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Sick of all the gay

Yeah, it sounds like something that would be hard to experience before you actually put to sea. Does it bother you on a ship--while it's open in one direction you have the ship itself on part of the horizon, there's no 360 view unless you're up in a crow's nest.
My only sea-going experience was on a sub tender. We spent a day going down the Clyde, then decided the Irish Sea was too rough so we'd steam around in the mouth of the Clyde, then the next day steam up the river to park back in the Loch. I think we were out of sight of land for about 1 hour, maybe.
1 island was enough to keep me happy. Just something to break the horizon.
 
Threat and fear are intertwined. The threat maybe real or imagined, but why would anyone fear something which is not perceived as a threat?

When one's pet theory, "thinking male on male sex is repulsive equates to feeling threatened of it", fails, then maybe abandon the theory rather than wonder what is wrong with the definition of words...

Okay, I'll play along. Why does gay sex repulse you?

Listen, it's okay to feel repulsed by gay sex, as long as you channel this repulsion into some kind of violence or criminal act. I understand your feelings. That does not obligate me to lie and say your behavior is not homophobic, because it makes you uncomfortable to be labeled homophobic.
 
and completely ignores the part where I clearly indicate my issue is on over-representation...
No one's ignoring that. They're just not buying it.

Can we get some actual titles, episodes, characters? How many TV shows are there on TV and in how many can you identify gay couples kissing each other on camera?
 
and you are all victim blaming me.

Oh yes, YOU'RE the victim :rolleyes:

How dare people tape your eyes open and force you to watch gay dudes make out on television! You're being victimized!


I am saying that it does not make for good entertainment...

You mean, *you* don't think it makes for good entertainment. However, since the majority of society seems perfectly well entertained by it, I'm not sure how serious we need to take your view.


and all of you that are pretending that it does are the ones that might very well be in the closet.

Okay... wtf?

I'm quite literally shaking my head at this. Us "pretending" that shows with gay intimacy in them can be good entertainment (not sure how we're 'pretending' since the entertainment is a subjective thing to begin with and we have no reason to pretend we're not entertained by it) somehow means that WE are in the closet? Huh? First of all, I'm bisexual,which I make no secret of so... huh? How am I in the closet?

Secondly, huh? Are you seriously claiming that someone who can be entertained by say, game of thrones, which has among other things male on male intimacy in it from time to time, HAS to be in the closet if they claim to be straight?

Huh?
 
You started this thread and said you were sick of seeing it all the time. That seems to me that you're already going too far.

Yes. I am tired of seeing it over represented. THAT is too far?? I also don't like watching cats get run over by cars.. only saw that in a TV show one time in the past 5 years... yet cats get run over by cars every day... shouldn't they put more cats being run over by cars in shows? why not?

First, the over-representation is a figment of your imagination. If that's your only argument, you don't have an argument.

Second, cats being run over is an entirely different pair of shoes. A cat being run over by a car is usually an unpleasant experience for all involved, so you wouldn't a prior expect it to feature frequently in light entertainment. Two people kissing, on the other hand, is usually a pleasant experience for all involved - and it doesn't have to be pleasant for you, you're not involved. In effect, you're demanding that pleasant experiences involving two people be kept out of your eyes unless they involve people of opposite sexes than (and the man's white and cleanshaved or with a well-trimmed beard, and the woman is white or Asian and at least four inches shorter and 5 years younger than him (unless they're both teenagers, in which case they have to be cosmic twins being born on the same day) and doesn't act boyish and has (if that becomes evident) shaved pubic hair - what else are you going to demand? How is your demand more reasonable than any of those?). Clear as mud, that's bigotry. It's not like you can't look away. Or may indeed cannot look away, but then it stands to reason that you're a closeted bisexual yourself.

It sure doesn't feel nice to be called a bigot. But just like you can't expect people to use what you personally like or don't like as the yardstick for their behaviour in public or on TV, you can't expect people to lie by assuring you that you're not a bigot right after you've expressed bigoted stances.

Newsflash: The world doesn't revolve around you. You should know, I suppose you're older than three, aren't you?

I am starting (just now) to believe in the "Liberal Gay Agenda" I hear the rightwingnuts go on about... shit, they may be right.. and many of you appear to have been afflicted.

Because people call you out on it when you make bigoted statements in public? It takes a conspiracy to disagree with the Obvious Truths as delivered to us by Our Lord's Servant Malintent? Yeah, that's nutty.

How many dicks have you sucked today? none? Homophobe!

