Special Counsel investigation of Trump part 2

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Habitual liar says he was lying, making people incapable of determining which lie to believe. The trouble Trump has is that he claims there was no document. Which could be true, but the tape is bad for more important reasons, like him indicating that he knew he shouldn't have classified documents!

A couple articles I read said that it's evidence the prosecution will use to demonstrate the defendant's mindset, documents or no documents. Orange just can't stop screwing the pooch.

 

[Ford]

Habitual liar says he was lying, making people incapable of determining which lie to believe. The trouble Trump has is that he claims there was no document. Which could be true, but the tape is bad for more important reasons, like him indicating that he knew he shouldn't have classified documents!

A couple articles I read said that it's evidence the prosecution will use to demonstrate the defendant's mindset, documents or no documents. Orange just can't stop screwing the pooch.

Well to hear Trump tell it, when it comes to classified documents in general:

Were never in his possession. He'd returned everything.

Were his personal property, and he had every right to keep them.

Were returned when the National Archives asked for them (according to attorneys).

Were planted by the FBI during the "raid" (as the lawyers watched them conduct the search with Trump himself on the phone the whole time).

Were declassified before he took them home from the White House, and therefore were both his personal property and no longer secret.

This specific document? According to the man on the recording, it was:

Prepared for him by the Defense Department.

Still classified and very secret.

And according to Trump now was:

Just some newspaper clippings, and/or plans for a golf resort.

Yep...so much exoneration it makes your head spin...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Habitual liar says he was lying, making people incapable of determining which lie to believe. The trouble Trump has is that he claims there was no document. Which could be true, but the tape is bad for more important reasons, like him indicating that he knew he shouldn't have classified documents!

A couple articles I read said that it's evidence the prosecution will use to demonstrate the defendant's mindset, documents or no documents. Orange just can't stop screwing the pooch.

Exactly. Lawyers have been having a field day with Trump's docs and the Fox News defamation case, where there is an unusually high amount of evidence that demonstrates the state of mind of the actors involved. It is usually hard to prove defamation, except when Fox News personalities were texting and talking about how they knew it was all lies. Trump is on "tape" proving the prosecution's case against himself, about him knowing what the rules were, that he didn't care, and that he had docs. He might not have had Iran docs, but we know he had other very secret docs. We know he conspired to keep them hidden. Really leaving the Justice Department no where else to go but for a conviction because the bingo card for proving his guilt has 25 marks on it!

 

[Elixir]

Trump is INCREDIBLY stupid. I mean, remember that kid who flunked third grade, and barely passed the next year? He’s dumber than that kid. Trump is a high functioning borderline idiot, with a keen set of fight or flight instincts and little to no actual mental processing capability. I won’t comment on the stupidity of those supporting his candidacy, because some of them are sharp, and have good use for a malleable idiot president.

 

[jab]

My favorite part is how he seems amused that he found that by lucky chance. That his collection of secret docs was so disorderly, he had no idea where any of this stuff was. And the bonus was he was accusing the DoD of wanting to attack Iran and he could prove it with these plans, when the reality is, the DoD probably has plans on how to invade Canada too. They have plans for everything.

If the DOD didn't have plans to attack Iran they would be seriously deficient in doing their job. Contingency plans don't mean you actually plan to do it. I'm sure the DOD has plans to attack every troublemaker nation in the world.

Context is important here.

Sure, the military drew up plans to attack Iran, and Trump is not the first President to ask them to do so. We've been doing this since the days of "will there ever be another Star Wars movie?"

The disturbing part is that the plans that Fragilego Mussolini was waving around in front of people (who had no business seeing them) contained information that would be valuable to Iran (or any adversary) even if it was just a contingency.

Information laying out how much we know about their capabilities. How we would counter those capabilities. How we found out about them in the first place. Sources and methods. Not just what we know, but how we know. And this stupid fuck stick showed it to people who were writing a book about him.

According to Trump, there was no plan in his hands. You know, just post Oval Office talk. The interesting thing is that I did entertain that the Iran doc claims could have been a lie a bit ago, because I believe the source of the document was uncertain, that DoD didn't know it existed.

“I would say it was bravado, if you want to know the truth, it was bravado,” Trump told Semafor and ABC News on board his plane on Tuesday. “I was talking and just holding up papers and talking about them, but I had no documents. I didn’t have any documents.”

Trump stated he was simply holding up random papers.

“I just held up a whole pile of — my desk is loaded up with papers. I have papers from 25 different things,” he said. A reporter asked the former president if he regretted how he handled classified documents upon leaving the White House.

