Tasmania May Nix “Gender” From Birth Certificates to Support Trans Rights

[Tigers!]

We have gender on birth certificates because it's valuable information.

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If we did not record such information how would we know how many humanoids were born each year with opposing genitalia?

 

[Tigers!]

Thinking a little further
If we are forbidden to use boy/girl, male/female how will police we able to adequately describe an offender or a person of interest to them?

"Police are looking for a person"

 

[RavenSky]

Thinking a little further
If we are forbidden to use boy/girl, male/female how will police we able to adequately describe an offender or a person of interest to them?

"Police are looking for a person"

The OP premise is not that no one is allowed to use descriptors, but that each individual be allowed to make that determination later in life. I haven't decided which side of the fence I'm on here yet, but I do know that I have not seen a single good reason to keep the designator on the birth certificate.

As to your example, police aren't using a person's birth certificate to formulate their description. They would be using how the person looks, which may be "female" in spite of a birth certificate stating "male"

 

[Rhea]

This is all part of the left's plan to gender confuse our children. How will boys know they are boys without their birth certificates to refer to?

It will become a problem when their parents, teachers, rellies etc. are not allowed to use the terms boy or girl. Girls will suffer from the same problem.

Genuine question: Why do teachers need to use those terms?
I’ve been puzzling for a while over why anyone would need to know at any time, including on a passport, unless they were tryng to have children with you.

Genuinely would like to know why the gender identification is necessary outside of a reproductive agreement.

 

[bigfield]

This is all part of the left's plan to gender confuse our children. How will boys know they are boys without their birth certificates to refer to?

It will become a problem when their parents, teachers, rellies etc. are not allowed to use the terms boy or girl. Girls will suffer from the same problem.

Exactly! And all of the children will have to wear androgynous tunics like in that horror movie The Matrix Revolutions.

Thinking a little further
If we are forbidden to use boy/girl, male/female how will police we able to adequately describe an offender or a person of interest to them?

"Police are looking for a person"

That's the least of their problems. The police won't be able to do their jobs properly when they have to begin every traffic stop and every domestic disturbance call by asking everyone for their preferred pronouns.

 

[Tigers!]

This is all part of the left's plan to gender confuse our children. How will boys know they are boys without their birth certificates to refer to?

It will become a problem when their parents, teachers, rellies etc. are not allowed to use the terms boy or girl. Girls will suffer from the same problem.

Genuine question: Why do teachers need to use those terms?
I’ve been puzzling for a while over why anyone would need to know at any time, including on a passport, unless they were tryng to have children with you.

Genuinely would like to know why the gender identification is necessary outside of a reproductive agreement.

Just speaking for myself (no one else) I would like to have gender identification in some areas
1. Toilets - do not want to surprise nor be surprised
2. Clothes - No matter what I am told otherwise I find women are more attractive in ladies clothes than they are in men's clothes.
3. Gardening gloves - despite the alleged benefits of universal sizing I find that men's gloves fit my fat hands far better than ladies gloves.
4. Generally speaking the mean sizing men is larger than the mean sizing for women

 

[Tigers!]

Why cannot parents be given the choice to choose whether or not to record their child's sex on the birth certificate?

 

[Lion IRC]

I feel sorry for Tasmanian couples announcing the birth of their first child.
They'll be made to feel ashamed if they dare to declare "ITS A BOY" or "ITS A GIRL"
They will go for prenatal ultrasounds and wonder if it's politically incorrect to ask about the gender of their own child!

 

[RavenSky]

Genuine question: Why do teachers need to use those terms?
I’ve been puzzling for a while over why anyone would need to know at any time, including on a passport, unless they were tryng to have children with you.

Genuinely would like to know why the gender identification is necessary outside of a reproductive agreement.

Just speaking for myself (no one else) I would like to have gender identification in some areas
1. Toilets - do not want to surprise nor be surprised
2. Clothes - No matter what I am told otherwise I find women are more attractive in ladies clothes than they are in men's clothes.
3. Gardening gloves - despite the alleged benefits of universal sizing I find that men's gloves fit my fat hands far better than ladies gloves.
4. Generally speaking the mean sizing men is larger than the mean sizing for women

You need to check your birth certificate to know which clothing or garden gloves to buy?

 

[repoman]

Where do the needs of the larger society of people who are not transgender fit in?

 

[RavenSky]

Where do the needs of the larger society of people who are not transgender fit in?

Do you need your birth certificate to indicate your sex in order for you to know what it is?