No-one demands of you that you suck dicks. No-one demands of you that you watch dicks being sucked (by men, I assume). But if you make an argument against dicks being sucked (by other men) within your sight, then the same argument needs to work against dicks being sucked by women, and if it doesn't, you're applying different standards, thus being bigoted. The gay yucks me out obviously doesn't meet that standard.
 
<snip>I am saying that it does not make for good entertainment... and all of you that are pretending that it does are the ones that might very well be in the closet.

If it does not make for good entertainment for you, you can check your watch, go to the toilet, go get another beer from the fridge, or lean in to kiss your wife if you're watching with her. Whatever. You don't have to watch. If you feel you're being forced to watch, then there's probably a large part of you that cannot not watch, and your real problem is your struggle to acknowledge that that part exists. It's the best reason I can think of.
 
If it does not make for good entertainment for you, you can check your watch, go to the toilet, go get another beer from the fridge, or lean in to kiss your wife if you're watching with her.
Ouch.
Will and Grace was on for, what, 8 years? In the Top Twenty shows of the season for several seasons? That's a long time to be in the toilet...
 
will and grace, showing america that gay men can be superficial, soulless, materialistic assholes like everybody else. i tried to tell people back in the 90s when i was with queernation and actup and all that, being a target audience for a beer commercial isn't a civil rights landmark.

aight - so straight guys gross out watching us make out? just kissin and huggin or the graphic stuff? i watch lesbian sex with clinical detachment - it might as well be national geographic, but it doesn't bother me. does it gross you out to watch chimps screw? i'm being serious. i've known a few straight girls who liked gay porn - well, they like watching men be dominated and such. i hate it for ya, but watching two people of any gender make out just isn't repulsive unless you've got some big red button sticking out. are you seeing yourself doing that? why? when i watch a hot guy kiss a girl, the girl might as well be invisible, but i don't imagine myself kissing her. i've kissed girls, so what? i'm even alright with breasts, it's just the below the waist stuff where i'm all, 'aight, not so much'.

now back in the day, i did a few kiss ins and demonstrations, but you gotta understand, back then gay men were about to become an endangered species. when we said 'silence=death' we meant it. i don't do that crap anymore - gay men in america have proven to be hardcore lumpenproletariat, whose only concern is getting their piece of the pie, and i don't hold with that (the phrase is, 'bloated ticks fat off the blood of the third world'). it's just not my culture anymore. besides, if i mention anything about having been in prison, the first question is always, 'did you have any hot prison sex?' whereupon i must constrain myself in order not to knock the fuckin teeth out they mouth. i understand that people have fantasies, but not understanding the reality under that is something else. do you go into a women's shelter and ask them if they've had any hot rape experiences they'd like to share? morons.
 
If it does not make for good entertainment for you, you can check your watch, go to the toilet, go get another beer from the fridge, or lean in to kiss your wife if you're watching with her.
Ouch.
Will and Grace was on for, what, 8 years? In the Top Twenty shows of the season for several seasons? That's a long time to be in the toilet...

And there are times in the evening where it's the only show being played anywhere on all of US TV? No. If it has too much gay in it to be compatible with Malintent's phobia (yes, phobia), he's free to switch channels. A very good friend of mine has a strong phobia of syringes, because of which she can't watch medical dramas. But she isn't going around demanding that they cut it already and suspecting a conspiracy to be responsible for the fact that the number of shows with a hospital setting is way out of proportion with the number of people actually working in hospitals (which, unlike in the case of LGBT persons which are still underrepresented, though not as badly as they used to be, is almost certainly true).
 
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When one's pet theory, "thinking male on male sex is repulsive equates to feeling threatened of it", fails, then maybe abandon the theory rather than wonder what is wrong with the definition of words...

Okay, I'll play along. Why does gay sex repulse you?

I don't know. Ever watch "two girls one cup"? Why does it repulse you (or not)? I never really wondered why I am wired to find one thing gross and another not.. since these wiring options have never been overly divergent from the local norm... a.k.a, it never seemed 'weird' to be grossed out by whatever grosses me out... except maybe one thing: I am disgusted by cooked orange vegetables. Like squash and the like... the smell of it cooking, and the taste.. gross. People have commented that is weird. This little group is the first to comment that finding two men kiss gross is somehow 'weird'.. maybe there are a lot of gays on the board... whatever... mostly cool folk here either way.
Listen, it's okay to feel repulsed by gay sex, as long as you channel this repulsion into some kind of violence or criminal act. I understand your feelings. That does not obligate me to lie and say your behavior is not homophobic, because it makes you uncomfortable to be labeled homophobic.

