The Joker, Incels, Threats And FBI Warnings

[Jarhyn]

So, for some time I thought I was straight. I didn't really figure out my sexuality or real interests beyond a vague assumption of them until I was 20 years old or so.

Before that, I was a frustrated virgin. And of course being atypical didn't help. I was on the very cusp of being an "Incel", though that movement didn't really exist at the time. If it had, I would have fallen in. I certainly had inkings of the proto-ideology that spawned it. I was a "precancerous cell'.

I can look back on my ignorance of those days and hate who I was, for how awful he was to women because he didn't understand that the problem was him. If the internet had gotten to me in those days, I would be a person today-me would despise. It was a narrow thing.

So of course I look at the cult of the Incel movement, when it arose, and I can see exactly what happened as I was on the edge of a yawning abyss once myself.

But to someone who doesn't even understand that the majority of women don't WANT to have meaningless hookup sex just to fire their rocks off? I don't hold out any hope.

The only thing that changed is the internet, and the internet and online dating existed long before 2008. What didn't was a popular movement that radicalized young men into hating women and trapping them in an echo-chamber cult that pulls the further from reasonable relationships with the opposite sex.

All the rest of us can see that Incels are members of the "pilled" cult, and that it just makes them more repellant as people, insulating them from growth and deepening their issues. I note this because I was once on that precipice and every Incel I have encountered has further reinforced that view.

Edit: as soon as you fall into the belief that the problem isn't your behavior and comportment, as soon as you start blaming others for things that YOU need to work on for yourself, you are lost.

 

[ZiprHead]

Tinder plays big role in this. There are so many choices that people get choosy, the most attractive get lots of partners, the less attractive get almost none.

But it is not even for the genders. Vast majority of women can easily get laid on Tinder, but only a small minority of men can.

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

What do you expect from a site that uses almost 100% visual evaluation for choosing sex partners?

I've never picked up a woman in a bar and had sex with her. Bars and nightclubs are also a mostly visual medium because it's often difficult to maintain a conversation and I'm not a good looking man. That doesn't mean I never got any sex. You have to play up other qualities, like compassion, caring, and kindness. Frankly, you come across as not caring two shits about women unless they're willing to fuck you. Most women can see that a mile away. Your problem is you and nobody else's.

 

[Elixir]

You have to play up other qualities, like compassion, caring, and kindness.

Back in the day - before AIDS and during the counterculture/free love "movement" that used to be how to get laid.
Now, nice guys finish last, or so it seems.

 

[ZiprHead]

You have to play up other qualities, like compassion, caring, and kindness.

Back in the day - before AIDS and during the counterculture/free love "movement" that used to be how to get laid.
Now, nice guys finish last, or so it seems.

If you're old enough to remember the free love movement, I don't think you can really relevantly comment on how things are today as far as casual sexual relationships go. Hell, that was even before my time.

 

[Trausti]

Seems one of the consequences of over-representation of women with university degrees is the perceived drought of marital prospects - by men and women. Women with university degrees tend to prefer men with university degrees. With fewer men obtaining university degrees (by comparison), there are fewer male prospects for these women. Men tend not to care but it takes two to tango. The female CEO marries another CEO; the male CEO marries his secretary. Seinfeld had a funny bit on this. Paradoxically, women's liberation - in this regard - has given rise to issues similar to polygamous societies: a few males monopolize the women leaving the remaining males frustrated and violent.

 

[Jarhyn]

You have to play up other qualities, like compassion, caring, and kindness.

Back in the day - before AIDS and during the counterculture/free love "movement" that used to be how to get laid.
Now, nice guys finish last, or so it seems.

If you're old enough to remember the free love movement, I don't think you can really relevantly comment on how things are today as far as casual sexual relationships go. Hell, that was even before my time.

Yeah, of you're having a hard time getting laid and remember the 70's, it may be because you might want to look for cougar hunters and GILFS.

 

[Jokodo]

Seems one of the consequences of over-representation of women with university degrees is the perceived drought of marital prospects - by men and women. Women with university degrees tend to prefer men with university degrees. With fewer men obtaining university degrees (by comparison), there are fewer male prospects for these women. Men tend not to care but it takes two to tango. The female CEO marries another CEO; the male CEO marries his secretary. Seinfeld had a funny bit on this. Paradoxically, women's liberation - in this regard - has given rise to issues similar to polygamous societies: a few males monopolize the women leaving the remaining males frustrated and violent.

I don't know, start lawyer Amal Alamuddin did marry a mere actor for his pretty face.

 

[Trausti]

Seems one of the consequences of over-representation of women with university degrees is the perceived drought of marital prospects - by men and women. Women with university degrees tend to prefer men with university degrees. With fewer men obtaining university degrees (by comparison), there are fewer male prospects for these women. Men tend not to care but it takes two to tango. The female CEO marries another CEO; the male CEO marries his secretary. Seinfeld had a funny bit on this. Paradoxically, women's liberation - in this regard - has given rise to issues similar to polygamous societies: a few males monopolize the women leaving the remaining males frustrated and violent.

I don't know, start lawyer Amal Alamuddin did marry a mere actor for his pretty face.

Well, yes, there's always money and power.

 

[Elixir]

You have to play up other qualities, like compassion, caring, and kindness.

Back in the day - before AIDS and during the counterculture/free love "movement" that used to be how to get laid.
Now, nice guys finish last, or so it seems.

If you're old enough to remember the free love movement, I don't think you can really relevantly comment on how things are today as far as casual sexual relationships go. Hell, that was even before my time.

Good point. So... how are things today?

 

[Derec]

even understand that the majority of women don't WANT to have meaningless hookup sex just to fire their rocks off? I don't hold out any hope.