 

[skepticalbip]

The importance of identifying sex on a legal document like a birth certificate is because of all the other governmental sex specific programs and laws.

 

[J842P]

As a piece of identifying information, sex is pretty useful, and it makes sense that it would go on a birth certificate.

 

[RavenSky]

As a piece of identifying information, sex is pretty useful, and it makes sense that it would go on a birth certificate.

Why?

 

[J842P]

As a piece of identifying information, sex is pretty useful, and it makes sense that it would go on a birth certificate.

Why?

Perhaps I am wrong, I don't have any children, but my understanding is that birth certificates serve as identifying documents. At least, the only time I've ever used mine is as an auxiliary piece of identifying information. As such, sex is a useful identifying characteristic, especially for a baby, which is when a birth certificate is issued. So I think it is a reasonable piece of information to have on a birth certificate.

I'm not sure what you are asking about, though. Are you why sex is a good piece of identifying information?

 

[RavenSky]

As a piece of identifying information, sex is pretty useful, and it makes sense that it would go on a birth certificate.

Why?

Perhaps I am wrong, I don't have any children, but my understanding is that birth certificates are identifying documents. As such, sex is a useful identifying characteristic, especially for a baby, which is when a birth certificate is issued. So I think it is a reasonable piece of information.

I'm not sure what you are asking about, though. Are you why sex is a good piece of identifying information?

I'm asking why you think the birth certificate is a good or necessary identifying document for purposes of identifying sex?

I do have a daughter, and 3 step-sons. Yes, throughout their early childhood I was required to produce their birth certificates to verify age and U.S. citizenship... typically for school enrollment.

In no situation did I need to produce a birth certificate to prove their sex.

The only people I know who think birth certificates are necessary to specifically prove sex are the religious freaks in the U.S. would like to see that happen in order for school children to use a bathroom or to find shelter from an active rampage shooter.

So I'm still trying to find an actual VALID reason to indicate sex on a birth certificate.

Ironically, it was my daughter's hospital certificate of birth (not the official government issued birth certificate) that had what I think was a much more important identifying piece of information - her footprints.

 

[J842P]

Perhaps I am wrong, I don't have any children, but my understanding is that birth certificates are identifying documents. As such, sex is a useful identifying characteristic, especially for a baby, which is when a birth certificate is issued. So I think it is a reasonable piece of information.

I'm not sure what you are asking about, though. Are you why sex is a good piece of identifying information?

I'm asking why you think the birth certificate is a good or necessary identifying document for purposes of identifying sex?

I do have a daughter, and 3 step-sons. Yes, throughout their early childhood I was required to produce their birth certificates to verify age and U.S. citizenship... typically for school enrollment.

In no situation did I need to produce a birth certificate to prove their sex.

The only people I know who think birth certificates are necessary to specifically prove sex are the religious freaks in the U.S. would like to see that happen in order for school children to use a bathroom or to find shelter from an active rampage shooter.

So I'm still trying to find an actual VALID reason to indicate sex on a birth certificate.

Ironically, it was my daughter's hospital certificate of birth (not the official government issued birth certificate) that had what I think was a much more important identifying piece of information - her footprints.

I didn't say it was important for identifying sex. I said it was important for identifying a person, and sex is a useful component of that. Yes, fingerprints, footprints, are also good.

 

[RavenSky]

I didn't say it was important for identifying sex. I said it was important for identifying a person, and sex is a useful component of that...

And again I will ask why you think so?

Let's say I bring my child to a new public school to enroll. She dresses and looks and self-identifies as a girl. Why, in your opinion, would it be necessary for me to also produce a birth certificate to confirm her sex?

Or let's imagine a worse scenario... my child has been abducted. I identify her to police as a girl. Her current photos confirm that. I am able to provide footprints and/or fingerprints for genuine identification. Are you suggesting that police would also need her birth certificate to verify sex? Really?

 

[J842P]

I didn't say it was important for identifying sex. I said it was important for identifying a person, and sex is a useful component of that...

And again I will ask why you think so?

Let's say I bring my child to a new public school to enroll. She dresses and looks and self-identifies as a girl. Why, in your opinion, would it be necessary for me to also produce a birth certificate to confirm her sex?

What? I am not claiming that it would be necessary to produce a birth certificate to confirm someone's sex. If the question is your child's sex, then that can be reliably told by various medical tests. I am not claiming that birth certificates are useful for determining sex, they merely record that determination.

Again, are you claiming sex is *not a useful identifying characteristic*?

 

[Angry Floof]

Lots of triggering and chest puffing going on in this thread.