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[Syed]

check mate

i won

You won the Booby Prize for missing the point.

You repeated what I already said; that anyone can use the word 'allah' in reference to 'god' - essentially having the same meaning - but completely ignored the point that none of the versions of god/allah are actually compatible, therefore they are different imaginary gods, the god/allah of Islam not be the god/allah of Hinduism.

Please stop ignoring this point.

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I'm sure Hindus will be happy to hear you are praying to Brahma.

allah mean god not brahma

Brahma is a god; the god of Hinduism. Completely different to the god of Islam.

arabic speaking hindu can call him allah

 

[Syed]

american muslims do pay tax

They pay taxes like everyone else. They don't pay an extra tax just for being Muslims. Such a tax would be stupid and wrong.

dhimmi dont pay extra tax

 

[sdelsolray]

You are missing the point. Please read more carefully.

check mate

i won

One needs to learn to play 'Go Fish' before they learn to play 'Checkers' and one needs to learn to play 'Checkers' before they can learn to play "Chess'.

 

[Keith&Co.]

So muslims are charged Dhimmi taxes? Yes or no?

muslims pay protection tax that goes to police and army

You're ducking the question. I have to interpret that as my being correct.

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They pay taxes like everyone else. They don't pay an extra tax just for being Muslims. Such a tax would be stupid and wrong.

dhimmi dont pay extra tax

That's not what your OP seems to say...
If they pay the same taxes as everyone else, then why is there a distinction between muslims and dhimmi?

In the US, there are citizens and citizens pay taxes. We don't have a separate form of second-citizen tax for people who don't participate in the state's mascot religion.

 

[bigfield]

A dhimmī is a historical term referring to non-Muslim citizens of an Islamic state. The word literally means "protected person." Wikipedia

google
A dhimmi ([ðimi]; Arabic: ذمي, meaning "protected person") refers to specific individuals living in Muslim lands, who were granted special status and safety in Islamic law in return for paying the capital tax.

it was so easy lol

EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim sun,moon, galaxy, universe, earth, star, dust, sky, water, plants, animals, birds,insect, human, jews, christians, hindus, atheists,budhists, jinn, satan, all prophets and muslims are MUSLIM

SUN is a muslim surrendered to god

sun will not die UNTIL god command to die

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

EVERY ATOM in the universe is a muslim ( that simply mean that god control or god have power over every atom )

jews are muslims? yes

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

christains and jews and atheists are muslims by definition of muslims

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the non-Muslim citizens?

 

[Syed]

muslims pay protection tax that goes to police and army

You're ducking the question. I have to interpret that as my being correct.

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They pay taxes like everyone else. They don't pay an extra tax just for being Muslims. Such a tax would be stupid and wrong.

dhimmi dont pay extra tax

That's not what your OP seems to say...
If they pay the same taxes as everyone else, then why is there a distinction between muslims and dhimmi?

.

the reason is muslims have to pay extra tax "zakat" that goes to many other services like army, police, poor, mosque and other projects

 

[Syed]

EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim sun,moon, galaxy, universe, earth, star, dust, sky, water, plants, animals, birds,insect, human, jews, christians, hindus, atheists,budhists, jinn, satan, all prophets and muslims are MUSLIM

SUN is a muslim surrendered to god

sun will not die UNTIL god command to die

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

EVERY ATOM in the universe is a muslim ( that simply mean that god control or god have power over every atom )

jews are muslims? yes

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

christains and jews and atheists are muslims by definition of muslims

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the non-Muslim citizens?

read this in context



who is a muslim?

islam mean submission or surrendered to god

muslim mean one WHO surrendered or submitted to god

EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim sun,moon, galaxy, universe, earth, star, dust, sky, water, plants, animals, birds,insect, human, jews, christians, hindus, atheists,budhists, jinn, satan, all prophets and muslims are MUSLIM

SUN is a muslim surrendered to god

sun will not die UNTIL god command to die

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

EVERY ATOM in the universe is a muslim ( that simply mean that god control or god have power over every atom )

ONLY human and jinn god's gave limited free will

below is a example of human's freewill NOT predestine



If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! Chapter 10 Yunus: Verse 99
EVERY knowledge that human have math, science, art, languages are given by god to human

human are like robot, god's programed our brain with 1000s of software and our software in our brain gave us ability to walk, talk, dance, write,read, see, smell, hear,feel pain, feel happy, feel sad, calculate, do math, love, INVENT, and with limited free will ( human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do ) we are robot with LIMITED free will ( god did not surprised when we invented iphone or computer or walked on the moon )

