RussiaGate

[Keith&Co.]

Boy, you guys are in deep. Oh well!

Conspiracy Theorists Have a Fundamental Cognitive Problem

But is poster really a contheorist? Or does he just play one on the interwebs?

Still waiting for the ballerina

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It seems pretty clear that he is a Russian asset.

I always thought of him as an unwitting stooge. He seems too one dimensional in personality to be any kind of "secret agent". It seems crazy to think the US elected a Russian asset but I admit it does look that way when you think of all his pro-Russian words and actions, and of course the fact that they participated in his campaign.

Likewise. I don't believe he's an agent--he doesn't have the brains to maintain the deception. He's very easy to manipulate, though. There's probably a true Russian agent nearby pulling his strings but he doesn't realize they're being pulled.

 

[JohnG]

I love how your persona went from leftist to anti-Russian investigation poster with little thought.

Also, I sure the heck don't want Trump guilty of such a crime. The idea that we have a compromised President should frighten all Americans.

Frighten Americans to the point that if any of them had concrete evidence of it and withheld that information for any amount of time at all, that person or group should be jailed and publically shamed.

I admit poster, this is a good point. That if it was determined that the President was a Russian asset, WTF are they waiting for - apprehend him now no questions asked. I think the answer may be darker than that however. The US checks and balances don't work and frankly, the US constitution just doesn't work either. It's past due date was probably 1860. It's not designed for an unforeseeable future.

I try and look at this in a balanced way, considering these points along the way, but there's just way too much evidence - Russian linked shady business history, campaign collusion (proven), bold, public obstruction attempts, decisions that support Russian foreign policy, indictments, meetings, and all that outweighs any evidence that indicating he/his administration is innocent.

Consider that in order for a federal level FBI investigation to happen, they need rock solid evidence to get the ball rolling. Evidence we don't know about.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Given McConnell's still sucking on the trumpster fire's asshole and doesn't show any sign of letting up. Does anyone suppose the Russkies also have compromat on the turtle?

...or is he just that much of a flaming asshole? (Sometimes the simple answers are the correct ones.)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Given McConnell's still sucking on the trumpster fire's asshole and doesn't show any sign of letting up. Does anyone suppose the Russkies also have compromat on the turtle?

...or is he just that much of a flaming asshole? (Sometimes the simple answers are the correct ones.)

I think Merrick Garland can answer that for you.

 

[starwater]

Given McConnell's still sucking on the trumpster fire's asshole and doesn't show any sign of letting up. Does anyone suppose the Russkies also have compromat on the turtle?

...or is he just that much of a flaming asshole? (Sometimes the simple answers are the correct ones.)

Very definitely - not all of his obstructionist behavior can be completely explained away adhering to repub principles. Turtle McDonnell and the Dumpster fire are in it together. We just have found out about it yet.

 

[Elixir]

Given McConnell's still sucking on the trumpster fire's asshole and doesn't show any sign of letting up. Does anyone suppose the Russkies also have compromat on the turtle?

...or is he just that much of a flaming asshole? (Sometimes the simple answers are the correct ones.)

Very definitely - not all of his obstructionist behavior can be completely explained away adhering to repub principles. Turtle McDonnell and the Dumpster fire are in it together. We just have found out about it yet.

He certainly is acting like a co-conspirator. Almost as if there's something more important to him than his approval ratings - which suck.

 

[Gun Nut]

I feel for those people that don;t understand the difference between what THEY know and what IS known. I see it everywhere everyday. It's like if it isn;t in their news feed or on their facebook page, it doesn't exist.
Being so used to having facts at your fingertips (google) seems to make people think that they always have all the facts, even when they don't.

If someone had to prosecute a case... ANY CASE... with only the information that was publicly available, then almost certainly no one would ever be prosecuted for anything. Ever.

People who are accused of crimes have basic rights to privacy, the assumption of innocence when contrary evidence is absent, and the right to assurance that their case is not influenced by politics or other interests, beyond "pure" justice.

That is why we don't know everything, despite FEELING like we know everything (that the news reports). That is why people are confused / easily convinced that some investigation is a "witch hunt"...

"There's no evidence!!!!!"

"You mean, you are not the prosecutor so you don't know what the evidence IS"

"If they knew, they would tell us!!!!"

"No they wouldn't"

"They tell us EVERYTHING else, why wouldn't they?"