I still reject the term 'homophobic'. It simply does not apply. I am not "squash-phobic", I just find it gross. I am not homophobic if I find myself disgusted. If I found myself fearful, hostile, or acted on my disgust in some hostile or offensive way, then sure, I guess that would be.

Maybe ya'll are just being extra politically correct. Just like having to represent "gay acceptance" as outwardly as possible on TV, you are all jumping on that "if you don't like it and fully support it, you are homophobic"
 
Maybe ya'll are just being extra politically correct. Just like having to represent "gay acceptance" as outwardly as possible on TV, you are all jumping on that "if you don't like it and fully support it, you are homophobic"
I think more then a few posters have pointed out specific parts of your posts that make them think the word applies, rather than simply figure you're not fully supporting it.

You seem to be exaggerating just how much gay smoochies there actually are on TV to offend you, so you can say the offense is at the representation, and you're minimizing everyone's actual discussion in order to marginalize it as merely being PC.
 
Maybe ya'll are just being extra politically correct. Just like having to represent "gay acceptance" as outwardly as possible on TV, you are all jumping on that "if you don't like it and fully support it, you are homophobic"
I think more then a few posters have pointed out specific parts of your posts that make them think the word applies, rather than simply figure you're not fully supporting it.

You seem to be exaggerating just how much gay smoochies there actually are on TV to offend you, so you can say the offense is at the representation, and you're minimizing everyone's actual discussion in order to marginalize it as merely being PC.

OK. I will evaluate that. Thank you.

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.. that took 5 seconds...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dramatic_television_series_with_LGBT_characters
 
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I think more then a few posters have pointed out specific parts of your posts that make them think the word applies, rather than simply figure you're not fully supporting it.

You seem to be exaggerating just how much gay smoochies there actually are on TV to offend you, so you can say the offense is at the representation, and you're minimizing everyone's actual discussion in order to marginalize it as merely being PC.

OK. I will evaluate that. Thank you.

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.. that took 5 seconds...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dramatic_television_series_with_LGBT_characters

That doesn't say what you want it to say.

That's all series that have at least one character that the viewer knows to be non-heterosexual. It doesn't mean that they're smooching on TV, it doesn't even have to mean that they're out according to the plot, and it certainly doesn't mean that they represent 50% of all characters in these series, let alone 50% of the characters in all series, which is what you claimed.

If you actually look at the list in a bit more detail, you'll find that the gay characters in half of the shows are insignificant sidekicks who only open up to one of the main character somewhere around season two. If that's "smearing shit in your face", the problem clearly is with you and no-one else.

Actual counts of LGBT characters in prime time TV yield figures of around 3%. I've posted the links before.

A list of series in which there's sometimes just one or two sidekicks who are LGBT does not work as confirmation for your claims, or as evidence that you're not massively exaggerating.
 
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Okay, I'll play along. Why does gay sex repulse you?

I don't know. Ever watch "two girls one cup"? Why does it repulse you (or not)? I never really wondered why I am wired to find one thing gross and another not.. since these wiring options have never been overly divergent from the local norm... a.k.a, it never seemed 'weird' to be grossed out by whatever grosses me out... except maybe one thing: I am disgusted by cooked orange vegetables. Like squash and the like... the smell of it cooking, and the taste.. gross. People have commented that is weird. This little group is the first to comment that finding two men kiss gross is somehow 'weird'.. maybe there are a lot of gays on the board... whatever... mostly cool folk here either way.
Listen, it's okay to feel repulsed by gay sex, as long as you channel this repulsion into some kind of violence or criminal act. I understand your feelings. That does not obligate me to lie and say your behavior is not homophobic, because it makes you uncomfortable to be labeled homophobic.

I still reject the term 'homophobic'. It simply does not apply. I am not "squash-phobic", I just find it gross. I am not homophobic if I find myself disgusted. If I found myself fearful, hostile, or acted on my disgust in some hostile or offensive way, then sure, I guess that would be.

Maybe ya'll are just being extra politically correct. Just like having to represent "gay acceptance" as outwardly as possible on TV, you are all jumping on that "if you don't like it and fully support it, you are homophobic"

You are the one who brought it up. I don't find Two Girls One Cup particularly attractive, but I didn't start a thread in hope of forming a support group. You are homophobic and also squash phobic. I'm sure you do not allow your phobias to make your exhibit antisocial behavior, which is certainly to your credit. It's easier to change your behavior than to change the meanings of words.
 
