Rittenhouse/Kenosha Shooting Split

[ZiprHead]

The story was that he brought the gun to the state with him.

 

[ZiprHead]

Kyle Rittenhouse's trial opens with his lawyer saying the N-word twice in court

 

[J842P]

Kyle Rittenhouse's trial opens with his lawyer saying the N-word twice in court

Oh FFS he was quoting Rosenbaum.

 

[blastula]

P.S. on the political/cultural front, the trial will not be helping the left by reminding people how violent and destructive some blm demonstrations became. Lots of testimony of burned out cars and destroyed businesses already.

They even tried to burn down the dinosaur museum. The dinosaurs didn't do nothing.




P.P.S. Happy to see that the new forum works with the youtube embedded start time. Very nice.

 

[Trausti]

P.S. on the political/cultural front, the trial will not be helping the left by reminding people how violent and destructive some blm demonstrations became. Lots of testimony of burned out cars and destroyed businesses already.

They even tried to burn down the dinosaur museum. The dinosaurs didn't do nothing.

And he’s a prosecution witness.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Rittenhouse case moving forward. However, the people he shot can not be called "victims" in court.

The men shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in August 2020 can potentially be referred to at his trial as "rioters" or "looters," a Wisconsin judge said Monday while reiterating his long-held view that attorneys should not use the word "victim."

...

"Let the evidence show what the evidence shows, that any or one of these people were engaged in arson, rioting or looting, then I'm not going to tell the defense they can't call them that," Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder said during the pre-trial hearing.

Schroeder has had a longstanding rule of not allowing prosecutors to refer to people as "victims" at trial.

I'm not certain why one bias is allowed but not others... especially when Rittenhouse is being tried for their deaths! Honestly, I think this call is cause for an appeal. Heck, the quote above almost seems to disqualify him to judge this.

I'd go with "human beings" then.

Maybe they can go with "murderees", or "formerly living persons who became deceased immediately after being shot by the defendant".

When Beasts Loot, Our Best Shoot

How about "dirtbags taking a dirt nap"? But, regrettably, it may not pass Cancel Culture muster.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I do hope he is charged with weapons charges and is never allowed to posess a firearm again.

But, but, but 2nd Amendment!

NRA Chickenhawks

"The security of a free state" depends on private citizens having weapons and using them when the enemies of society run wild. In a society that wants to be secure, the people who would have their Second Amendment rights taken away are those students at the San Bernardino college shootings who ran to their cars, in which they had guns, and drove off.

 

[KeepTalking]

Rittenhouse case moving forward. However, the people he shot can not be called "victims" in court.

The men shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in August 2020 can potentially be referred to at his trial as "rioters" or "looters," a Wisconsin judge said Monday while reiterating his long-held view that attorneys should not use the word "victim."

...

"Let the evidence show what the evidence shows, that any or one of these people were engaged in arson, rioting or looting, then I'm not going to tell the defense they can't call them that," Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder said during the pre-trial hearing.

Schroeder has had a longstanding rule of not allowing prosecutors to refer to people as "victims" at trial.

I'm not certain why one bias is allowed but not others... especially when Rittenhouse is being tried for their deaths! Honestly, I think this call is cause for an appeal. Heck, the quote above almost seems to disqualify him to judge this.

I'd go with "human beings" then.

Maybe they can go with "murderees", or "formerly living persons who became deceased immediately after being shot by the defendant".

When Beasts Loot, Our Best Shoot

How about "dirtbags taking a dirt nap"? But, regrettably, it may not pass Cancel Culture muster.

Nah, the judge already covered the things that they can be called that will prejudice the jury against them, therefor the fun is in coming up with things to call them that will prejudice the jury against Rittenhouse, since "victims" is off the table.

 

[Derec]

17 year old Trayvon Martin is referred to as a teenager.

There were some on FRFB who insisted he was a "child". I would gladly quote you specifics, but unfortunately I can't get into the archives.
And don't get me started on the media using photos of Trayvon when he was about 12. They are not doing that for Kyle, that's for sure!

We all have a pretty good idea what you would have said if either one had had an AR-15, knowingly and deliberately went to an area where a confrontation was likely to occur, and wound up killing a couple of white guys. It will be very interesting to see what standards you try to apply here, given your posting history.

BS. Self-defense is self-defense, no matter your color.

 

[Derec]

You are basically showing that his basic intentions were good. I don't think it's disputed that he felt he was on the side of good. The question is whether he stepped over the line into vigilantism.

So we agree his intentions were good. That can't be said of the guys who attacked him, however.
And even if he "stepped over the line", he is massively overcharged for political reasons.