 

[bigfield]

jews are muslims? yes

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

christains and jews and atheists are muslims by definition of muslims

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the non-Muslim citizens?

read this in context



who is a muslim?

islam mean submission or surrendered to god

muslim mean one WHO surrendered or submitted to god

EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim sun,moon, galaxy, universe, earth, star, dust, sky, water, plants, animals, birds,insect, human, jews, christians, hindus, atheists,budhists, jinn, satan, all prophets and muslims are MUSLIM

SUN is a muslim surrendered to god

sun will not die UNTIL god command to die

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

EVERY ATOM in the universe is a muslim ( that simply mean that god control or god have power over every atom )

ONLY human and jinn god's gave limited free will

below is a example of human's freewill NOT predestine



If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! Chapter 10 Yunus: Verse 99
EVERY knowledge that human have math, science, art, languages are given by god to human

human are like robot, god's programed our brain with 1000s of software and our software in our brain gave us ability to walk, talk, dance, write,read, see, smell, hear,feel pain, feel happy, feel sad, calculate, do math, love, INVENT, and with limited free will ( human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do ) we are robot with LIMITED free will ( god did not surprised when we invented iphone or computer or walked on the moon )

EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim sun,moon, galaxy, universe, earth, star, dust, sky, water, plants, animals, birds,insect, human, jews, christians, hindus, atheists,budhists, jinn, satan, all prophets and muslims are MUSLIM

SUN is a muslim surrendered to god

sun will not die UNTIL god command to die

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

EVERY ATOM in the universe is a muslim ( that simply mean that god control or god have power over every atom )

jews are muslims? yes

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

christains and jews and atheists are muslims by definition of muslims

Originally Posted by bigfield

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the dhimmi?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

If everyone is a Muslim then who had to pay the jizya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

If everyone is a Muslim then why does your god command you to fight non-Muslims and force them to pay tribute?

A dhimmī is a historical term referring to non-Muslim citizens of an Islamic state. The word literally means "protected person." Wikipedia

google
A dhimmi ([ðimi]; Arabic: ذمي, meaning "protected person") refers to specific individuals living in Muslim lands, who were granted special status and safety in Islamic law in return for paying the capital tax.



it was so easy lol

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the non-Muslim citizens?

 

[Angry Floof]

They pay taxes like everyone else. They don't pay an extra tax just for being Muslims. Such a tax would be stupid and wrong.

dhimmi dont pay extra tax

You said they did and that it's a "protection tax."

 

[Syed]

jews are muslims? yes

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

christains and jews and atheists are muslims by definition of muslims

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the non-Muslim citizens?

read this in context



who is a muslim?

islam mean submission or surrendered to god

muslim mean one WHO surrendered or submitted to god

EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim sun,moon, galaxy, universe, earth, star, dust, sky, water, plants, animals, birds,insect, human, jews, christians, hindus, atheists,budhists, jinn, satan, all prophets and muslims are MUSLIM

SUN is a muslim surrendered to god

sun will not die UNTIL god command to die

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

EVERY ATOM in the universe is a muslim ( that simply mean that god control or god have power over every atom )

ONLY human and jinn god's gave limited free will

below is a example of human's freewill NOT predestine



If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! Chapter 10 Yunus: Verse 99
EVERY knowledge that human have math, science, art, languages are given by god to human

human are like robot, god's programed our brain with 1000s of software and our software in our brain gave us ability to walk, talk, dance, write,read, see, smell, hear,feel pain, feel happy, feel sad, calculate, do math, love, INVENT, and with limited free will ( human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do ) we are robot with LIMITED free will ( god did not surprised when we invented iphone or computer or walked on the moon )

EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim sun,moon, galaxy, universe, earth, star, dust, sky, water, plants, animals, birds,insect, human, jews, christians, hindus, atheists,budhists, jinn, satan, all prophets and muslims are MUSLIM

SUN is a muslim surrendered to god

sun will not die UNTIL god command to die

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

EVERY ATOM in the universe is a muslim ( that simply mean that god control or god have power over every atom )

jews are muslims? yes

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

christains and jews and atheists are muslims by definition of muslims

Originally Posted by bigfield

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the dhimmi?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

If everyone is a Muslim then who had to pay the jizya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

If everyone is a Muslim then why does your god command you to fight non-Muslims and force them to pay tribute?