Habitual liar says he was lying, making people incapable of determining which lie to believe. The trouble Trump has is that he claims there was no document. Which could be true, but the tape is bad for more important reasons, like him indicating that he knew he shouldn't have classified documents!

The audio seems to indicate that a person, or persons other than TRump were seeing a document that looked convincingly clasified. The other important thing is that TRump says of this actual or fake classified document that he has winkled out of the pile that he no longer has the authority to declassify it because he is no longer America's pres. He doesn't say or imply, "I took this doc with me when I left the White House, and therfore it is by definition declassified."

 

[Elixir]

He doesn't say or imply, "I took this doc with me when I left the White House, and therfore it is by definition declassified."

Nor does he say “this is NOT the classified document about which I am talking, or any other classified document”
He says “Look at it! … I could have declassified it!”
How could he possibly be referring to something that’s not classified?
This man, given an IQ test, would return a negative result.

 

[ZiprHead]

List of witnesses against Trump cannot be secret in documents case, judge rules

US district court judge Aileen Cannon also scheduled a hearing to start the discovery process for classified documents

www.theguardian.com

The federal judge presiding over the criminal prosecution of Donald Trump in the classified documents case ruled against the government in her first pre-trial order on Monday, denying a request from federal prosecutors to file a list of potential witnesses against the former US president under seal.

“The government’s motion does not explain why filing the list with the court is necessary; it does not offer a particularized basis to justify sealing the list from public view,” the US district court judge Aileen Cannon wrote.

The ruling from Cannon means that the list of 84 witnesses who may testify against Trump at trial would be made available publicly and offer clues about the case prosecutors are bringing, unless the government files a new motion with a detailed rationale for submitting it under seal.

When Trump was arraigned in federal district court in Miami earlier this month, the magistrate judge overseeing the court appearance ruled that Trump and his co-defendant, his valet Walt Nauta, were prohibited from talking to certain witnesses about the case other than through their lawyers.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My favorite part is how he seems amused that he found that by lucky chance. That his collection of secret docs was so disorderly, he had no idea where any of this stuff was. And the bonus was he was accusing the DoD of wanting to attack Iran and he could prove it with these plans, when the reality is, the DoD probably has plans on how to invade Canada too. They have plans for everything.

If the DOD didn't have plans to attack Iran they would be seriously deficient in doing their job. Contingency plans don't mean you actually plan to do it. I'm sure the DOD has plans to attack every troublemaker nation in the world.

FTFY.

I would be surprised if they don't have at least some kind of plan to attack New Zealand. It might just read "Don't forget to take lots of mint sauce", but there will still be some kind of plan.

I would certainly consider that possible. Note that I was saying I was sure they would have plans for the troublemakers. The others, I don't know.

 

[bilby]

My favorite part is how he seems amused that he found that by lucky chance. That his collection of secret docs was so disorderly, he had no idea where any of this stuff was. And the bonus was he was accusing the DoD of wanting to attack Iran and he could prove it with these plans, when the reality is, the DoD probably has plans on how to invade Canada too. They have plans for everything.

If the DOD didn't have plans to attack Iran they would be seriously deficient in doing their job. Contingency plans don't mean you actually plan to do it. I'm sure the DOD has plans to attack every troublemaker nation in the world.

FTFY.

I would be surprised if they don't have at least some kind of plan to attack New Zealand. It might just read "Don't forget to take lots of mint sauce", but there will still be some kind of plan.

I would certainly consider that possible. Note that I was saying I was sure they would have plans for the troublemakers. The others, I don't know.

If nothing else, preparing detailed plans to attack allies and other unlikely adversaries (and NZ) is an excellent way to train new planners and staff to prepare war plans, without the risk that they might need to actually be implemented.

And nobody ever knows when a former ally or a total wildcard could be taken over by a hostile leadership. It would be a bit embarrassing if the UK Communist Party seized power, and the Pentagon didn't have any idea of the British military's strengths and weaknesses, capabilities, order of battle, major bases, etc., etc. I am sure the British Army has reciprocal plans ready to go, just in case the King demands that they retake the rebellious North American colonies.

 

[ZiprHead]

'Makes me so angry!': Trump's ex-press secretary lashes out at his sloppiness with docs

Donald Trump has been reckless in his handling of classified documents to the point that it brings his own former press secretary to the point of anger. Stephanie Grisham, Trump's former White House press secretary and communications director, appeared on MSNBC on Saturday to discuss the...

www.rawstory.com

Stephanie Grisham, Trump's former White House press secretary and communications director, appeared on MSNBC on Saturday to discuss the newest revelations with Trump's criminal indictment for purported mishandling of classified materials post-presidency. Grisham is first asked by the host if she had ever crossed paths with Susie Wiles, whom many have speculated is one of the aides who was shown a classified document, according to the indictment.

