So, besides voting (it's too late), What can we do?

[laughing dog]

The DOGE check revenue comes from wages not being paid to the cut employees. NOT printed currency.

So, when all those employees stop being able to buy stuff, what effects do you think that will have on the economy?

Not to mention all the people who will not get the services those employees provided.
Tom

During my own life whenever I lost my job to a plant closing the standard rhetoric from Chamber of Commerce and Democrats was that "No worry's, you have been freed up to find work elsewhere!". Biden said union auto workers from closed plants "should become software programmers!"

With that in mind, whats wrong with laid off federal employees finding jobs in the private industry like everyone else? Or starting their own small business? That way they are actually making products that other people can use and still earning their same paycheck to spend on the economy. Doesn't it seem more efficient for those workers to be spending their time improving your life rather than just re-spending your tax money that you could have went out and bought goods with? After all, the Chamber of Commerce and Democrats have said its no problem to re-train (after 30 years at the same job) or move across the country.

Just asking.

Many of the laid off or prospective laid off employees do productive work that improve lives which will not happen with those layoffs.

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

No one wants to work hard or lose their job which is why management always lies about how much staff they really need.

That ignores the lost service from those pointless cuts.

And why would you think these cutters have a clue what they are doing?

 

[Elixir]

"$billion" "$trillion" and "$million" are all just synonyms for "$shitloads", to people who are lilely never going to see that amount of money in one place.

Perhaps with the retirement of the US penny, we could come out with a mil - a thousandth of a penny - so some of these dullard could start to get a grasp.

 

[KCFlyer]

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

That is the way Elon does it. What tends to happen is that the top notch folks find another job and aren't afraid to say "fuck you" to a guy like Elon. So you are left with the "lesser" talent. The folks who tend to be the hardest working and most motivated are the new people....you know, the probationary employees. So with the chainsaw method you are throwing out the most motivated employees you have. But not to worry....the idiot savant has donned his ball cap and sunglasses grabbed a chainsaw some sweet photo ops.

 

[KCFlyer]

Biden said union auto workers from closed plants "should become software programmers!"

Yep..just like they did in past recessions. And many did....went to school...learned to become programmers. And now Elon wants to bring in H1B visa holders to put American programmers out of work. NOt to worry......they can become baristas.

 

[RVonse]

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

That is the way Elon does it. What tends to happen is that the top notch folks find another job and aren't afraid to say "fuck you" to a guy like Elon. So you are left with the "lesser" talent.

Ill buy that. But isn't that ok for a government position? Do we really expect those personel to be the most uber talented and agressive people to begin with? Or is it ok to have personel who are very capable but just not in the top of the top percentile.

I guess it probably depends on the department. But as a taxpayer, I'm satisfied with competent people who can do the job even if they aren't available for the nobel prize. Especially competent people who are honest and not ripping me off by being at home all day not doing anything.

 

[RVonse]

Biden said union auto workers from closed plants "should become software programmers!"

Yep..just like they did in past recessions. And many did....went to school...learned to become programmers. And now Elon wants to bring in H1B visa holders to put American programmers out of work. NOt to worry......they can become baristas.

I don't agree with Elon or Vivec on the H1B at all. But that does not mean they are wrong to economize our incredibly corrupt and bloated government. It is possible to support one and not the other.

 

[laughing dog]

Biden said union auto workers from closed plants "should become software programmers!"

Yep..just like they did in past recessions. And many did....went to school...learned to become programmers. And now Elon wants to bring in H1B visa holders to put American programmers out of work. NOt to worry......they can become baristas.

I don't agree with Elon or Vivec on the H1B at all. But that does not mean they are wrong to economize our incredibly corrupt and bloated government. It is possible to support one and not the other.

Let get this right. You think the federal gov’t is corrupt and bloated, so you vote to put jn a corrupt and bloated candidate to head the gov’t?

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't consider myself much of a MAGA guy in the first place

 

[ZiprHead]

The DOGE check revenue comes from wages not being paid to the cut employees. NOT printed currency.

So, when all those employees stop being able to buy stuff, what effects do you think that will have on the economy?

Not to mention all the people who will not get the services those employees provided.
Tom

During my own life whenever I lost my job to a plant closing the standard rhetoric from Chamber of Commerce and Democrats was that "No worry's, you have been freed up to find work elsewhere!". Biden said union auto workers from closed plants "should become software programmers!"

With that in mind, whats wrong with laid off federal employees finding jobs in the private industry like everyone else? Or starting their own small business? That way they are actually making products that other people can use and still earning their same paycheck to spend on the economy. Doesn't it seem more efficient for those workers to be spending their time improving your life rather than just re-spending your tax money that you could have went out and bought goods with? After all, the Chamber of Commerce and Democrats have said its no problem to re-train (after 30 years at the same job) or move across the country.

