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The cruelty towards Trans members of the military by Trump and company

You said it was inappropriate to recruit them for the army.

If they are not incompetent, (and they're not) why is it inappropriate to employ them in any role?

I feel as if we are going in circles.
 
You said it was inappropriate to recruit them for the army.

If they are not incompetent, (and they're not) why is it inappropriate to employ them in any role?

I feel as if we are going in circles.

Quote me where I said they were incompetent.

I’ll save you some time, I never said such a thing.
 
The real cruelty is the woke that went out of their way to recruit inappropriate candidates into the military. Now that the woke phase is all but over, these people are again, collateral damage in much the same way as Jason Arday at Cambridge. It was bound to end in tears.
I'd REALLY like you to tease out the word "inappropriate".

This woman was doing the job, and doing it well.

First of all, “Chloe” is not a woman.

To be honest, I didn’t read the article because it is behind a paywall. But I can still use Sam Brinton as a point of reference. I’m sure the article is going to be bias and tug on the heart strings of the woke. Maybe “she” was doing a good job and maybe “she” wasn’t.
It's not supposed to be behind a paywall, as I'm a subscriber who is permitted to share 10 articles per month and this was my first one. Maybe Wapo fucked up or maybe you're not being honest.

You sure do hate a lot of people who are different from yourself. Trans folks have been around since as long as humans have been around, but it's only been in the past century that they've had ways the can transition. Sadly, idiots still hate them and/or don't want to accept the truth.

Can't you get it that sometimes the gender of the body doesn't match the gender ID in the brain. Is it that difficult for you to understand? Regardless, this WOMAN was a very honorable member of the military who was promised severance pay that SHE never received. It was cruel to do this to trans folks who were putting their lives on the line for others.
 
No you said it was inappropriate to employ them.

Incompetence is the only reason I can think of for NOT employing someone.

For, I think, the fifth time of asking. What characteristics of transgender or gender fluid people make them inappropriate for employment?
 
https://factually.co/fact-checks/so...-people-evidence-and-cultural-examples-7a8911

1. Ancient and non-Western evidence shows gender variance is longstanding
Anthropologists and historians document gender-variant roles in many societies—examples include Egyptian accounts dated to roughly 1200 BCE and acknowledged third-gender or nonbinary roles such as the Hawaiian mahu and Indigenous North American two-spirit or nadleehi traditions—showing that cultures have long recognized people who do not fit a strict male/female binary [1] [4] [5].
2. Classical sources and early records list individuals and roles now read as transgender
Classical writers recorded figures like the enarei among Scythians and the galli eunuch-priests of antiquity, and historians point to examples in Roman, Byzantine and medieval records that include people living in cross-gender roles or changing social sex, indicating that gender variance was visible to contemporaries long before modern terminology [6] [1] [7].
3. Modern archival work recovers overlooked trans lives from recent centuries
Scholars working in archives have identified people who lived across genders in 17th–19th century America and Europe—including documented cases of individuals who presented and lived as another gender for decades—and historians argue these lives constitute a traceable transgender history even if contemporaries used different words and legal systems often criminalized or erased them [8] [9] [10].

Perhaps some people who don't. understand anything about transgender folks, could do some reading on their own. Of course, one has to believe what scientists and social scientists have found and some people obviously don't believed in science.
 
No you said it was inappropriate to employ them.

Sometimes it is. Sometimes people get employed because of DEI, just like Jason Arday did. And they become collateral damage. And the ending can be tragic.
Incompetence is the only reason I can think of for NOT employing someone.

Think harder and don’t put words in my mouth.
For, I think, the fifth time of asking. What characteristics of transgender or gender fluid people make them inappropriate for employment?

Why was “Chloe” admitted into the military? Start there.
 
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Why was “Chloe” admitted into the military? Start there.

Please, TSwizzle, I have no knowledge of the history of this particular case.

Please tell me why she was admitted to the military, if it wasn't for the usual reasons, and then enlighten me as to why you consider it inappropriate.

I'm not asking because I enjoy typing. I would like to know and understand.

PS I've put no words in your mouth. I gave my opinion. I think that's allowed.
 
