Yes.
just so happens he was a violent pedophile barbarian.
And yes. BUT, and this is the point you are missing, these two truthful statements are completely unrelated to each other in the belief systems of Muslims.
Yeah there are good Muslims, those who know the details of Muhammad, and that is what makes them good Muslims and there are bad Muslims who don't know the details of Muhammad and that's what makes them bad Muslims.
They are related in historical reality, but belief doesn't have anything at all to do with reality.
I don't know what you are trying to express with this statement, but good Muslims know the details and bad Muslims don't
get over it, its fact.
I didn't say they all knew that he was a violent pedophile barbarian,
Good, because that would be complete bollocks.
You are showing signs of progress, don't screw it up.
that doesn't change the fact that Muslims respect him and think he is the ideal for humanity.
Indeed. But it DOES show that your claim "The good Muslims want to be violent pedophile barbarians because that is what they respect and treat as the ideal for humanity" is FALSE.
Are you drunk?
I don't know how else to put it to you.
Good Muslims know the details about Muhammad and respect him and think he is the ideal for humanity and express that however they want to, if they kill a few people, get a child bride and molest that child, and terrorize bad Muslims who don't know the details or anybody else then that is what they do and it is consistent with emulating Muhammad.
Bad Muslims don't know the details about Muhammad, some are pacifists, some are not, and they spread “Islam”, and the notion that Muhammad is worthy of respect and is the ideal for humanity.
but either way Muhammad was a violent pedophile barbarian and they respect him and think he is the ideal for humanity, whether or not the know the facts about him doesn't change their respect and reverence.
No, but it does change the essence of what they respect and revere. And as that is all that matters in terms of influencing their actions, your implication that Muslims are or should be paedophiles or barbarians is baseless.
GOOD MUSLIMS EMULATE A VIOLENT PEDOPHILE BARBARIAN NAMED MUHAMMAD.
BAD MUSLIMS DON'T EMULATE A VIOLENT PEDOPHILE BARBARIAN NAMED MUHAMMAD.
The good Muslims want to be violent pedophile barbarians because that is what they respect and treat as the ideal for humanity, the bad ones not so much because of a number of reasons possibly and one of them being they don't know the details about Muhammad.
try again.
You really don't seem to be able to grasp this, but Muslims revere a
fiction, as do all theists. And the fiction is not constrained to have any relationship to reality.
So your claim "Muslims want to be violent pedophile barbarians because that is what they respect and treat as the ideal for humanity" is total crap.
I made the distinction between good Muslims and bad Muslims, do you understand?
Your claim could only be true if all Muslims were strictly rational in their beliefs. But as we know this to be false, your claim is unfounded.
NO, I said GOOD Muslims who know the details of Muhammad's life that include violence, pedophilia, and barbarism want to do the same.
I am not saying ALL Muslims,
why don't you understand the qualifier?
Probably because you are using the word 'good' in its less common sense.
If by 'good Muslims' you mean 'Muslims who are morally good' (which is what the phrase usually would imply in English), then your argument is incoherent nonsense.
It appears, however, that by 'good Muslims' you mean 'Muslims who are particularly knowledgeable about the history of their religion, and who nevertheless follow it despite its clear moral failings'.
So morally
good people who are Muslims, you describe as '
bad Muslims', and morally
bad people who are Muslims, you describe as '
good Muslims'; which may be an attempt at a clever rhetorical point, but is wasted due to the high potential for confusion amongst your audience.
If by 'good Muslims' you mean 'Muslims who are particularly knowledgeable about the history of their religion, and who nevertheless follow it despite its clear moral failings', then your argument is NOT incoherent nonsense; it is just nonsense.
Forget 'good' or 'bad'; MOST Muslims do NOT wish to pursue violence, and even fewer want to promote or engage in paedophilia; So the first phrase of the initial assertion of yours to which I responded (and which makes no attempt to use any qualifier of 'good' or 'bad', btw):
Muslims believe that a violent pedophile barbarian named Muhammad is worthy of respect and is the ideal for humanity, I don't care if they are pacifists they still believe it.
..is only true of a tiny fraction of Muslims; and the second phrase is a statement that you have abandoned all pretence at fairness or reason; The whole rendering your generalisation of this slur to all Muslims stupid, childish and wrong - both factually and morally.
"All X believe that violence is desirable, I don't care if they are pacifists they still believe it" tells us nothing about X, but does let us know that the person making the statement has no clue what a pacifist is, or has no clue about the beliefs of 'X', or quite likely, both; or perhaps that the person making the statement is incapable of reasoned argument.
