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barbos said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
How do your historical documents tell you that in 50 years we will know Democrats RussiaGated?
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Well, they say history repeats itself.
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The suffix “gate” is a reference to the Watergate break-in. Iow, an actual crime that in turn revealed a huge conspiracy involving almost every aspect of Nixon’s administration. So, yes, history is repeating itself and in far less than 50 years we will know the extent of the Russiagate conspiracy. Hell, we already know it. Proving it is a different matter, of course, but we certainly know what Putin did and how Trump used it to his advantage.
 
Koyaanisqatsi said:
barbos said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
How do your historical documents tell you that in 50 years we will know Democrats RussiaGated?
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Well, they say history repeats itself.
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The suffix “gate” is a reference to the Watergate break-in. Iow, an actual crime that in turn revealed a huge conspiracy involving almost every aspect of Nixon’s administration. So, yes, history is repeating itself and in far less than 50 years we will know the extent of the Russiagate conspiracy. Hell, we already know it. Proving it is a different matter, of course, but we certainly know what Putin did and how Trump used it to his advantage.
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I am not sure why are you telling me that. I was talking about british government releasing documents relating their Iranian shenanigans.
 
RUSSIAN HACKERS JUST GOT CAUGHT TARGETING TWO U.S. CONSERVATIVE THINK TANKS

But the gop are doing nothing...

Microsoft said Tuesday it had stopped a fresh Russian attack that targeted two U.S. conservative think tanks critical of Moscow.


Yet experts warn that companies such as Microsoft are playing “whack-a-mole” with the ongoing Russian threat, part of Moscow’s effort to undermine trust in U.S. institutions ahead of the midterm elections in November.


Microsoft said it had identified fake websites purporting to be from two conservative think tanks — the International Republican Institute and the Hudson Institute — and taken them offline last week.


Both groups have taken a strong stance in opposition to Russia in recent months, calling for sanctions against Moscow, exposing its human rights abuses and decrying oligarchs.
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Anyone using microsoft for anything they want to remain secure is insane.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/594emx/russian-hackers-fancy-bear-gru-microsoft
 
Well, its like if some guys are caught on camera robbing a bank and the police don't feel they have enough information to open an investigation because the bank could have been robbed by anyone. There's really no reason for them not to go and rob another bank, since it's a consequence free activity.
 
barbos said:
Koyaanisqatsi said:
The suffix “gate” is a reference to the Watergate break-in. Iow, an actual crime that in turn revealed a huge conspiracy involving almost every aspect of Nixon’s administration. So, yes, history is repeating itself and in far less than 50 years we will know the extent of the Russiagate conspiracy. Hell, we already know it. Proving it is a different matter, of course, but we certainly know what Putin did and how Trump used it to his advantage.
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I am not sure why are you telling me that. I was talking about british government releasing documents relating their Iranian shenanigans.
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Since you made no specific references to what you were talking about, nobody can be criticized for not knowing what your post was supposed to be about. In any case, this is more irrelevant whataboutism--a standard "poisoning the well" technique designed to distract from a topic. So let's get back to the actual topic.

In the latest news on the Russiagate scandal in the US, Microsoft claims to have shut down a brewing Russian cyberattack that was designed to spoof some of their servers. What they do in such cases is set up fake Microsoft servers, e.g. for downloading Office 365 software, and then use phishing attacks through email to get unwary targets to visit the sites, which load malware into the visitor's systems. In this case, the main targets were apparently conservative sites that were considered anti-Trump (or at least anti-Russian). This is not likely to have much impact on Russian attempts to subvert the 2018 election, but it is nice to think that someone is doing something to punch back. The Trump administration certainly isn't.

Here is Microsoft's official statement on the matter: We are taking new steps against broadening threats to democracy

It’s clear that democracies around the world are under attack. Foreign entities are launching cyber strikes to disrupt elections and sow discord. Unfortunately, the internet has become an avenue for some governments to steal and leak information, spread disinformation, and probe and potentially attempt to tamper with voting systems. We saw this during the United States general election in 2016, last May during the French presidential election, and now in a broadening way as Americans are preparing for the November midterm elections.