Okay.....let's start here.....prior to the disgusting felon we have as president now, transgender people were permitted to enter the military. I think it was initially permitted when Obama was president. Trump ended it, then Biden restarted it, then the disgusting, hateful asshole we have now who is literally destroying what's good about the US, not only stopped allowing new transgender recruits, but kicked out those who had already been serving their country, some for many years who had even received honors for their service. They were all promised severance pay, and some did receive it, but some never did, including the woman mentioned in the article. Let me try again to post it as it's not supposed to be behind a paywall.....Give me a minute or two.
 
https://wapo.st/3Sl9JFz

She’d tried to track down the payment. She’d made exactly 100 phone calls to military officials. She’d contacted her senator and her representative. She’d filed an inspector general’s complaint, and she’d texted every former National Guard superior whose phone number she had. No one could tell her why she hadn’t received the money or if she ever would.
Shapiro’s case is extreme, but The Washington Post has identified at least a dozen transgender troops who still have not received tens of thousands of dollars of severance funds they are owed, according to nonprofit leaders and lawyers. The total number of former service members who might have had severance payments withheld is unclear because each branch has different payment procedures.
An Indiana Army National Guardsman with twin 3-year-olds amassed $10,000 in debt while waiting for a $130,000 check.

An Air Force major who flew search-and-rescue helicopters was supposed to receive $340,000 and now relies on food banks for groceries.
And at least 17 other Air Force members were promised early retirement, only to have the government claw back the agreement before the payments arrived.
Chloe is the person in the article and it seems that despite someone's claim that he couldn't access the article, he was able to view the photo of the woman, so I'm a bit skeptical of the claim about the article being behind a paywall, although I've been told that sometimes WaPo asks for an email address before allowing one to read a free article. I wouldn't know since I've been a subscriber for years, but I can post more of the article if requested.
Chloe Shapiro is one of a dozen former service members identified by The Washington Post who have waited months for full payments.
 
https://wapo.st/3Sl9JFz

She’d tried to track down the payment. She’d made exactly 100 phone calls to military officials. She’d contacted her senator and her representative. She’d filed an inspector general’s complaint, and she’d texted every former National Guard superior whose phone number she had. No one could tell her why she hadn’t received the money or if she ever would.
Shapiro’s case is extreme, but The Washington Post has identified at least a dozen transgender troops who still have not received tens of thousands of dollars of severance funds they are owed, according to nonprofit leaders and lawyers. The total number of former service members who might have had severance payments withheld is unclear because each branch has different payment procedures.
An Indiana Army National Guardsman with twin 3-year-olds amassed $10,000 in debt while waiting for a $130,000 check.

An Air Force major who flew search-and-rescue helicopters was supposed to receive $340,000 and now relies on food banks for groceries.
And at least 17 other Air Force members were promised early retirement, only to have the government claw back the agreement before the payments arrived.
Chloe is the person in the article and it seems that despite someone's claim that he couldn't access the article, he was able to view the photo of the woman, so I'm a bit skeptical of the claim about the article being behind a paywall, although I've been told that sometimes WaPo asks for an email address before allowing one to read a free article. I wouldn't know since I've been a subscriber for years, but I can post more of the article if requested.
Chloe Shapiro is one of a dozen former service members identified by The Washington Post who have waited months for full payments.
I can't read the article either without giving out my email address or creating an account which I don't want to do. I already get enough spam as it is. The WaPO is not asking for money, though. But you can see Chloe's picture at the top and the title of the article. Is there some other way to view the article?

Is Chloe not receiving severence pay because she's transgender, or is it because of a broken system*? That doesn't seem clear, but the article (and you, with the OP title) seems to want you to think that it's because she's transgender. Other transgender people apparently received their severance pay. For what reason would they single out Chloe?

Regarding transwomen in the military, I'm kind of on the fence about it. I'm not sure its a great idea, for the same reasons that I have regarding transwomen being in female locker rooms, female prisons, etc. I would have to know more about the living conditions and the military lifestyle to come to a firm conclusion about it. For example, do transwomen use female group showers on board a ship or at a military base? How do the biological women feel about that? Questions like that. The military rejects a lot of potential recruits based on various physical and mental limitations or disabilities, including basic things like height and weight, poor eyesight, bone spurs ( ;) ). Is gender identity somehow a sacred cow?

* Example: My brother is the trustee of my parents' estate and he has been trying for several years to get mutual fund assets (over $30,000) now residing with the CA Sec of State Controller's office that is clearly in my parents' name. They rarely answer the phone, and if they do, they put him on hold for an ungodly amount of time, they don't follow up and they most recently sent a lettter to him denying the claim due to "insufficient proof of identity", with no details. Its been a nightmare. It has nothing to do with anyone's race or gender. And yet, others have received their funds from the State Controller with minimal hassle. Sometimes you just get lucky, sometime not.
 