Just asking.

I don't know. I'm fine with them inspecting the food supply, ensuring cars are safe, bridges are built to spec, runways have lights, farmers are helped with maximizing yields, waterways are dredged, sailing vessels have an emergency service. Oh lots of things. Will we still have all this? Probably, just much less of it. One thing that's likely to go to shit is data collection. So we'll never know how badly Trump fucked all of this up.

This is what will turn us into a third world country.

 

[ImGod]

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

That is the way Elon does it. What tends to happen is that the top notch folks find another job and aren't afraid to say "fuck you" to a guy like Elon. So you are left with the "lesser" talent.

Ill buy that. But isn't that ok for a government position? Do we really expect those personel to be the most uber talented and agressive people to begin with? Or is it ok to have personel who are very capable but just not in the top of the top percentile.

I guess it probably depends on the department. But as a taxpayer, I'm satisfied with competent people who can do the job even if they aren't available for the nobel prize. Especially competent people who are honest and not ripping me off by being at home all day not doing anything.

My wife worked for the government for 23 years remotely. I work as an engineer remotely and hybrid. You are wrong. Because tech and high skilled professionals work remotely.

You don't even realize how many people affect your life in the private sector that work from home. Like you live in the 60s or something.

I work from home, provide electricity to homes, and make 2-3 times what government workers make.

Your ripping off statement is a lie. You pay more for private sector christmas parties, executive jets, and salaries filtered through interlapping layers of private company expense accounts. Even for products you don't buy directly.

 

[Patooka]

I don't consider myself much of a MAGA guy in the first place

My brother in christ, that is a fucking wild assertion.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I don't know. I'm fine with them inspecting the food supply, ensuring cars are safe, bridges are built to spec, runways have lights, farmers are helped with maximizing yields, waterways are dredged, sailing vessels have an emergency service. Oh lots of things. Will we still have all this? Probably, just much less of it. One thing that's likely to go to shit is data collection. So we'll never know how badly Trump fucked all of this up.

Surely there would be no downside to privatizing all of that, right??

 

[Shadowy Man]

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

But this is not a great approach when it comes to things like air safety, food inspections, infrastructure safety, medical treatment for the elderly, etc.

What’s the number of plane crashes per year to know the optimal number of FAA employees? What’s the right number of salmonella outbreaks to know the right number of FDA employees? How many old people should not get their healthcare to get the right a mount of Medicare spending?

 

[Shadowy Man]

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

That is the way Elon does it. What tends to happen is that the top notch folks find another job and aren't afraid to say "fuck you" to a guy like Elon. So you are left with the "lesser" talent.

Ill buy that. But isn't that ok for a government position? Do we really expect those personel to be the most uber talented and agressive people to begin with? Or is it ok to have personel who are very capable but just not in the top of the top percentile.

I guess it probably depends on the department. But as a taxpayer, I'm satisfied with competent people who can do the job even if they aren't available for the nobel prize. Especially competent people who are honest and not ripping me off by being at home all day not doing anything.

If you want the most competent people in government then it doesn’t make sense to fire people without actually assessing those job performance, just cutting for cutting’s sake.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I don't know. I'm fine with them inspecting the food supply, ensuring cars are safe, bridges are built to spec, runways have lights, farmers are helped with maximizing yields, waterways are dredged, sailing vessels have an emergency service. Oh lots of things. Will we still have all this? Probably, just much less of it. One thing that's likely to go to shit is data collection. So we'll never know how badly Trump fucked all of this up.

Surely there would be no downside to privatizing all of that, right??

Yeah. Nothing like adding a monetary incentive to health and safety regulations.
The data collection is what concerns me. If it's not performed or done so inaccurately, it's for all time.

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

But this is not a great approach when it comes to things like air safety, food inspections, infrastructure safety, medical treatment for the elderly, etc.

What’s the number of plane crashes per year to know the optimal number of FAA employees? What’s the right number of salmonella outbreaks to know the right number of FDA employees? How many old people should not get their healthcare to get the right a mount of Medicare spending?

I wonder if they are cutting people and leaving the positions unfilled or cutting the positions all together, in which case an agency couldn't hire even if they wanted to.

Since Covid, many federal jobs are remote and a person couldn't go into work if they wanted to. There is no place to go or their employing agency is on the other side of the country.

The training/certification aspect also concerns me. If they overshoot the mark with firings, new hires have to be trained for the positions. Will people come back or will they move on? In this, providing pay for months into the future will help in they do fire too many. Many of these people may just be getting a lengthy paid vacation.

I have to say from my experience, they are not wrong in what they are doing.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

whats wrong with laid off federal employees finding jobs in the private industry

What’s wrong is that Trump is intentionally destroying the economy. It’s going to be impossible for most of them to find work.
Maybe they’ll pick lettuce, since all the lettuce pickers will be cooling their heels in Panama.