"Yes, I have crossed paths with her, she is pretty well-known in political circles. In fact she used to work for Ron DeSantis, until they had a falling out," Grisham said. "So, I know Trump really needs her in the position that she's in, because DeSantis is his biggest competition at this moment."

She added that, if it's true that Miles was the one allegedly shown a classified document, "That is going to obviously put her in a very awkward position."

 

[Toni]

My favorite part is how he seems amused that he found that by lucky chance. That his collection of secret docs was so disorderly, he had no idea where any of this stuff was. And the bonus was he was accusing the DoD of wanting to attack Iran and he could prove it with these plans, when the reality is, the DoD probably has plans on how to invade Canada too. They have plans for everything.

If the DOD didn't have plans to attack Iran they would be seriously deficient in doing their job. Contingency plans don't mean you actually plan to do it. I'm sure the DOD has plans to attack every troublemaker nation in the world.

FTFY.

I would be surprised if they don't have at least some kind of plan to attack New Zealand. It might just read "Don't forget to take lots of mint sauce", but there will still be some kind of plan.

I would certainly consider that possible. Note that I was saying I was sure they would have plans for the troublemakers. The others, I don't know.

If nothing else, preparing detailed plans to attack allies and other unlikely adversaries (and NZ) is an excellent way to train new planners and staff to prepare war plans, without the risk that they might need to actually be implemented.

And nobody ever knows when a former ally or a total wildcard could be taken over by a hostile leadership. It would be a bit embarrassing if the UK Communist Party seized power, and the Pentagon didn't have any idea of the British military's strengths and weaknesses, capabilities, order of battle, major bases, etc., etc. I am sure the British Army has reciprocal plans ready to go, just in case the King demands that they retake the rebellious North American colonies.

I'm pretty sure that the King of England no longer has the power or authority to demand that any colony be re-taken. For a long time, now.

 

[Elixir]

I'm pretty sure that the King of England no longer has the power or authority…

No, but he knows people who do!

 

[ideologyhunter]

Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. Declassified.

 

[Gospel]

 

[Gospel]

And Trump said Obama embarrassed America.

 

[Gun Nut]

Trump is INCREDIBLY stupid. I mean, remember that kid who flunked third grade, and barely passed the next year? He’s dumber than that kid. Trump is a high functioning borderline idiot, with a keen set of fight or flight instincts and little to no actual mental processing capability. I won’t comment on the stupidity of those supporting his candidacy, because some of them are sharp, and have good use for a malleable idiot president.

Close. He didn't flunk 3rd grade, he got kicked out of public grade school (PS131, Jamaica NY) for bullying... specific incident was bringing a knife to school and threatening another kid with it. His father got him enrolled in a military style school upstate where he apparently did quite well in that type of environment. Too bad daddy just gave him millions of dollars to burn on bad business deals (the only man alive to lose money owning a casino!).. if he had moved on to serve in the military and/or public service, how his life (and ours, maybe a little) would have been so different.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump prosecutors are being threatened and we all know why

The Washington Post has a new story indicating that individual prosecutors involved with special counsel Jack Smith's indictment of Donald Trump are being subjected to "substantial" harassment and threats from pro-Trump deplorables. That's not exactly...

www.dailykos.com

 

[crazyfingers]

Trump prosecutors are being threatened and we all know why

The Washington Post has a new story indicating that individual prosecutors involved with special counsel Jack Smith's indictment of Donald Trump are being subjected to "substantial" harassment and threats from pro-Trump deplorables. That's not exactly...

www.dailykos.com

Mobster tactice

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump wants classified documents trial delayed until after 2024 election

In a late-night court filing, Trump's defense team said he can't receive a fair trial before the election.

www.politico.com

Donald Trump on Monday called for a lengthy delay before he goes to trial for allegedly hoarding military secrets at his Mar-a-Lago estate, contending that proceeding while he remains a candidate for president would make it virtually impossible to seat an impartial jury.

“Proceeding to trial during the pendency of a Presidential election cycle wherein opposing candidates are effectively (if not literally) directly adverse to one another in this action will create extraordinary challenges in the jury selection process and limit the Defendants’ ability to secure a fair and impartial adjudication,” attorneys for Trump and his personal aide and co-defendant, Walt Nauta, said in a court filing Monday night.

 

[ZiprHead]