Broadening cyberthreats to both U.S. political parties make clear that the tech sector will need to do more to help protect the democratic process. Last week, Microsoft’s Digital Crimes Unit (DCU) successfully executed a court order to disrupt and transfer control of six internet domains created by a group widely associated with the Russian government and known as Strontium, or alternatively Fancy Bear or APT28. We have now used this approach 12 times in two years to shut down 84 fake websites associated with this group. Attackers want their attacks to look as realistic as possible and they therefore create websites and URLs that look like sites their targeted victims would expect to receive email from or visit. The sites involved in last week’s order fit this description.

We’re concerned that these and other attempts pose security threats to a broadening array of groups connected with both American political parties in the run-up to the 2018 elections. That’s why today we are expanding Microsoft’s Defending Democracy Program with a new initiative called Microsoft AccountGuard. This initiative will provide state-of-the-art cybersecurity protection at no extra cost to all candidates and campaign offices at the federal, state and local level, as well as think tanks and political organizations we now believe are under attack. The technology is free of charge to candidates, campaigns and related political institutions using Office 365.

As a special master appointed by a federal judge concluded in the recent court order obtained by DCU, there is “good cause” to believe that Strontium is “likely to continue” its conduct. In the face of this continuing activity, we must work on the assumption that these attacks will broaden further. An effective response will require even more work to bring people and expertise together from across governments, political parties, campaigns and the tech sector.
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See also BBC News story: Microsoft claims win over 'Russian political hackers'

The Wikipedia page  Fancy Bear has more background information on the GRU's cyberwarfare activities.
 
I also found this interesting article on Russian public opinion regarding Russian meddling in US elections: US election meddling: 71% of Russians believe Putin denial, poll finds.

So many here think that barbos is being insincere about his opinions regarding Russia's meddling, but what he says is in line with what most Russians believe. I'm just not sure that pollsters will find as many people in Russia who are willing to express honest opinions to them, given that there is no downside to expressing support for Putin. So I think that a solid majority does take Putin's denials at face value, but probably not 71%.
 
Copernicus said:
Since you made no specific references to what you were talking about, nobody can be criticized for not knowing what your post was supposed to be about. In any case, this is more irrelevant whataboutism--a standard "poisoning the well" technique designed to distract from a topic. So let's get back to the actual topic.

In the latest news on the Russiagate scandal in the US, Microsoft claims to have shut down a brewing Russian cyberattack that was designed to spoof some of their servers. What they do in such cases is set up fake Microsoft servers, e.g. for downloading Office 365 software, and then use phishing attacks through email to get unwary targets to visit the sites, which load malware into the visitor's systems. In this case, the main targets were apparently conservative sites that were considered anti-Trump (or at least anti-Russian). This is not likely to have much impact on Russian attempts to subvert the 2018 election, but it is nice to think that someone is doing something to punch back. The Trump administration certainly isn't.

Here is Microsoft's official statement on the matter: We are taking new steps against broadening threats to democracy

It’s clear that democracies around the world are under attack. Foreign entities are launching cyber strikes to disrupt elections and sow discord. Unfortunately, the internet has become an avenue for some governments to steal and leak information, spread disinformation, and probe and potentially attempt to tamper with voting systems. We saw this during the United States general election in 2016, last May during the French presidential election, and now in a broadening way as Americans are preparing for the November midterm elections.

Broadening cyberthreats to both U.S. political parties make clear that the tech sector will need to do more to help protect the democratic process. Last week, Microsoft’s Digital Crimes Unit (DCU) successfully executed a court order to disrupt and transfer control of six internet domains created by a group widely associated with the Russian government and known as Strontium, or alternatively Fancy Bear or APT28. We have now used this approach 12 times in two years to shut down 84 fake websites associated with this group. Attackers want their attacks to look as realistic as possible and they therefore create websites and URLs that look like sites their targeted victims would expect to receive email from or visit. The sites involved in last week’s order fit this description.