"No, they tell us a lot of things, and a lot of those things are repeated so much it just sounds like a whole lot of things... but it ain't even a little bit of EVERYTHING"

Still, I know many people for which this does not resound. If it ain't on their phone or told to them by their closest most trusted friend, then it just does not exist. Pity, that.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Given McConnell's still sucking on the trumpster fire's asshole and doesn't show any sign of letting up. Does anyone suppose the Russkies also have compromat on the turtle?

...or is he just that much of a flaming asshole? (Sometimes the simple answers are the correct ones.)

The average 79-percentage-point difference between Republicans' and Democrats' job approval ratings of President Donald Trump during his second year in office is the largest Gallup has measured in any presidential year to date. The prior record of 77 points was recorded in President Barack Obama's eighth year in office.

I think he just likes being a senator.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245996/trump-job-approval-sets-new-record-polarization.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I love how your persona went from leftist to anti-Russian investigation poster with little thought.

Also, I sure the heck don't want Trump guilty of such a crime. The idea that we have a compromised President should frighten all Americans.

Frighten Americans to the point that if any of them had concrete evidence of it and withheld that information for any amount of time at all, that person or group should be jailed and publically shamed.

I admit poster, this is a good point.

It’s a terrible “point” that betrays a gross or willful ignorance of how every single official investigation unfolds. Even the lowest on the totem pole (local police) follow an investigative procedure wherein all evidence that can possibly be discovered is first compiled and pieced together. Only after the police—i.e., the field investigators—feel they have found sufficient evidence that a particular suspect committed the particular crime do they then go to the DA to try and convince them that they have the case all locked down. Then the DA will review the evidence the police have gathered and make a determination at that point whether or not there is sufficient evidence to move to a grand jury.

If not, then the police need to go out and get more evidence. If so, then depending on what the grand jury rules, the DA will instruct the police who to arrest and who to subpoena as witnesses, etc., etc., etc.

It is always a process; never a “we found the smoking gun, so everything must happen right now.”

 

[poster]

I admit poster, this is a good point.

It’s a terrible “point” that betrays a gross or willful ignorance of how every single official investigation unfolds. Even the lowest on the totem pole (local police) follow an investigative procedure wherein all evidence that can possibly be discovered is first compiled and pieced together. Only after the police—i.e., the field investigators—feel they have found sufficient evidence that a particular suspect committed the particular crime do they then go to the DA to try and convince them that they have the case all locked down. Then the DA will review the evidence the police have gathered and make a determination at that point whether or not there is sufficient evidence to move to a grand jury.

If not, then the police need to go out and get more evidence. If so, then depending on what the grand jury rules, the DA will instruct the police who to arrest and who to subpoena as witnesses, etc., etc., etc.

It is always a process; never a “we found the smoking gun, so everything must happen right now.”

I think you watch too much Law & Order or CSI shows where everyone in law enforcement always does things by the book, never makes mistakes and has no biases.

Keep dreaming! Keep spinning!

 

[Angry Floof]

I admit poster, this is a good point.

It’s a terrible “point” that betrays a gross or willful ignorance of how every single official investigation unfolds. Even the lowest on the totem pole (local police) follow an investigative procedure wherein all evidence that can possibly be discovered is first compiled and pieced together. Only after the police—i.e., the field investigators—feel they have found sufficient evidence that a particular suspect committed the particular crime do they then go to the DA to try and convince them that they have the case all locked down. Then the DA will review the evidence the police have gathered and make a determination at that point whether or not there is sufficient evidence to move to a grand jury.

If not, then the police need to go out and get more evidence. If so, then depending on what the grand jury rules, the DA will instruct the police who to arrest and who to subpoena as witnesses, etc., etc., etc.

It is always a process; never a “we found the smoking gun, so everything must happen right now.”

I think you watch too much Law & Order or CSI shows where everyone in law enforcement always does things by the book, never makes mistakes and has no biases.

Keep dreaming! Keep spinning!

Well, no one can deny that Mueller and his team are methodical and strategic. If they were as reactive and undisciplined as the rest of us, they would have screwed everything up royally a long time ago.

These things DO take time. These kinds of big investigations take years. Compared to other huge white collar investigations, this one seems to be going at high speed.

 

[poster]

I think you watch too much Law & Order or CSI shows where everyone in law enforcement always does things by the book, never makes mistakes and has no biases.

Keep dreaming! Keep spinning!

Well, no one can deny that Mueller and his team are methodical and strategic. If they were as reactive and undisciplined as the rest of us, they would have screwed everything up royally a long time ago.

These things DO take time. These kinds of big investigations take years. Compared to other huge white collar investigations, this one seems to be going at high speed.

Strategy? What would be the "strategy" of an independent investigator other than to be independent?

