greater satisfaction" at that moment. What is it you don't get Pood? You seem to be trying very hard to make it appear as if "necessary truths" that cannot be changed versus "contingent truths" that take time to consider, allow for free will. This is so far from the truth, it's total hogwash to say that contingent truths, by definition, are not necessary, which couldn't be more false if you tried.
 
The AI overview is OK as far as it goes
AI overviews are NEVER OK. Asking an AI for an overview of a topic is like asking an astrologer; Their response could be completely true, but as there is good reason to suspect that it could be nonsense, you cannot rely upon it - so it is valueless.

If you don't test it against a reliable source, you might be regurgitating nonsense, and if you do, then you could use that source instead - why bother with the AI at all?

I didn’t say it was OK to use it, only that the repl was OK insofar as it went, which wasn’t very far. But human summaries are usually superficial, too,
 
Indeed. And must be, before it can be treated as more valuable than what Dave down the pub reckons.

Hey, I resemble that remark! My name IRL is Dave and I often explain shit to people in the pub, so … For example, once I tried to explain to a friend about the fabled two-slit experiment in a pub, but he didn’t give a shit, so there’s that.
 

Easy to find, from Stanford, for instance.

Free Will and the Problem of Causal Determinism
''Compatibilism emerges as a response to a problem posed by causal determinism. But what problem is that? Well, suppose, as the thesis of causal determinism tells us, that everything that occurs is the inevitable result of the laws of nature and the state of the world in the distant past. If this is the case, then everything human agents do flows from the laws of nature and the way the world was in the distant past. But if what we do is simply the consequence of the laws of nature and the state of the world in the distant past—then we cannot do anything other than what we ultimately do. Nor are we in any meaningful sense the ultimate causal source of our actions, since they have their causal origins in the laws of nature and the state of the world long ago. Determinism therefore seems to prevent human agents from having the freedom to do otherwise, and it also seems to prevent them from being the sources of their actions. If either of these is true, then it’s doubtful that human agents are free or responsible for their actions in any meaningful sense.

These lines of argument, which have been regimented in the work of Ginet (1966), van Inwagen (1975, 1983), Wisdom (1934), Mele (1995), and Pereboom (1995, 2001), among many others, present a real problem for those who are inclined to think that we are free and responsible for our choices and actions and that the natural world might operate as a deterministic system (or if not completely deterministic, one in which an indeterminism is merely stochastic noise that is causally irrelevant at the level of human agency). How to respond to such arguments? On the one hand, incompatibilists accept (some version of at least one of) these arguments and so insist that our self-conception as free and responsible agents would be seriously misguided if causal determinism turns out to be true. Some incompatibilists argue for these conclusions indirectly—first by arguing that determinism precludes freedom or control and then second by arguing that such freedom is necessary for moral responsibility. Other incompatibilists argue directly that causal determinism precludes moral responsibility.''

The bit you quoted from Stanford begins, “on the one hand…” without supplying the other hand.

Everything I’m about to say I have said many times before. If someone new wants to join the convo, great. If not, there’s no I reason to go round the block for the 101st time when we, the usual suspects, have already been around it 100 times.

A compatibilist, especially a neo-Humean compatibilist, is going to challenge the very first premise of the so-called problem: the laws of nature.

He will point out, correctly in my view, that “laws” is a is misnomer. As the aforementioned Norman Swartz has argued, there are no “laws” of nature. What we call “laws,” contra Newton and others, are merely descriptions of stuff that happens. “Laws” have no coercive or causal efficacy. They are not prescriptive. They are descriptive.


So the whole framing of the alleged problem fails from the get-go. As Swartz says, the “laws” of nature are a hangover from theism. Newton thought there was a lawgiver (God), and the laws of nature are his laws. But they are not. They are descriptions of what happens in the world.

So what is the problem? There isn’t any.

There is only one actual world. In fact there may be others, under the quantum multiverse or David Lewis’s modal multiverse, but the only world we have access to is the one we call actual. So every moment of every day I must choose something in the actual world. Even not choosing among available alternatives if a form of choosing: choosing not to choose.

Standard compatibilism says that when I choose, my choice is free insofar as it is done according to my desire and free of impediment by external factors.

Some compatibilists affirm that we could not choose other than what we did, given antecedent circumstances.

I disagree. I think these compatibilists have failed to attend to modal logic, “modal” meaning modes of being.

My view is that we CAN always choose differently, given antecedent circumstances, only that we WILL not.

This is because all our choices are contingent (could have been otherwise).