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Sorry that WaPo makes you give an email address to read what is supposed to be a shared article. I understand not wanting to give that information. I get tons of emails everyday from all kinds of crazy things. I will try to post articles from the NYT as the NYT doesn't do that.
 
https://wapo.st/3Sl9JFz

She’d tried to track down the payment. She’d made exactly 100 phone calls to military officials. She’d contacted her senator and her representative. She’d filed an inspector general’s complaint, and she’d texted every former National Guard superior whose phone number she had. No one could tell her why she hadn’t received the money or if she ever would.
Shapiro’s case is extreme, but The Washington Post has identified at least a dozen transgender troops who still have not received tens of thousands of dollars of severance funds they are owed, according to nonprofit leaders and lawyers. The total number of former service members who might have had severance payments withheld is unclear because each branch has different payment procedures.
An Indiana Army National Guardsman with twin 3-year-olds amassed $10,000 in debt while waiting for a $130,000 check.

An Air Force major who flew search-and-rescue helicopters was supposed to receive $340,000 and now relies on food banks for groceries.
And at least 17 other Air Force members were promised early retirement, only to have the government claw back the agreement before the payments arrived.
Chloe is the person in the article and it seems that despite someone's claim that he couldn't access the article, he was able to view the photo of the woman, so I'm a bit skeptical of the claim about the article being behind a paywall, although I've been told that sometimes WaPo asks for an email address before allowing one to read a free article. I wouldn't know since I've been a subscriber for years, but I can post more of the article if requested.
Chloe Shapiro is one of a dozen former service members identified by The Washington Post who have waited months for full payments.
I can't read the article either without giving out my email address or creating an account which I don't want to do. I already get enough spam as it is. The WaPO is not asking for money, though. But you can see Chloe's picture at the top and the title of the article. Is there some other way to view the article?

Is Chloe not receiving severence pay because she's transgender, or is it because of a broken system*? That doesn't seem clear, but the article (and you, with the OP title) seems to want you to think that it's because she's transgender. Other transgender people apparently received their severance pay. For what reason would they single out Chloe?

Regarding transwomen in the military, I'm kind of on the fence about it. I'm not sure its a great idea, for the same reasons that I have regarding transwomen being in female locker rooms, female prisons, etc. I would have to know more about the living conditions and the military lifestyle to come to a firm conclusion about it. For example, do transwomen use female group showers on board a ship or at a military base? How do the biological women feel about that? Questions like that. The military rejects a lot of potential recruits based on various physical and mental limitations or disabilities, including basic things like height and weight, poor eyesight, bone spurs ( ;) ). Is gender identity somehow a sacred cow?

* Example: My brother is the trustee of my parents' estate and he has been trying for several years to get mutual fund assets (over $30,000) now residing with the CA Sec of State Controller's office that is clearly in my parents' name. They rarely answer the phone, and if they do, they put him on hold for an ungodly amount of time, they don't follow up and they most recently sent a lettter to him denying the claim due to "insufficient proof of identity", with no details. Its been a nightmare. It has nothing to do with anyone's race or gender. And yet, others have received their funds from the State Controller with minimal hassle. Sometimes you just get lucky, sometime not.
Not sure what difference it makes WHY they haven't been paid. NO VETERAN transgendered or not should be denied pay legally owed to them. That said, this article is not about ALL service members but rather those forced into retirement due to the gender expression.

And gender expression has ZERO to do with physical limitations such as height, weight, poor eyesight, bone spurs..etc., so have zero relevance with regards to military service.
 
I would have to know more about the living conditions and the military lifestyle to come to a firm conclusion about it. For example, do transwomen use female group showers on board a ship or at a military base? How do the biological women feel about that?
Honestly, I know practically nothing about the arrangements in the military, so I am guessing.

It seems most likely that in the relatively structured and disciplined world of the military those sorts of issues could easily be dealt with. What I could more easily see is folks like Chloe being quietly and surreptitiously sabotaged by transphobic coworkers and such. People who just don't like those ungodly weirdos and can get rid of them, particularly easy in the current Trump/Hegseth regime.

Just my guess, but I do have a clue about how bigots can get things done.
Tom
 
The real cruelty is the woke that went out of their way to recruit inappropriate candidates into the military. Now that the woke phase is all but over, these people are again, collateral damage in much the same way as Jason Arday at Cambridge. It was bound to end in tears.
I'd REALLY like you to tease out the word "inappropriate".

This woman was doing the job, and doing it well.

First of all, “Chloe” is not a woman.

To be honest, I didn’t read the article because it is behind a paywall. But I can still use Sam Brinton as a point of reference. I’m sure the article is going to be bias and tug on the heart strings of the woke. Maybe “she” was doing a good job and maybe “she” wasn’t.
They are all infinitely more qualified for their jobs than Hegseth or any of the rest of you people.
 
They are all infinitely more qualified for their jobs than Hegseth or any of the rest of you people.
^ THAT!
I wonder what qualifies the climate denyer to judge the performance of military personnel from way way afar.
The answer is very probably nothing. But I’m open to any information about Swiz’s illustrious military career. 🙄
 
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