 

[Derec]

Also, it would be nice if we used a non-race based standard for determining what constitutes bad behavior. What 17 year old Rittenhouse did was much more bad than anything 17 year old Martin did.

Trayvon dealt drugs. He likely stole some jewelry. He attacked a guy.

Kyle on the other hand cleaned up graffiti written by #BLM/Antifa vandals. He wanted to protect businesses because the same vandals torched a bunch of businesses the previous night. He was attacked by three people, two of them felons, and he defended himself.

You might be able to make the case that Rittenhouse's actions were of a similar level of badness as Rice's right up to the point when Rittenhouse started shooting, but Rice wasn't even a teenager yet.

I do not know why we are talking about Rice yet again. That was a tragedy on all counts- he should not have been playing around with a realistic replica and the police officers should have taken more time to assess the situation. But note that he was big for his age, >95th percentile. He was basically the height and build of Z, just as a comparison.

 

[Derec]

I'm not so sure he knew his possesion of that AR was illegal.

I am not even sure his possession was illegal. There seems to be a long gun loophole in Wisconsin law. He was still stupid to have went to the riot, even if his intentions were good, and even if ultimately it wasn't his fault that he was attacked by a mentally ill arsonist and child molester.

 

[Derec]

Where did he lie?

He claimed Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in the back for example.

 

[Arctish]

17 year old Trayvon Martin is referred to as a teenager.

There were some on FRFB who insisted he was a "child". I would gladly quote you specifics, but unfortunately I can't get into the archives.
And don't get me started on the media using photos of Trayvon when he was about 12. They are not doing that for Kyle, that's for sure!

We all have a pretty good idea what you would have said if either one had had an AR-15, knowingly and deliberately went to an area where a confrontation was likely to occur, and wound up killing a couple of white guys. It will be very interesting to see what standards you try to apply here, given your posting history.

BS. Self-defense is self-defense, no matter your color.

So you're finally willing to admit that the teenager attacked by that thug George Zimmerman had the right to defend himself? You would defend Martin even if Zimmerman had been shot and killed?

 

[Arctish]

Also, it would be nice if we used a non-race based standard for determining what constitutes bad behavior. What 17 year old Rittenhouse did was much more bad than anything 17 year old Martin did.

Trayvon dealt drugs. He likely stole some jewelry. He attacked a guy.

Kyle on the other hand cleaned up graffiti written by #BLM/Antifa vandals. He wanted to protect businesses because the same vandals torched a bunch of businesses the previous night. He was attacked by three people, two of them felons, and he defended himself.

You might be able to make the case that Rittenhouse's actions were of a similar level of badness as Rice's right up to the point when Rittenhouse started shooting, but Rice wasn't even a teenager yet.

I do not know why we are talking about Rice yet again. That was a tragedy on all counts- he should not have been playing around with a realistic replica and the police officers should have taken more time to assess the situation. But note that he was big for his age, >95th percentile. He was basically the height and build of Z, just as a comparison.

Bullshit, bullshit, and bullshit.

None of your assertions is backed up by facts. All you have are rumors endlessly repeated in a lame attempt to exonerate Zimmerman for killing an unarmed teenager he saw walking home from the store while talking to a friend on a cell phone.

Zimmerman's history of violence is documented through witness testimony and at least one guilty plea. His taking a gun with him when he went in pursuit of a teenager he had racially profiled is beyond dispute, as is his firing the one and only shot.

I don't disagree that Rittenhouse 's young age and probable fright should be taken into account but your double standards here are grotesque.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Juror dismissed for being an idiot.

juror was dismissed in Kyle Rittenhouse's homicide trial Thursday morning after he told a joke to a deputy earlier this week about the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

The incident occurred when a male juror being escorted to his car made a joke about the shooting, Judge Bruce Schroeder said.

"I'm going to summarize what I remember, what I was told," Schroeder said. "He was telling a joke ... he told the officer ... he made a reference about telling a joke about 'Why did it take seven shots to shoot Jacob Blake,' something to that effect."

This isn't one of those 'it is just a joke' situations... it is 'just a joke idiots tell a fucking officer while on a jury that'll face intense scrutiny?!'.

My feelings is, it was nothing to do with the case. It was nothing to do with Kyle and his charges.

Fucking moron!

 

[Derec]

Don't leave us hanging, judge. What was the punchline?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Don't leave us hanging, judge. What was the punchline?

After a little googling, it appears that the answer is that the cop ran out of bullets.

 

[blastula]

Where did he lie?

He claimed Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in the back for example.

Yes, he said the coroner said that. So, where did he lie?

 

[Derec]

After a little googling, it appears that the answer is that the cop ran out of bullets.

How is that racially biased? Stupid to say to a bailiff, but it is not racially biased.