We’re concerned that these and other attempts pose security threats to a broadening array of groups connected with both American political parties in the run-up to the 2018 elections. That’s why today we are expanding Microsoft’s Defending Democracy Program with a new initiative called Microsoft AccountGuard. This initiative will provide state-of-the-art cybersecurity protection at no extra cost to all candidates and campaign offices at the federal, state and local level, as well as think tanks and political organizations we now believe are under attack. The technology is free of charge to candidates, campaigns and related political institutions using Office 365.

As a special master appointed by a federal judge concluded in the recent court order obtained by DCU, there is “good cause” to believe that Strontium is “likely to continue” its conduct. In the face of this continuing activity, we must work on the assumption that these attacks will broaden further. An effective response will require even more work to bring people and expertise together from across governments, political parties, campaigns and the tech sector.
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See also BBC News story: Microsoft claims win over 'Russian political hackers'

The Wikipedia page  Fancy Bear has more background information on the GRU's cyberwarfare activities.
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Your usual what-about-whataboutism and provide-the-links fallacies.
I merely pointed out an established fact that Western governments are not averse to flat out lying and manipulations any more than any other governments, russian included. Multiple examples have been provided here over the years. So there is absolutely no reason to believe that they are somehow different from the past. In fact we know they are not, becasue some of their recent lies are already known. Your usual tactics is to play dumb and then ignore the facts.
 
Yeah. I read about this very early this morning. Too bad Republicans don't give a shit because it's only directed at anti Trumpers. Is it really about Microsoft or is that Microsoft the only tech company that is trying to do something about this? And no, I don't use Microsoft for anything of value.

I honestly don't feel as if this midterm election is going to be free from hacking, especially here in Georgia where our machines have no paper trail and can be easily hacked. But, what the fuck can any of us do about this? There are five other states with similar voting machines, although I'm not sure which ones they are.
 
I wonder why these stupid russian hackers keep getting caught, why can't they change their methods or something and look more like lets say italian hackers?
 
Because of the continued attacks by Russian hackers and trolls, and because Donald Trump appears to be unilaterally undermining the sanctions that are in place, Congress is now considering the imposition of even tougher sanctions:

U.S. lawmakers seek to impose more sanctions on 'menace' Russia

These sanctions are unlikely to be voted on before the November 6 elections, but we have a situation where the President appears to be acting in the interests of, and in collusion with, a hostile foreign power. So Congress is beginning to assume foreign policy initiatives to counter the threat. This kind of action is traditionally in the hands of the President, but it is fairly obvious that Trump has no interest in pursuing such a role when it comes to Russia. Generally speaking, it is not a good idea for Congress to usurp the President's role like this, but these are very unusual times. We have never had a President who behaved as if he were working for a hostile foreign power.
 
President Donald Trump "nodded with approval" at the suggestion of a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to a court filing Friday night that seeks leniency for a former campaign aide who lied to the FBI.

Lawyers for George Papadopoulos are seeking probation, saying the foreign policy adviser misled agents during a January 2017 interview not to harm an investigation but rather to "save his professional aspirations and preserve a perhaps misguided loyalty to his master."

Papadopoulos is a pivotal figure in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation as the first Trump campaign aide to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors. The revelation that he'd been told by a professor during the campaign that Russia had "dirt" on Democrat Hillary Clinton in the form of emails helped trigger the FBI's counterintelligence investigation in July 2016 into potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign.


The 16-page defense memo paints Papadopoulos as an eager-to-please campaign aide who was in over his head and aims to counter the prosecution's narrative that Papadopoulos's deception irreparably damaged the investigation.

The defense lawyers say Papadopoulos was hired by the campaign in March 2016 despite having no experience with Russian or U.S. diplomacy. That month, he traveled to Italy and connected with a London-based professor who introduced him to a woman described as a Putin relative. That professor, Joseph Mifsud, would later tell him that individuals in Moscow possessed "dirt" on Clinton.

"Eager to show his value to the campaign," defense lawyers say, Papadopoulos suggested during a meeting with Trump and his foreign policy advisers that same month he could leverage his newfound Russian connections to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin.

"While some in the room rebuffed George's offer, Mr. Trump nodded with approval and deferred to Mr. Sessions who appeared to like the idea and stated that the campaign should look into it," defense lawyers wrote.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...trump-nodded-at-suggestion-putin-meeting.html


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