Rittenhouse/Kenosha Shooting Split

[Derec]

Most 17 year olds hold many different abs perhaps conflicting career abs life aspirations. Rittenhouse’s is just ….very conveniently timed.

Why are you so interested in some 17 year old boy's abs?

 

[Derec]

Obviously trump was right to want to shoot violent protesters. The Capitol Police ...

Wrong thread!

“Right to protest” doesn’t include killing and injuring cops, and certainly doesn’t include causing the dreaded PROPERTY DAMAGE!!!

Nobody is claiming it does, but thanks for the straw man.
Now ask yourself why you and your fellow leftists only condemn all this in one single instance and not in the myriad instances it happened since 2014 (and especially throughout 2020).

 

[Derec]

If cops hadn’t shot up some unarmed guy whose small children were in the back of the car, there wouldn’t have been unrest in Kenosha.

Toni, give it a rest with your misinformation!
1. Jacob Blake was armed. He was holding a knife.
2. The vehicle was not his.
3. He did not have custody of the kids.
4. He had a felony sexual assault warrant.


And note that even if the shooting was not justified, rioting, looting and arson certainly is not.

If there were not dozens and dozens and dozens of other instances of cops shooting unarmed people, there would not be these demonstrations and protests that turn into riots with collateral damage, both property and human.

Most police shootings involve armed subjects. And often unarmed subjects can also be a threat justifying use of lethal force. If the police officer is too hesitant in shooting, un unarmed assailant can disarm that police officer and use his or her weapon against the cop. This has happened numerous times in the past.
Also, often armed perps also precipitate rioting. Jacob Blake was armed. Mario Woods was armed. Keith Smith was armed (it was not a book after all!)

It is hard to have peace without justice.

What justice? Jacob Blake - no matter how much Kamala Harris is proud of him - brought the shooting on himself.

 

[Derec]

It also does not include the right to be hunted down and killed

None of the shootees were "hunted down". JR chased KR and grabbed the barrel of his rifle. AH chased KR and hit him with a skateboard while also trying to grab his rifle. GG pointed his illegally carried handgun at KR.
It is a lie to suggest that KR "hunted down" anybody. If anything, he was the hunted.

by AR toting idiots who think they are fucking patriots, but are in reality fascists.

To the communist Antifas, everybody to the right of Leon Trotsky is considered a "fascist".

 

[Arctish]

Rex Huppke: Guilty or innocent, Kyle Rittenhouse should disgust us all​

Wisconsin State Journal:

Is our common sense so eroded by political divisions and tragically twisted concepts of masculinity that we can’t all agree that no 17-year-old should be traipsing around any city at any time of day with a weapon like that?


Are we ready to start heroizing teen vigilantism? Do we want untrained youth whose prefrontal cortexes, the part of the brain responsible for controlling impulses, aren’t fully developed, patrolling streets with deadly weapons?

Does anyone really think that’s going to end well? It certainly didn’t in Kenosha.
The bottom line is this: The people hailing Rittenhouse as a good ol’ American boy who had the guts to stand up to lawbreakers are only doing so because they’re OK with the type of people he killed. In the Rittenhouse-as-hero narrative, the three men he gunned down were not people on the opposite side of the ideological fence — they were the enemy. They were either supportive of or consorting with groups protesting the police. They were, as Carlson wrote, “filth.”

This is all wrong. This is all wildly, fundamentally wrong. We can disagree over the individual circumstances of these or any other cases. But we can’t ignore the vastly different ways a white teen and a teenager of color are treated when they’re armed. And we can’t, for the love of God, encourage, revere or in any way normalize armed young people acting like judge, jury and executioner.

Rittenhouse’s presence in Kenosha was as abnormal as it was unnecessary. We should be disgusted by it. We should be disgusted by him and by anyone cheering him, no matter the jury’s verdict.

If we can’t agree on that, if we can’t see what’s happening here and recognize it as a profound problem, we’ve lost our center, our sense of decency and our minds.

 

[ZiprHead]

A video of him has been posted where he was observing people (possibly looters and others) coming out of a CVS in which he said he wished he had his gun. In other words, implying he was willing to shoot people at large who,

No. It does not imply that. It is consistent with that but it is also consistent with many other scenarios, like "they would get a fright from seeing the gun and maybe rethink their actions" or not as any kind of threat at all, like when a sitcom character says "the things you see when you haven't got a gun".

He literally says "I'd start shooting rounds at them."

I've never said anything I don't mean literally.

