Merged So what's next for Trump?

[Oleg]

Of all people:

 

[laughing dog]

I seriously doubt that a letter written in February of 2018 just surfaced to scuttle a grand jury.

If you watch the video above from Cohen’s former lawyer, he said the grand jury was given only six cherry-picked documents when he testified that there were hundreds exonerating Trump.

And we should believe any lawyer in this case because.....?

 

[ZiprHead]

I seriously doubt that a letter written in February of 2018 just surfaced to scuttle a grand jury.

If you watch the video above from Cohen’s former lawyer, he said the grand jury was given only six cherry-picked documents when he testified that there were hundreds exonerating Trump.

How does he know this?

He’s a witness. He testified at the grand jury. He’s going to know what documents he had with his former client.

So grand jury witnesses are given reports of all the documents that have been submitted to the jury? You can't be this naïve, Oleg.

 

[laughing dog]

Of all people:

Apologists like Avenatti on Mr. Trump's side make me think there is even more illegal sleaze in this case than meets the eye.

 

[crazyfingers]

It could be interesting and another delay if they have to extradite Trump from Florida while needing Desantis's approval.

I was wondering that too.

 

[blastula]

DeSantis would love to be a mega hero and having Trump owie him one. But then would Trump want to make DeSantis a hero?

But I don't know if he really has a choice though.

 

[ZiprHead]

It could be interesting and another delay if they have to extradite Trump from Florida while needing Desantis's approval.

I was wondering that too.

I thought DeSantis has already said he will not block the extradition. And it would be to his advantage to have Trump in jail for the '24 election.

 

[TomC]

I thought DeSantis has already said he will not block the extradition. And it would be to his advantage to have Trump in jail for the '24 election.

Heh.
You trust what DeSantis said about a political move? Of course, if a TeaParty politician looking to dethrone Trump says something, it must be true. ?

DeSantis must both eliminate Trump while retaining Trump's followers. High wire act from hell. But then, who thought a promiscuous New York limousine liberal billionaire could become the darling of the blue collar Christian conservatives?

Stay tuned for the next episode...
Tom

 

[crazyfingers]

It could be interesting and another delay if they have to extradite Trump from Florida while needing Desantis's approval.

I was wondering that too.

I thought DeSantis has already said he will not block the extradition. And it would be to his advantage to have Trump in jail for the '24 election.

A decision either way will impact how the Trump's base sees DeSantis. Some fraction will see it as treason to Trump and America if DeSantis doesn't try to block extradition. Either way, whatever DeSansis does will be what he thinks is in his best interest.

 

[crazyfingers]

DeSantis would love to be a mega hero and having Trump owie him one. But then would Trump want to make DeSantis a hero?

But I don't know if he really has a choice though.

We'll learn soon enough I hope

 

[blastula]

Good article on what crime might be charged.

What Could Make or Break the Case Against Trump - The New York Times.

The case could hinge on the way Mr. Trump and his company, the Trump Organization, handled reimbursing Mr. Cohen for the payment of $130,000 to Ms. Daniels. Internal Trump Organization records falsely classified the reimbursements as legal expenses, which helped conceal the purpose of the payments, according to Mr. Cohen, who said Mr. Trump knew about the misleading records. (Mr. Trump’s lawyers deny that.)

In New York, falsifying business records can be a crime, and Mr. Bragg’s office is likely to build the case around that charge, according to people with knowledge of the matter and outside legal experts. The false business records charge is the bread and butter of the district attorney’s office white-collar practice — since Mr. Bragg took office in 2022, prosecutors have filed 117 felony counts of the charge, against 29 individuals and companies, according to data kept by the office.

But for falsifying business records to be a felony, not a misdemeanor, Mr. Bragg’s prosecutors must show that Mr. Trump’s “intent to defraud” included an intent to commit or conceal a second crime. That crime could be a violation of election law, under the theory that the payout served as a donation to Mr. Trump’s campaign, because it silenced Ms. Daniels and shut down a potential sex scandal in the final stretch of the campaign.

Although the district attorney’s office need not obtain a conviction on the election law violation, or even include it in the indictment, that second crime might be the aspect of the legal theory that is most vulnerable to attack.

Lot more intricacies in the story.