A dhimmī is a historical term referring to non-Muslim citizens of an Islamic state. The word literally means "protected person." Wikipedia

google
A dhimmi ([ðimi]; Arabic: ذمي, meaning "protected person") refers to specific individuals living in Muslim lands, who were granted special status and safety in Islamic law in return for paying the capital tax.



it was so easy lol

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the non-Muslim citizens?

in one context christians and jews are muslims and another context they are not muslims

in one context in islam mose and jesus and their followers were muslims


in one context today's GOOD christians and jews are MUSLIMS and the rest are just muslims like atheist muslims

 

[bigfield]

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the non-Muslim citizens?

in one context christians and jews are muslims and another context they are not muslims

Yes--Jews, Christians, atheists and every other non-Muslim was a dhimmi, and Quran 9:29 orders Muslims to fight them until the pay the jizya.

Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

 

[Syed]

in one context christians and jews are muslims and another context they are not muslims

Yes--Jews, Christians, atheists and every other non-Muslim was a dhimmi, and Quran 9:29 orders Muslims to fight them until the pay the jizya.

Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

christians and jews believe in allah, allah is generic word for god

we are going in circle lol

 

[Angry Floof]

Syed doesn't seem to understand his own religion.

 

[Syed]

dhimmi dont pay extra tax

You said they did and that it's a "protection tax."

i dont, they pay protection tax no extra tax

 

[Keith&Co.]

You're ducking the question. I have to interpret that as my being correct.

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They pay taxes like everyone else. They don't pay an extra tax just for being Muslims. Such a tax would be stupid and wrong.

dhimmi dont pay extra tax

That's not what your OP seems to say...
If they pay the same taxes as everyone else, then why is there a distinction between muslims and dhimmi?

.

the reason is muslims have to pay extra tax "zakat" that goes to many other services like army, police, poor, mosque and other projects

You're saying dhimmi don't pay for the army?

 

[Keith&Co.]

christians and jews believe in allah, allah is generic word for god

we are going in circle lol

But 'muslim' is not a generic term for theist, is it?
I think you're the one dancing in circles, trying to pull a justification out of your ass.

I also don't know how many muslim men as old as you pretend to be use 'lol' as often as you do.

 

[Syed]

You're ducking the question. I have to interpret that as my being correct.

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They pay taxes like everyone else. They don't pay an extra tax just for being Muslims. Such a tax would be stupid and wrong.

dhimmi dont pay extra tax

That's not what your OP seems to say...
If they pay the same taxes as everyone else, then why is there a distinction between muslims and dhimmi?

.

the reason is muslims have to pay extra tax "zakat" that goes to many other services like army, police, poor, mosque and other projects

You're saying dhimmi don't pay for the army?

dhimmi only pay tax for army and police

 

[bigfield]

Yes--Jews, Christians, atheists and every other non-Muslim was a dhimmi, and Quran 9:29 orders Muslims to fight them until the pay the jizya.

Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

christians and jews believe in allah, allah is generic word for god

we are going in circle lol

Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Jews and Christians do not "prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited"

Jews and Christians do not "follow the religion of truth"

Jews and Christians were dhimmi.

Jews and Christians had to pay the jizya.

Therefore this passage orders Muslims to fight all non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians, until they pay the jizya.

You keep going in circles--I'm just standing here while you make yourself dizzy.

 

[Syed]

christians and jews believe in allah, allah is generic word for god

we are going in circle lol

But 'muslim' is not a generic term for theist, is it?
I think you're the one dancing in circles, trying to pull a justification out of your ass.

I also don't know how many muslim men as old as you pretend to be use 'lol' as often as you do.

here is word muslims mean ANYONE who believe in god and good person is a MUSLIM

 

[Syed]

christians and jews believe in allah, allah is generic word for god

we are going in circle lol

Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Jews and Christians do not "prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited"

Jews and Christians do not "follow the religion of truth"

Jews and Christians were dhimmi.

Jews and Christians had to pay the jizya.

Therefore this passage orders Muslims to fight all non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians, until they pay the jizya.

You keep going in circles--I'm just standing here while you make yourself dizzy.

to me christians and jews believe in same god as me