Syed's Mega-Thread

[DBT]

Caring what is said may be different to caring what is believed but not publically said or expressed on a discussion forum. Very few probably care about the latter; what someone privately believes is not an issue.

Syed is entitled to believe whatever he wants, but this is likely to be challenged if his beliefs are expressed on a discussion forum.

 

[Syed]

if there is no diseases then human wont be learning about how human body work

Do people have human bodies in Heaven?

yes

So people get sick and die in heaven, being 'human bodies?" Human bodies as we know them do get old, sick and die.

no death, no old age in heaven

So they are not human bodies because human bodies get old, get sick and die. You are talking about something else.

this is god promise that we will live forever young

 

[Brian63]

this is god promise that we will live forever young

Syed, God cannot make anybody to "live forever young." Remember what you stated earlier, that "god is a ENGINEER not a magician." Engineers cannot make anybody "live forever young." Therefore, god cannot do it either, since god is an engineer, according to your own words. You cannot have it both ways and contradict yourself so blatantly, if you want to be reasonable and rational on this matter. Unless you are now saying that there are things that god can do which engineers cannot...If you are going to make that statement though, then you should recognize that there are other things which god (an omnipotent being) should be able to do additionally as well, which you previously argued god could not do (since god is an engineer, not a magician). This engineer/magician angle you are using is completely irrelevant to the discussion, if you are going to argue also that god can do things that engineers cannot.

Brian

 

[DBT]

this is god promise that we will live forever young

What then is the point of learning to cure cancer and other diseases through suffering and painful death?
Which is needless, pointless suffering for no gain.

 

[Syed]

this is god promise that we will live forever young

Syed, God cannot make anybody to "live forever young." Remember what you stated earlier, that "god is a ENGINEER not a magician." Engineers cannot make anybody "live forever young." Therefore, god cannot do it either, since god is an engineer, according to your own words.

Brian

god is not a human engineer but he has control over every single atom in the universe and beyond
god made human from dead dirt and gave life to dead dirt, it is easy for god keep human live forever and young

 

[Syed]

this is god promise that we will live forever young

What then is the point of learning to cure cancer and other diseases through suffering and painful death?
Which is needless, pointless suffering for no gain.

diseases is NOT the only thing we learned about but there are 100s of other scientific subjects we learn

the MOST important thing we learn about is our ''body'' that makes us aware ''our self existence'' animals dont know their self existence

 

[Brian63]

Syed, God cannot make anybody to "live forever young." Remember what you stated earlier, that "god is a ENGINEER not a magician." Engineers cannot make anybody "live forever young." Therefore, god cannot do it either, since god is an engineer, according to your own words.

Brian

god is not a human engineer but he has control over every single atom in the universe and beyond
god made human from dead dirt and gave life to dead dirt, it is easy for god keep human live forever and young

(emphasis added)

If you are going with that angle now, then you should retract your earlier statements that "god can not make human to live on the sun" and "god can not create a biological human without brain or heart."

Apparently, the god can do those things.

Brian

 

[DBT]

What then is the point of learning to cure cancer and other diseases through suffering and painful death?
Which is needless, pointless suffering for no gain.

diseases is NOT the only thing we learn about but there are 100s of other scientific subjects we learn

the MOST important thing we learn about is our ''body'' that makes us believe ''our self existence'' animals dont know their self existence

Scientific enquiry does not require the existence of evil and suffering.... Astronomy, for example, need not be painful yet we still learn about the Cosmos.

 

[Syed]

diseases is NOT the only thing we learn about but there are 100s of other scientific subjects we learn

the MOST important thing we learn about is our ''body'' that makes us believe ''our self existence'' animals dont know their self existence

Scientific enquiry does not require the existence of evil and suffering.... Astronomy, for example, need not be painful yet we still learn about the Cosmos.

what do you think about pain in our body ? we shouldn't have pain in our body too?

 

[DBT]

Scientific enquiry does not require the existence of evil and suffering.... Astronomy, for example, need not be painful yet we still learn about the Cosmos.

what do you think about pain in our body ? we shouldn't have pain in our body too?

Considering that pain and suffering is not required for learning (which you agree), to what purpose?

 

[Syed]

Caring what is said may be different to caring what is believed but not publically said or expressed on a discussion forum. Very few probably care about the latter; what someone privately believes is not an issue.

Syed is entitled to believe whatever he wants, but this is likely to be challenged if his beliefs are expressed on a discussion forum.

agreed

human superstitious would not end until we discuss about it

and discussion should be respectable manner

 

[bilby]

Caring what is said may be different to caring what is believed but not publically said or expressed on a discussion forum. Very few probably care about the latter; what someone privately believes is not an issue.

