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Wait, you actually mean to say that God is neither good nor bad? As to say the terms don't apply to God? That is something an atheist might say, not one that believes God is good.
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there are thing in the universe can not be said they are good or bad, sun is useful but neither sun is good or bad
i could say that god is rational being
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And amid their murmur it stands;
There daily do Othin | and Saga drink
In gladness from cups of gold.
The fifth is Glathsheim, | and gold-bright there
Stands Valhall stretching wide;
And there does Othin | each day choose
The men who have fallen in fight.
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Of course. You could say whatever you wanted about "god". It won't make it any more real.
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Syed, please just make sure that in some future breath you do not also go on to describe how good this god is. If you did, you would be contradicting what you are writing right now.
Brian
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WHY... NOT.
You chopped off the rest of what I said. I'm asking why God can't just make you a self-learning creature.
You say we won't be "robots" in paradise, where there is not suffering. God could simply skip the stage of making us hang around in what you view as a terrible world for a few decades.
Why is God not powerful enough to make self-learning, happy, beings that can live free of suffering? This is the end state he seems to desire. A paradise full of fully-intelligent beings who think he's really really great.
Why can't he just make that happen? Does he enjoy putting everyone through misery, even though it's not necessary?
You are making this up as you go along.
If babies don't need to suffer evil in order to learn, nobody does. Everyone who has the ability to learn can learn without being tortured, stabbed or shot or dying of cancer....
if there is no diseases then human wont be learning about how human body work
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This is the most blindingly stupid plan imaginable. Create disease-prone bodies for an artificial environment that will only exist for a brief time so their owners can learn about them through agony. Then toss all of it out because the permanent bodies won't be subject to disease.
It reminds me of the priests in one of the Monty Python bits who walk around singing some Gregorian chant and pausing at the end of each stanza to hit themselves on the head with a board.
If people didn't hit themselves on the forehead with boards they wouldn't learn how bad that is for their brains.
It reminds me of the priests in one of the Monty Python bits who walk around singing some Gregorian chant and pausing at the end of each stanza to hit themselves on the head with a board.
If people didn't hit themselves on the forehead with boards they wouldn't learn how bad that is for their brains.
Gila Guerilla
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yes, as explain above
that place does not exist
god is NOT good, god is NOT bad
god is ultimate force who have power to create and destroy as he wish
god have power over EVERY single atom in the universe that mean god can manipulate SINGLE atom as he wish.
yes
god knows every single detail what is beneath the earth and over the earth and EVERY thing over our head and he also knows i am chatting with you RIGHT NOW but god does NOT know that i will kill some one or not because he gave me free-will to exercise
yes, as explain above
god is NOT everywhere BUT he have knowledge everything we do in our lives ( in the quran god said he is closer then our jugular vein )
that place does not exist
bad and good does not apply to god, good and bad only for us
god is NOT good, god is NOT bad
god is ultimate force who have power to create and destroy as he wish
This is the most blindingly stupid plan imaginable. Create disease-prone bodies for an artificial environment that will only exist for a brief time so their owners can learn about them through agony. Then toss all of it out because the permanent bodies won't be subject to disease.
It reminds me of the priests in one of the Monty Python bits who walk around singing some Gregorian chant and pausing at the end of each stanza to hit themselves on the head with a board.
If people didn't hit themselves on the forehead with boards they wouldn't learn how bad that is for their brains.
if you are 300 pounds and want to lose weight you will suffer lots
but you want to lose weight but without pain
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...then wait until you die and get free magic liposuction in Valhalla.This is the most blindingly stupid plan imaginable. Create disease-prone bodies for an artificial environment that will only exist for a brief time so their owners can learn about them through agony. Then toss all of it out because the permanent bodies won't be subject to disease.
It reminds me of the priests in one of the Monty Python bits who walk around singing some Gregorian chant and pausing at the end of each stanza to hit themselves on the head with a board.
If people didn't hit themselves on the forehead with boards they wouldn't learn how bad that is for their brains.
if you are 300 pounds and want to lose weight you will suffer lots
but you want to lose weight but without pain
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You didn't really answer the question still, but it is close enough. You would not torture your children if you could still teach them a lesson.
Here is an easy question...why don't you torture your children?
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So can "God do anything that he wants to ?
Are there any exceptions, (what can "God" NOT do) ?
The Christian god is said to be omniscient. I would like to know, in your Muslim belief, just how much foreknowledge "God", as you understand "him", has.
As you are 57 years old, imagine back 100 hundred years, (ie. before you were born). Did "God" at that time know when in the future, you would be born ?
Further to that, does "God" now know when you will die, and how, (maybe of old age, cancer, heart failure or whatever else) ?
I can't make sense of that, Syed. Everywhere means all the places that there are, wherever they are. If "God" is not everywhere, (ie. "God" is not in all the places that there are), there have to be some places where "God" is NOT.
I'm asking where is that ?
If the place that "God" is NOT to be found, does not exist, then surely "God" is everywhere.
You have told me that the place where "God" is NOT to be found, doesn't exist, and so, (different to what you've said), "he" IS omnipresent.
Can you please clarify, Syed ?
Again, thanks for your attention and help.
DBT
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You are making this up as you go along.
If babies don't need to suffer evil in order to learn, nobody does. Everyone who has the ability to learn can learn without being tortured, stabbed or shot or dying of cancer....
if there is no diseases then human wont be learning about how human body work
Do people have human bodies in Heaven?
DBT
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So people get sick and die in heaven, being 'human bodies?" Human bodies as we know them do get old, sick and die.
Sajara
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That is my question to you. Why should you not torture your children? Why do you choose to not torture them to teach them a lesson that you could teach them without torturing them?
your question is ridiculous, tell me what is the question in your mind