Sure, hon.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I think the prosecutor is trying for a mistrial.

herp derp herp derp.

That's slightly more intelligent than your usual postings.

 

[Elixir]

So what? Predacious little fuckers

"Predacious little fucker" describes Joseph Rosenbaum much better actually.

Wrong thread.

How was KR's mother an "accessory"? Please be specific.

Arming, then Transporting a kid across State lines for the purpose of shooting protesters... just a "normal" thing for you right wing extremists, so no surprise you see nothing wrong with it.

 

[Elixir]

“Right to protest” doesn’t include killing and injuring cops, and certainly doesn’t include causing the dreaded PROPERTY DAMAGE!!!

Now ask yourself why you and your fellow leftists only condemn all this in one single instance and not in the myriad instances...

Wrong thread again, Derec. Focus, dude - you can DO IT! This thread is about your boy Kyle and the people he murdered
You used to insist that YOU were a "liberal", Derec. What happened? You sure went full trumpsucker in a big way. Is it your shared love of prostitutes? That's cool... you, Trump and Jesus.... peas in a pod.

 

[Elixir]

 

[Toni]

Most 17 year olds hold many different abs perhaps conflicting career abs life aspirations. Rittenhouse’s is just ….very conveniently timed.

Why are you so interested in some 17 year old boy's abs?

Big old clumsy fingers, teeny tiny keyboard on phone.

 

[Toni]

If cops hadn’t shot up some unarmed guy whose small children were in the back of the car, there wouldn’t have been unrest in Kenosha.

Toni, give it a rest with your misinformation!
1. Jacob Blake was armed. He was holding a knife.
2. The vehicle was not his.
3. He did not have custody of the kids.
4. He had a felony sexual assault warrant.


And note that even if the shooting was not justified, rioting, looting and arson certainly is not.

If there were not dozens and dozens and dozens of other instances of cops shooting unarmed people, there would not be these demonstrations and protests that turn into riots with collateral damage, both property and human.

Most police shootings involve armed subjects. And often unarmed subjects can also be a threat justifying use of lethal force. If the police officer is too hesitant in shooting, un unarmed assailant can disarm that police officer and use his or her weapon against the cop. This has happened numerous times in the past.
Also, often armed perps also precipitate rioting. Jacob Blake was armed. Mario Woods was armed. Keith Smith was armed (it was not a book after all!)

It is hard to have peace without justice.

What justice? Jacob Blake - no matter how much Kamala Harris is proud of him - brought the shooting on himself.

He didn't have a knife in his hand. They found knife after they shot him.

It doesn't matter if it was his car or if he had custody of his kids. The police were not attempting to rescue his kids.

They shot him in front of his 3 young children, in a car. They could have very easily killed one or more of his children, rather than just traumatizing them.

I realize you are perfectly fine with police shooting as many black men as possible but a lot of people are tired of this shit and they are not all black people.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would argue that a person too young to legally carry a semiautomatic weapon into a crowded demonstration DID put a lot of people in immediate danger. Anyone could have grabbed that weapon away from that kid and started shooting. I would argue that Rittenhouse DID indeed go to that demonstration intending to shoot ‘bad guys.’

I don't think the possibility of his gun being taken is relevant to the situation.

I would further argue that the men who pursued Rittenhouse were acting in the same good faith that supposedly Rittenhouse was acting under: they were chasing someone sought by police, who had just killed an unarmed man.

I don’t agree that the first shooting was justified. But if you think Rittenhouse was justified in the first instance, you certainly should understand the actions of the second and third man: they were trying to apprehend a under suspect—which, I believe, was Rittenhouse’s wet dream.

But this is--the legality of the second and third shootings comes down to the legality of the first--and I think he provoked that.

 

[KeepTalking]

It also does not include the right to be hunted down and killed

None of the shootees were "hunted down". JR chased KR and grabbed the barrel of his rifle. AH chased KR and hit him with a skateboard while also trying to grab his rifle. GG pointed his illegally carried handgun at KR.
It is a lie to suggest that KR "hunted down" anybody. If anything, he was the hunted.

Well, it's a good thing I did not say he did. I was very clearly responding to our resident Sage, who was advocating for exactly that.

by AR toting idiots who think they are fucking patriots, but are in reality fascists.

To the communist Antifas, everybody to the right of Leon Trotsky is considered a "fascist".

I am not a communist, nor am I an Antifa, therefor you can take it as granted that I do not find everyone to the right of Trotsky to be a fascist.