Syed is entitled to believe whatever he wants, but this is likely to be challenged if his beliefs are expressed on a discussion forum.

agreed

human superstitious would not end until we discuss about it

and discussion should be respectable manner

So it shouldn't include punishments for changing one's mind when presented with new information (apostasy); or for saying things that contradict dogma (heresy); or for saying mean things about a third-party who hasn't expressed any objection to what is being said (blasphemy)?

I agree.

So when are religious people going to start having respectable and respectful discussions?

 

[Syed]

agreed

human superstitious would not end until we discuss about it

and discussion should be respectable manner

So it shouldn't include punishments for changing one's mind when presented with new information (apostasy); or for saying things that contradict dogma (heresy); or for saying mean things about a third-party who hasn't expressed any objection to what is being said (blasphemy)?

I agree.

So when are religious people going to start having respectable and respectful discussions?

there is NO punishment for apostasy in this world not even satan but on judgement day

 

[bilby]

So it shouldn't include punishments for changing one's mind when presented with new information (apostasy); or for saying things that contradict dogma (heresy); or for saying mean things about a third-party who hasn't expressed any objection to what is being said (blasphemy)?

I agree.

So when are religious people going to start having respectable and respectful discussions?

there is NO punishment for apostasy in this world not even satan but on judgement day

There is a punishment for apostasy in at least 23 countries in this world - and in eight of those countries, apostasy is explicitly a capital crime.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/

You are, quite simply, wrong.

 

[Syed]

god is not a human engineer but he has control over every single atom in the universe and beyond
god made human from dead dirt and gave life to dead dirt, it is easy for god keep human live forever and young

(emphasis added)

If you are going with that angle now, then you should retract your earlier statements that "god can not make human to live on the sun" and "god can not create a biological human without brain or heart."

Apparently, the god can do those things.

Brian

if god can make human without brain and heart its make no sense he gave us brain and heart

 

[Syed]

there is NO punishment for apostasy in this world not even satan but on judgement day

There is a punishment for apostasy in at least 23 countries in this world - and in eight of those countries, apostasy is explicitly a capital crime.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/

You are, quite simply, wrong.

quran does not say punishment for apostasy

majority of muslims DONT understand islam

islam is very beautiful religion even muslims misunderstood

 

[bilby]

There is a punishment for apostasy in at least 23 countries in this world - and in eight of those countries, apostasy is explicitly a capital crime.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/

You are, quite simply, wrong.

quran does not say punishment for apostasy

majority of muslims DONT understand islam

I don't give a shit what the Quran says. It remains a fact that in at least 23 nations, one can be punished for apostasy in this world - despite your claim to the contrary.

 

[Brian63]

(emphasis added)

If you are going with that angle now, then you should retract your earlier statements that "god can not make human to live on the sun" and "god can not create a biological human without brain or heart."

Apparently, the god can do those things.

Brian

if god can make human without brain and heart its make no sense he gave us brain and heart

That is right. Also, that logic applies to not just the brain and heart, but to sooooooo many other things. So really, we can say:

if god can make human without [blank] its make no sense he gave us [blank].

For example then:

if god can make human without [diseases] its make no sense he gave us [diseases].

if god can make human without [pain and suffering] its make no sense he gave us [pain and suffering].

if god can make human without [stage IV cancer] its make no sense he gave us [stage IV cancer].

The list can go on and on much longer, besides just those examples. Your logic applies to not just the example you used though (brain and heart).

Brian

 

[Syed]

quran does not say punishment for apostasy

majority of muslims DONT understand islam

I don't give a shit what the Quran says. It remains a fact that in at least 23 nations, one can be punished for apostasy in this world - despite your claim to the contrary.

there are lots of thing that muslims do which is not islamic

sects is unislamic

stoning to death is unislamic

killing apostasy is unislamic

and many more

 

[Syed]

if god can make human without brain and heart its make no sense he gave us brain and heart

That is right. Also, that logic applies to not just the brain and heart, but to sooooooo many other things. So really, we can say:

if god can make human without [blank] its make no sense he gave us [blank].

For example then:

if god can make human without [diseases] its make no sense he gave us [diseases].

if god can make human without [pain and suffering] its make no sense he gave us [pain and suffering].

if god can make human without [stage IV cancer] its make no sense he gave us [stage IV cancer].

The list can go on and on much longer, besides just those examples. Your logic applies to not just the example you used though (brain and heart).

Brian

the purpose of human suffering and pain in this world is to make human a self learning creature as i understood

every science we developed because of to ease our suffering