 

[Shadowy Man]

If as the Trump supporters say he was in his rights to pay off a porn star then why did he falsify the business record? If he had just accounted for the money properly there’d be no criminal case. He’d be just yet another scum bag husband who cheated on his wife who was at home taking care of his infant child.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

If as the Trump supporters say he was in his rights to pay off a porn star then why did he falsify the business record? If he had just accounted for the money properly there’d be no criminal case. He’d be just yet another scum bag husband who cheated on his wife who was at home taking care of his infant child.

Apparently no one ever told him about how god loves a sinner. If someone had just told him he could have paid off Daniels and then cried like Jimmy Swaggart. Everyone would have loved him even more, especially all those evangelicals.

 

[ZiprHead]

"Donnie Desperate"

 

[blastula]

Trump is right. Biden does say that, like all the time. And every time Biden says that, there is nobody there that thinks he is kidding.

 

[blastula]

Judge rules jury in E. Jean Carroll case will be anonymous, citing Trump's attacks on courts, judges, and jurors

The jury determining whether Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in the mid-1990s will be anonymous, a federal judge ruled on Thursday.

lawandcrime.com

The jury determining whether Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in the mid-1990s will be anonymous, a federal judge ruled on Thursday, citing the former president’s attacks on courts, judges and even jurors. “

Mr. Trump’s quite recent reaction to what he perceived as an imminent threat of indictment by a grand jury sitting virtually next door to this Court was to encourage ‘protest’ and to urge people to ‘take our country back,'” Senior U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan noted. “That reaction reportedly has been perceived by some as incitement to violence. And it bears mention that Mr. Trump repeatedly has attacked courts, judges, various law enforcement officials and other public officials, and even individual jurors in other matters.”

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I seriously doubt that a letter written in February of 2018 just surfaced to scuttle a grand jury.

If you watch the video above from Cohen’s former lawyer, he said the grand jury was given only six cherry-picked documents when he testified that there were hundreds exonerating Trump.

Hundreds? Hundreds of documents that would exonerate Trump. HUNDREDS?! How many documents out there that say Trump didn't have his fixer payoff a porn star via bank wire fraud as that was all Cohen's idea? EVEN IF there are documents saying this, there are no hundreds of them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Good article on what crime might be charged.

What Could Make or Break the Case Against Trump - The New York Times.

The case could hinge on the way Mr. Trump and his company, the Trump Organization, handled reimbursing Mr. Cohen for the payment of $130,000 to Ms. Daniels. Internal Trump Organization records falsely classified the reimbursements as legal expenses, which helped conceal the purpose of the payments, according to Mr. Cohen, who said Mr. Trump knew about the misleading records. (Mr. Trump’s lawyers deny that.)

In New York, falsifying business records can be a crime, and Mr. Bragg’s office is likely to build the case around that charge, according to people with knowledge of the matter and outside legal experts. The false business records charge is the bread and butter of the district attorney’s office white-collar practice — since Mr. Bragg took office in 2022, prosecutors have filed 117 felony counts of the charge, against 29 individuals and companies, according to data kept by the office.

But for falsifying business records to be a felony, not a misdemeanor, Mr. Bragg’s prosecutors must show that Mr. Trump’s “intent to defraud” included an intent to commit or conceal a second crime. That crime could be a violation of election law, under the theory that the payout served as a donation to Mr. Trump’s campaign, because it silenced Ms. Daniels and shut down a potential sex scandal in the final stretch of the campaign.

Although the district attorney’s office need not obtain a conviction on the election law violation, or even include it in the indictment, that second crime might be the aspect of the legal theory that is most vulnerable to attack.

Lot more intricacies in the story.

And there in lies the rub... intricacies and political trials do not mix. The term slam dunk comes to mind. This isn't Law and Order where Jack McCoy tries to work his was around the law to get a scumbag off the street. That doesn't work with the elite. And that is the difference here. Trump has better lawyers than Cohen could afford.

 

[blastula]

Trump has better lawyers than Cohen could afford.

I see no evidence of that. He's been skating so far only due to the privileges of his former office.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I see nothing but evidence for that. He isn't in jail, he likely isn't going to jail. Regardless of the laws he has broken.