 

[Elixir]

He was holding a knife.

He didn't have a knife in his hand. They found knife after they shot him.

Close enough for a right wing racist to condone shooting him. And his kids too, if they don't like it.
Leave it to Derec to whine about "wrong thread" when people drag in things he likes to deny, but then go on about the knife Jacob Blake WASN’T holding, in a thread about the murderous little white fuck.

 

[Toni]

I would argue that a person too young to legally carry a semiautomatic weapon into a crowded demonstration DID put a lot of people in immediate danger. Anyone could have grabbed that weapon away from that kid and started shooting. I would argue that Rittenhouse DID indeed go to that demonstration intending to shoot ‘bad guys.’

I don't think the possibility of his gun being taken is relevant to the situation.

I would further argue that the men who pursued Rittenhouse were acting in the same good faith that supposedly Rittenhouse was acting under: they were chasing someone sought by police, who had just killed an unarmed man.

I don’t agree that the first shooting was justified. But if you think Rittenhouse was justified in the first instance, you certainly should understand the actions of the second and third man: they were trying to apprehend a under suspect—which, I believe, was Rittenhouse’s wet dream.

But this is--the legality of the second and third shootings comes down to the legality of the first--and I think he provoked that.

There are claims that Rosenbaum grabbed at his weapon. So, that is an issue. The other two men were pursuing someone who had just shot an unarmed man and was actively being sought by the police. Whether or not the shooting of Rosenbaum can be considered self defense, there is no way that the those pursuing Rittenhouse could know if it was justified or not. They just new an armed active shooter was sought by the police abs was running through a crowd. It seems as though it was logical to attempt to prevent Rittenhouse’s escape—frankly quite brave. Maybe not wise, even if two men were not shot by Rittenhouse while pursuing him.

 

[Metaphor]

So what? Predacious little fuckers

"Predacious little fucker" describes Joseph Rosenbaum much better actually.

Wrong thread.

How was KR's mother an "accessory"? Please be specific.

Arming, then Transporting a kid across State lines for the purpose of shooting protesters...

Can nothing stop you repeating this falsehood?

just a "normal" thing for you right wing extremists, so no surprise you see nothing wrong with it.

 

[laughing dog]

So what? Predacious little fuckers

"Predacious little fucker" describes Joseph Rosenbaum much better actually.

Wrong thread.

How was KR's mother an "accessory"? Please be specific.

Arming, then Transporting a kid across State lines for the purpose of shooting protesters...

Can nothing stop you repeating this falsehood?

just a "normal" thing for you right wing extremists, so no surprise you see nothing wrong with it.

The irony of that standard is overwhelming.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It is assholes like Rittenhouse — or the adults who filled him with hatred and gave him access to a gun — who have helped turn the U.S.A. into a shit-hole country.

No, it is assholes like Rosenberg, Huber and Grosskreutz, as well as elsewhere assholes like Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman that are threatening to turn this country into a shithole country with their regular violent rioting whenever they feel upset about something.

If there weren't violent unrests in Kenosha over several days, Rittenhouse would have just chilled and we all would not know his name

Thughuggers Commit Capital Treason

A riot is a state of war. Every citizen has an obligation to use his gun to kill the rioters. They are the enemy; merely arresting them would just encourage more riots. Also, during wartime regulations about illegal possession of weapons are waived.

Where do I find this in the law?

One Riot, One Ranger

It's the natural law, which had protected civilization for millennia until the thughuggers took over. Your "rule of law" is the law of your rulers. Patriots must take the law back into our own hands.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Rittenhouse isn't the problem. Or should I say he isn't the main problem.

How many cunts who should never be near a loaded gun are going to see the OAN/Newsmax translation of this case, become inspired and go out to emulate Rittenhouse? Except because they are cunts, they are going to do it juuussst a little "better"?

I was thinking along similar lines. If Rittenhouse is not held accountable in some way, I think we are going to see a number of these yahoos wading into protests with their strap on AR 15s so they can hunt "antifas". Given that it appears to me that the judge is acting as a part of the defense team, I see very little chance of Rittenhouse being held accountable.

We Don't Need More Prisons; We Need More Morgues

That's exactly what patriots should do to our anti-American enemies. That would send the only effective message to the ruling class that empowered these ferals and feralphiles.

Patriots? Ha! You make me laugh. When right-wing assholes refuse to get a little shot and wear a simple mask to help country they are far from patriotic.

Sons of Liberty

The nightmare race traitors won't woke from: a whole generation of Rittenhouses