If we could “back up” the whole history of the world and replay it again and again, it might well be true that I would always choose Coke over Pepsi.

It does not logically follow that I HAVE TO do that. I will do it always, again and again, because I WANT TO.

Give me DIFFERENT antecedents, I might want to choose Pepsi instead.

Which is compatibilism. And sounds very much like peacegirl’s author was arguing for, but apparently without knowing it.
 
It makes no sense, sorry. And it's not because I say so. The reasons why it has no merit have been explained more than enough times, only to be ignored or brushed aside and the claim repeated.
I've said everything I can to keep your interest. If I haven't, so be it. You can move on DBT, no one is keeping you here.

No one is keeping any of us here, yet here we are.
I thought determinism was making you be here? :unsure:

If determinism is true, it doesn’t depend on someone being there to make you do something, but that events unfold or evolve as they must.

As they do, not as they must. Same old modal fallacy.

With no possible alternate action, "must" describes the evolution or progression of events well enough, as does necessitation.

The word is not the thing. How the system works is not changed by the words we use.

I merely refer to determinism as compatibilists define it to be. As an incompatibilist, I don't dispute the compatibilist definition of determinism, which is not the point of contention.

Anyhow, this has been done to death, so I don't want to get into it again.

Nor I, but there are possible alternate actions. This is where you err. All alternatives are possible. The one that is realized is the one that is, not the one that must be. This is your modal fallacy again and again,
In different situations, it's obvious that when something is contingently true, our choices could be different depending on the antecedents that are being considered, but this changes nothing as far as the falseness [of the free will belief] that we could have chosen otherwise at that exact time and place. We can only move in the direction that gives us "greater satisfaction", not less, which would reverse the direction of life itself. This doesn't mean we can't find greater satisfaction saving someone else's life at the risk of losing our own. This desire to help others when every minute counts is also in the direction of greater satisfaction. To think we are free to choose either/or (which is how free will is defined) when there are meaningful differences between those options, wouldn't make a bit of difference. Then why were we given the attribute of contemplation if not to determine which alternative is the most preferable in our eyes? It would mean someone could easily choose A (to kill someone) or B (not to kill them) because there would be no compulsion in either direction, which is obviously false.
 
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It makes no sense, sorry. And it's not because I say so. The reasons why it has no merit have been explained more than enough times, only to be ignored or brushed aside and the claim repeated.
I've said everything I can to keep your interest. If I haven't, so be it. You can move on DBT, no one is keeping you here.

No one is keeping any of us here, yet here we are.
I thought determinism was making you be here? :unsure:

If determinism is true, it doesn’t depend on someone being there to make you do something, but that events unfold or evolve as they must.

As they do, not as they must. Same old modal fallacy.

With no possible alternate action, "must" describes the evolution or progression of events well enough, as does necessitation.

The word is not the thing. How the system works is not changed by the words we use.

I merely refer to determinism as compatibilists define it to be. As an incompatibilist, I don't dispute the compatibilist definition of determinism, which is not the point of contention.

Anyhow, this has been done to death, so I don't want to get into it again.

Nor I, but there are possible alternate actions. This is where you err. All alternatives are possible. The one that is realized is the one that is, not the one that must be. This is your modal fallacy again and again,
This is where you err Pood. Going back in time (which is impossible, of course), you could not have chosen otherwise. All alternatives are possible as you are contemplating which option is more advantageous to you. This is done BEFORE YOUR CHOICE IS MADE, NOT AFTER, which you keep suggesting.

Going to say this one more time, since we’ve been over it again and again, and you are incapable of learning anything. All contingent acts (acts that cold have been otherwise) are contingent before, during, and after they are executed. Norman Swartz calls this the Principle of the Fixity of Modal Status. Not only are such acts always contingently true, they are necessarily always contingently true. So, you are wrong again.

If any newcomers want to discuss this topic, I might join in, but as of now the dead horse has been beaten into its constituent atoms.
How can a contingent act (acts that could have been otherwise) be reversed after the act is executed? There is no way it can be proven that another choice could have been made as this would require going back in time to see if A could have been chosen instead of B, which is impossible. All of these potential choices end at the moment of decision. They are like ghosts, or realistic mirages, that could never have been chosen at that precise moment in time because they offered less, not greater, satisfaction... which cannot be done. The fixity of modal status may always be necessarily true because what we choose is always contingent on many factors. We are not triangles, but this does not mean that in any given situation, all choices are possible after the decision was already finalized. If a similar situation presents itself where new information allows us to rethink our previous choice, we may pick a different option, but this is not what we're talking about.
 
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