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Oky doky, then what if Odin is allah?
no problem
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Still haven't answered the question...I'll keep asking just in case you missed it as I would never think you are being disingenuous.
Would you choose to torture your children if you had the choice to not torture them and pass on the same lesson?
god CAN make all human like of albert einstien WITHOUT pain and suffering but we will be like robot not a self learning creature from self experience
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How about I ask a few questions at a time, and get your answers on those, Syed.
First two personal questions, (no need to answer if you don't want to):-
I know that you are a glass artist, but are you man or woman?
What is your age, (range if you like).
I ask the above to get a better picture of who I am corresponding with.
Now to your beliefs; I hope you'll answer anything I have on your beliefs,
(if you have the answers) :-
Is "God" omnipotent? .... (ie. Is "God" all powerful?)
Is "God" omniscient? ..... (ie. Is "God" all knowing?)
Is "God" omnipresent? ... (ie. Is "God" everywhere?)
Is "God" omnibenevolent? (ie. Does "God" always do what is ultimately good?)
And by the way, thank you for, (as you say in you quote above), offering to answer all questions.
That's six easy questions I've asked - thanks, Syed.
Sajara
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Shall I assume you do not want to answer the question then? If you are not willing to have a discussion and you are not willing to answer questions to further understand/clarify your point...then you are here just to preach and that is against the forum rules.
So again...shall I try this one more time? I'll give you a hint, this is more or less a yes or no answer.
Would you choose to torture your children if you had the choice to not torture them and pass on the same lesson?
I can ask another question, knowing you will choose to ignore it.
Is your God capable of making a non-robot that is capable of self learning without suffering?
Another hint...I can because I've taught my children lessons without them suffering...so am I mightier than your puny God?
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God could teach them. Or is he not capable enough?
That's the whole argument. An all-powerful god could create whatever beings it wanted, design their minds and bodies EXACTLY how he wanted, teach them whatever it wanted, HOWever it wanted. That's what ultimate power is. No limitations.
Are you trying to say that Allah is not powerful enough to create beings that learn without pain? Or that he does not know how to simply put whatever information and experiences he wants into the minds of those beings? Of course he is powerful enough to do these things, right?
So why the suffering, then? It's not necessary for learning, as you've admitted, because people can learn in paradise where there is no suffering.
The fact is that suffering exists because no beings that are able to eliminate it exist that actually want to do it. It doesn't matter if suffering exists to bring about some greater end that whatever god has foreseen. If that God were all-powerful, he could get those same results without suffering, because he can do whatever he wants.
Of course, it's totally possible that an all-powerful God exists and simply doesn't care to fix everything with a snap of its all-powerful fingers.
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god have power over EVERY single atom in the universe that mean god can manipulate SINGLE atom as he wish
god knows every single detail what is beneath the earth and over the earth and EVERY thing over our head and he also knows i am chatting with you RIGHT NOW but god does NOT know that i will kill some one or not because he gave me free-will to exercise
god is NOT everywhere BUT he have knowledge everything we do in our lives ( in the quran god said he is closer then our jugular vein )
bad and good does not apply to god, good and bad only for us
yes, god can teach human like WE teach robots but god wanted to create a self learning creature not a puppet
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So humans are robots in heaven?
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(emphasis added)
I always find it mesmerizing when theists tell us something like that, and then at some other point in time they will go on to tell us how good god supposedly is.
Blatant contradiction there.
Brian
good and bad also does not apply to animals and insects
no i dont torture my child
no, if i made a self learning walking robot he will break his leg or head or worse brain dead
yes, god can program our brain with all the knowledge of universe but wont be self learning creature
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You saying that does nothing to justify calling God good (or bad). It is just adding to the group that *cannot* be given such labels, not saying why anybody or anything *can* be given such labels.
What needs to be acknowledged and kept in mind is that all words are human inventions that we human beings use for our own purposes, and we also decide what will be their appropriate or inappropriate contexts for use. If we humans want to decide that a word like "pvwik" (which I just made up) applies to gophers and nobody and nothing else, we can do that. Languages and words and sentences are entirely human inventions, and we determine how we will use them. It is not something we (usually) are making a conscious decision on either, but just part of the regular process of human living, that words are invented, modified, edited, forgotten, ignored, etc. and then our languages change over time. So if we wanted "good" and "bad" to apply to god, we can make those rules for ourselves. The universe is not deciding itself what humans can and cannot speak and say. We determine that for ourselves, either consciously or subconsciously, over time.
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You are making this up as you go along.
If babies don't need to suffer evil in order to learn, nobody does. Everyone who has the ability to learn can learn without being tortured, stabbed or shot or dying of cancer....
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OK so "God" has power over every single atom. But is "God" omnipotent - is "God" ALL powerful ???
So "God is NOT omniscient ???
Where could I go, (in theory), where "God" is NOT to be found ???
So "God" is NOT good, and does NOT DO good things ???
Thank you very much for your quick reply, Syed, I appreciate it. I have more follow-up questions, but I'll Leave it at the above for now.