Just lost the job and all the benefits you've accrued and counted on for the last 18 years?

No big, just go find a new job!

Jesus.

Here's a brief anecdote to support the above: my dad died recently. At the funeral home there are various options for caskets, including one with three medallions on the inside of the lid. You can put things like pictures of loved ones or whatever else you want. My dad's wife asked if we could get a Trump medallion. My sister said that was a great idea. I shit you not. Thankfully me and my nephew put a stop to that shit.

Of course my dad didn't die from conservative fascist policy, but that's how dedicated these loons are. They're willing to embrace Trump into the afterlife.

So what to do when you're up against that?

I don't know. There's no historical analogue for it that captures the scale because the U.S. is the wealthiest and most global superpower to have ever existed.

The only way to recover is at the ballot box, but I don't think that's going to be an option in the future. If we do have free and fair elections again, then okay, we'll come back from this. I'll believe it only whenI see it though.

 

[Elixir]

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

But this is not a great approach when it comes to things like air safety, food inspections, infrastructure safety, medical treatment for the elderly, etc.

What’s the number of plane crashes per year to know the optimal number of FAA employees? What’s the right number of salmonella outbreaks to know the right number of FDA employees? How many old people should not get their healthcare to get the right a mount of Medicare spending?

The real problem is that Trump’s goons are directed to keep the best people as defined by a felon.
The best people are incompetent Trumpsucking loyalists who are incapable of running a government.

 

[Elixir]

The only way to recover is at the ballot box, but I don't think that's going to be an option in the future. If we do have free and fair elections again, then okay, we'll come back from this. I'll believe it only whenI see it though.

+1
Even in the unlikely event that “free and fair” elections are held in ‘26, what reason do we have, to expect the massive continuing TrumPutin disinformation machine to be any less effective than it was last year?
I’m afraid this Country is well and truly fucked now.

 

[southernhybrid]

And they will be hired back again. First they cut until it does not run and then they bring back only what it takes to be efficient. It is always the standard way they do it.

That is the way Elon does it. What tends to happen is that the top notch folks find another job and aren't afraid to say "fuck you" to a guy like Elon. So you are left with the "lesser" talent.

Ill buy that. But isn't that ok for a government position? Do we really expect those personel to be the most uber talented and agressive people to begin with? Or is it ok to have personel who are very capable but just not in the top of the top percentile.

I guess it probably depends on the department. But as a taxpayer, I'm satisfied with competent people who can do the job even if they aren't available for the nobel prize. Especially competent people who are honest and not ripping me off by being at home all day not doing anything.

My wife worked for the government for 23 years remotely. I work as an engineer remotely and hybrid. You are wrong. Because tech and high skilled professionals work remotely.

You don't even realize how many people affect your life in the private sector that work from home. Like you live in the 60s or something.

I work from home, provide electricity to homes, and make 2-3 times what government workers make.

Your ripping off statement is a lie. You pay more for private sector christmas parties, executive jets, and salaries filtered through interlapping layers of private company expense accounts. Even for products you don't buy directly.

Thank you for trying to explain this. My son is a federal employee who may be a victim of these lay offs, despite being the only degreed programer/developer in his department which is involved in making sure that our military gets their paychecks. He worked remotely until last year when. he was required to work in the office 2 days a week. He has told me that when he is in the office, there are lots of interruptions, including people coming to his desk to chat while he's in the middle of doing something important. At home, he has a nice office and he shuts the door so he won't be interrupted. He gets more done at home than at work. Since he went from contractor to federal employee recently, his job is endangered for not reason other than that we have a mad man running things.

I have a neighbor who is not a government employee but she works at home. She is an RN who works at home doing quality assurance, coding and things like that. I had a similar job during the 90s but I had to work in the office, where there were constant interruptions, infighting, being bullied by a couple of my Christian coworkers etc. It was a nightmare, despite loving the nature of my work. I told my neighbor how lucky she was to be able to get her work done without having to deal with other staff making her work harder.

Plus think of all the extra cars on the road polluting the air and making the day more stressful. Of course, not all jobs can be done at home. My last job involved assessing and advocating for residents in long term care. I loved it, but I did have lots of time to spend simply chatting with the lonely residents and/or providing emotional support to abused staff members. And, a lot of patient care is now being done by virtual visits, so even some medical providers are working from home too.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I wonder if they are cutting people and leaving the positions unfilled or cutting the positions all together, in which case an agency couldn't hire even if they wanted to.

what would be the point in gloating about all the savings if the intent is to hire new people to replace them? Since most of the firings right now are not based on performance assessments it’s not like they know they’re only getting rid of dead weight.