That said, I do see a strategy in Mueller's methodical steps. That strategy seems to be to make any person, who he can justify in making part of his mandate pay for being Trump's friend or associate. That is about all he's been able to do. I would be in more agreement with that strategy if only everything leading up to the investigation had been on the up and up. It wasn't and that is the stain that this investigation will have in the future after all the stupid shit dies down. It will be seen as a very partisan event with lots of curruption within the intellegence community. And rightly so.

 

[Elixir]

I would be in more agreement with that strategy if only everything leading up to the investigation had been on the up and up.

Y'mean like Faux Nooz "coverage", pre-judging its conclusions?

You "I'm not a trumpsucker"s are so transparent...

 

[marc]

It will be seen as a very partisan event with lots of curruption within the intellegence community. And rightly so.

Yes, the Republican investigation into a Republican president is very partisan.

 

[TV and credit cards]

That strategy seems to be to make any person, who he can justify in making part of his mandate pay for being Trump's friend or associate.

COUNT ONE
(Guilt by Association)

1. In or around 2016 defendant did knowingly associate with and befriend ("Individual 1").


Bad people associating with other bad people. Whoever heard of such a thing? And given Mueller's sordid past, I don't blame you for making such a statement.

 

[JohnG]

I think you watch too much Law & Order or CSI shows where everyone in law enforcement always does things by the book, never makes mistakes and has no biases.

Keep dreaming! Keep spinning!

Well, no one can deny that Mueller and his team are methodical and strategic. If they were as reactive and undisciplined as the rest of us, they would have screwed everything up royally a long time ago.

These things DO take time. These kinds of big investigations take years. Compared to other huge white collar investigations, this one seems to be going at high speed.

Strategy? What would be the "strategy" of an independent investigator other than to be independent?

That said, I do see a strategy in Mueller's methodical steps. That strategy seems to be to make any person, who he can justify in making part of his mandate pay for being Trump's friend or associate. That is about all he's been able to do. I would be in more agreement with that strategy if only everything leading up to the investigation had been on the up and up. It wasn't and that is the stain that this investigation will have in the future after all the stupid shit dies down. It will be seen as a very partisan event with lots of curruption within the intellegence community. And rightly so.

You have no clue what his "strategy" is, but Trump is acting guilty AF.

If you think Flynn, Manafort, Cohen, et al are good people who are victims of a witch hunt then you should step back and re-evaluate, based on more evidence you got from Fox or "Consortium" news.

Maybe you're a die hard Republican, and that is what motivates your bias, but maybe this new version of republicans aren't the group to whom you should hitch you're cart.

Corruption in the intelligence community? How Nixonian.

 

[Elixir]

Corruption in the intelligence community? How Nixonian.

Indeed. When Mueller was hired, he was universally regarded as the best there is, and the most ethically impeccable. Even Cheato agreed.
Now that the truths he may have discovered are a threat to them, corrupt Republicans label him a witch hunter. Everyone else acknowledges that he is still the most ethical, rule-abiding prosecutor that could be assigned to the case.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I admit poster, this is a good point.

It’s a terrible “point” that betrays a gross or willful ignorance of how every single official investigation unfolds. Even the lowest on the totem pole (local police) follow an investigative procedure wherein all evidence that can possibly be discovered is first compiled and pieced together. Only after the police—i.e., the field investigators—feel they have found sufficient evidence that a particular suspect committed the particular crime do they then go to the DA to try and convince them that they have the case all locked down. Then the DA will review the evidence the police have gathered and make a determination at that point whether or not there is sufficient evidence to move to a grand jury.

If not, then the police need to go out and get more evidence. If so, then depending on what the grand jury rules, the DA will instruct the police who to arrest and who to subpoena as witnesses, etc., etc., etc.

It is always a process; never a “we found the smoking gun, so everything must happen right now.”

I think you watch too much Law & Order or CSI shows where everyone in law enforcement always does things by the book, never makes mistakes and has no biases.

Wtf has that got to do with the fact that your “point” betrayed a willful ignorance of how every single official investigation unfolds?

 

[Keith&Co.]

I think you watch too much Law & Order or CSI shows where everyone in law enforcement always does things by the book, never makes mistakes and has no biases.

Wtf has that got to do with the fact that you “point” betrayed a willful ignorance of how every single official investigation unfolds?

Looks more like a confession. POSTER seems to watch too much TV, where the audience knows every part of an active investigation, which is resolved inside of an hour. Also, we can often pick the guilty party out of a line up by the end of the first act, though the investigation won't find clinching proof until after the third commercial break...