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DBT
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But you yourself said that humans are able to learn in heaven without having to suffer.
DBT
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If you have the ability to learn, location has nothing to do with your inherit ability to learn.
What about all the humans who died as babies and infants...are they all supposed to remain ignorant or 'robot's for all eternity because they did not 'learn on Earth?'
DBT
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2/10 for consistency and 8/10 for effort and perseverance, even though that is done on a wing and a prayer.
Sajara
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That is not the question I asked you. Please answer the question.
Would you choose to torture your children if you had the choice to not torture them and pass on the same lesson?
C_Mucius_Scaevola
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Jam tomorrow. Starvation, pain and suffering today, but jam tomorrow. And if tomorrow never comes? Tough shit.
i was wrong and that child suffered for nothing.....stupidevolutiondidit
Infinite Monkey
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This is where we were like 5 pages ago.
Before going around the circuit again, please think about the actual argument people are making:
1. These babies will go to paradise before having learned anything on Earth.
2. They will not suffer in paradise.
3. They can learn in paradise.
4. Therefore: Suffering is not required to learn things.
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Jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but only pain and suffering today. Works much better. Carol, on the set please.
Jimmy Higgins
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Like Paul Wellstone.
Dude, if Allah is god, he still may boot you to hell for being so bad at apologia and barring dozens and hundreds of people from ever seeing the light.
C_Mucius_Scaevola
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Maybe, Syed. I think it would be more accurate to say naturalforcesdidit. But, unlike with your "god", nobody's going about saying that natural forces care, that natural forces love us, that natural forces have prepared a paradise for us. Natural forces don't give a shit, so there's no reason to expect natural forces to step in and stop unnecessary suffering. A "god" who loves us, on the other hand ...
C_Mucius_Scaevola
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Jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but only pain and suffering today. Works much better. Carol, on the set please.
I get the reference and know the original quote, but in the case of believers, it's all jam tomorrow, or maybe more aptly, pie in the sky when you die. So I didn't feel the need for "yesterday" in my paraphrase.
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You are going to have to answer to Carol Channing when you die.
Jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but only pain and suffering today. Works much better. Carol, on the set please.
I get the reference and know the original quote, but in the case of believers, it's all jam tomorrow, or maybe more aptly, pie in the sky when you die. So I didn't feel the need for "yesterday" in my paraphrase.
C_Mucius_Scaevola
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No I won't. I'm going to accept her as my saviour on my deathbed, and go straight to her heaven.
god gave knowledge to angels and angels suffered no pain from having knowledge but they are like robots
god could give knowledge to human without pain and suffering BUT human would be like robots
no, i blamed all our pain suffering, evil religions, osama bin ladin, 911, suicide bombing on stupidevolutiondidit
how could babies learn in paradise without a adult who have no knowledge him/herself ?
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