I only really resent the fact that 'they' robbed the English language of all but one of the meanings of the word 'gay'.

But it's all a matter of fashion and fashion, like all things, will pass. Also a matter of point of view. e.g.

During the glory days of the British Raj in India, Sublieutenant Handfield-Jones of the 2nd Bengal Horse, temporarily serving on the North-West Frontier, was having a peg (shot of brandy) in the Officers' Mess tent. Enter Sublieutenant Cholmondley-Smith (pronounced Chumley-Smith, don't you know).
"I say Handfield-Jones, just heard Carruthers was caught having sex with his horse."
Handfield-Jones thinks for a while. (Not easy for these types.)
"His horse or his mare?" he asks.
Cholmondley-Smith looks shocked. Red in the face he half-shouts:

"Well of course it was his MARE! There's nothing queer about Carruthers!

 
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I am not homophobic if I find myself disgusted. If I found myself fearful, hostile, or acted on my disgust in some hostile or offensive way, then sure, I guess that would be.

"If?" :confused:

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Okay, now find us a complete list of straight characters on TV and compare length to see if we can arrive at a 50/50 split.

I will bet my entire life savings on "we can't."


Also; some of those characters aren't even gay on TV. For instance, under the Walking Dead they list a character whose sexuality is gay in the comic but which is never addressed in the TV series. Also, how many of these characters fall into some offensive stereotype or are portrayed negatively purely because of their sexuality?
 
I am happy that homosexuals have come such a long way in the US, with respect to their civil rights. Acceptance of gay marriage feels like it happened overnight. 'metrosexual' is a thing... or was a fad... or something that made "gay" "cool". Congrats gays! you did very well, so far.

If someone wants to smear shit all over their face and rub up against a tree, fine, I don't care. If someone wants to smear shit in my face and bang me up against a tree... there is going to be a strong, negative reaction. I am sure many gay folks will not appreciate the analogy that 'gayness' is like smearing shit on your face.. but that is my freedom to express... just like the gay folks have the freedom to express their affection for each other, publicly, like anyone else of other sexual orientations... except the pedophiles and beastiologists.. so not everyone.

OK, so now it is cool to be gay, or whatever... I am really fucking tired of seeing it. It is just.. ugly. I find it repulsive.. like, you know, the smell of shit. My biology is programmed to repulse that which is not right for me... things are gross that are gross to me... I like chocolate, you like vanilla... all the power to you... eat that vanilla.. suck it and fuck it all you want.

My point... I like TV. I watch a lot of shows with my wife... it is something we like to do together. I am getting a little annoyed about what seems to be a "gay affirmative action" going on in entertainment lately. You can't get a new show on TV without a good helping of onscreen male on male face sucking. ENOUGH ALREADY. I get it. It is ok to be gay. Can you guys lay off the smearing it everyone's face all the time now? It's like all the back people calling each other nigger every other word... I get it, you own the word now.. good for you... does it have to be used 5 times in every sentence??

/end rant

You might feel a little better if you got a nice thick cock inside you because thinking this much about teh gays is pretty damn gay.
 
Maybe ya'll are just being extra politically correct. Just like having to represent "gay acceptance" as outwardly as possible on TV, you are all jumping on that "if you don't like it and fully support it, you are homophobic"

That seems to be a bit of a mischaracterization. There are at least a few things I could point out (which have already been pointed out, actually)
  1. You single out homosexual romances, yet speak nothing of heterosexual romances. As a matter of personal preference, sure whatever, but your post treats it like it is an agenda and an assault on you.
  2. Even though you state you know it will be offensive to some, you liken gay people kissing on television to someone smearing shit on your face and banging you up against a tree. Even setting aside the 'shit', again, you treat it as if people being gay on television victimizes you.
  3. You dramatically overstate the amount of gay kissing on television. The link you provided to that wikipedia list demonstrates that while many shows do have gay characters, those characters are a minority in the large majority of those shows. You are exaggerating the extent of the issue considerably.

So it does come off more toward the homophobic side of the equation, though it's not significant in my opinion. I also don't think you're secretly longing to let out some closeted man lust or anything; it's just conventional heteronormative bias coupled with being a little whiny.
 
I had to see the word "gay" written numerous times while reading this thread. That's the equivalent of you guys taking a chainsaw to my balls.

I need everyone to stop oppressing me. :mad:
 
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