So why are so many women on Tinder et al having "meaningless hookup sex" with good looking bad boys then?
Why are so many women going on vacations to places like Dominican Republic or Jamaica and hooking up with young, good looking bartenders or lifeguards for a vacation fling?

The only thing that changed is the internet, and the internet and online dating existed long before 2008.

Not nearly to the same extent as it existed since then.

Edit: as soon as you fall into the belief that the problem isn't your behavior and comportment, as soon as you start blaming others for things that YOU need to work on for yourself, you are lost.

Well, I recognized that the game is rigged, so I refuse to play. It's like in War Games:


Or like somebody who used to buy lottery tickets every week, but then studied math and learned some probability and quit.

 

[Derec]

What do you expect from a site that uses almost 100% visual evaluation for choosing sex partners?

It's not about what I expect, it's about the fact that Tinder/Bumble and dating sites like that are huge.

And it's not like offline dating is much better. That's why a guy like this has two women fighting over him even though he has pending charges for domestic violence and kidnapping ...


... but nobody is fighting over this guy.


Ok, so both of those women have crazy/weird eyes, but still.

You have to play up other qualities, like compassion, caring, and kindness.

If you think that that's what gets men laid these days and not good hair and a six pack, you are very naïve.

Frankly, you come across as not caring two shits about women unless they're willing to fuck you. Most women can see that a mile away. Your problem is you and nobody else's.

I am past caring because I have given up on this rigged game a long time ago!

 

[Jarhyn]

So why are so many women on Tinder et al having "meaningless hookup sex" with good looking bad boys then?
Why are so many women going on vacations to places like Dominican Republic or Jamaica and hooking up with young, good looking bartenders or lifeguards for a vacation fling?


Not nearly to the same extent as it existed since then.

Edit: as soon as you fall into the belief that the problem isn't your behavior and comportment, as soon as you start blaming others for things that YOU need to work on for yourself, you are lost.

Well, I recognized that the game is rigged, so I refuse to play. It's like in War Games:
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Or like somebody who used to buy lottery tickets every week, but then studied math and learned some probability and quit.

So, ignoring for a moment that I suspect you came here to bitch because you just dropped a bunch of money on some recent investment that you resent feeling as if you had to make to achieve some goal you feel was important to achieve, i see you have not learned what you described: your probability of convincing us, given the nature of your posts here, that your problem is not your repellant personality rather than the behavior of a vanishing minority of girls, is zero. Yet here you are anyway trying.

Maybe instead of whinging online that things are hard (despite the fact that you are not even TRYING to be better, not even trying to grow as a person), you could be out there actually trying to understand what women want from a person in a relationship, fostering positive relationships with others, and ultimately being a person not seeking "to get laid" but rather to communicate and grow.

 

[Trausti]

If you think that that's what gets men laid these days and not good hair and a six pack, you are very naïve.

Well, yeah. We're the product of sexual selection. Anyone can increase their attractiveness with exercise, diet, good hair cut, good job, etc. It's silly to focus on Tender/Grinder. If you're not a 10/10, don't bother. But there are plenty of women elsewhere.

 

[Elixir]

If you think that that's what gets men laid these days and not good hair and a six pack, you are very naïve.

Well, yeah. We're the product of sexual selection. Anyone can increase their attractiveness with exercise, diet, good hair cut, good job, etc. It's silly to focus on Tender/Grinder. If you're not a 10/10, don't bother. But there are plenty of women elsewhere.

I think you yourself pointed out elsewhere that money and power do the trick - afaics they are far more reliable than good looks. The sixpack thing though... I believe it depends on whether you can get her to drink it.

 

[ZiprHead]

If you're old enough to remember the free love movement, I don't think you can really relevantly comment on how things are today as far as casual sexual relationships go. Hell, that was even before my time.

Good point. So... how are things today?

LOL, I've been married since 1990. I have no idea of how casual sexual hookups work today.

 

[Derec]

Well, yeah. We're the product of sexual selection.

But it was easier to find a partner in the centuries past. Usually families arranged something and people were were more or less monogamous.

Anyone can increase their attractiveness with exercise, diet,

That has limited utility. I have been trying to lose weight for decades!

good hair cut,

Not possible for me.

good job, etc.

Not really interested in women who want to take advantage of me for money. I might as well continue paying sex worker - at least it's more honest.

It's silly to focus on Tender/Grinder. If you're not a 10/10, don't bother. But there are plenty of women elsewhere.

I don't think offline dating is fundamentally different. Looks are still very important. Otherwise good looking players would not be able to juggle several side chicks at the same time.

 

[Jarhyn]

LOL, "for my money". Yes, there are all sorts of people, men and women, who are gold diggers. Our neighbor's mom just dumped a couple hundred thousand on a gold digger man.

But really, most people just don't want to worry about someone being a non-contributor.

That's why a good job is important: so that they know that the number one argument between people in a relationship won't be a spectre in their lives (arguing about money!) When you both have your own money, that isn't an issue.

As to hair, there are always options, including taking it all off. But enough with making excuses. They are exactly that: excuses. Granted that hole is so deep from being dug for all these years that I recognize that pulling oneself out of it may, in fact, be asking too much.

 

[Derec]

I have no idea of how casual sexual hookups work today.

It's a soul-crushing postapocalyptic hellscape unless you happen to be a woman or man in the top 20% by attractiveness.

 

[Jarhyn]

I have no idea of how casual sexual hookups work today.

It's a soul-crushing postapocalyptic hellscape unless you happen to be a woman or man in the top 20% by attractiveness.

Wow, what a mythical world you live in to believe that. This is, to be sure, the result of living in a cultlike echo chamber.

Of course, maybe some things are different for me, as I'm gay, but I absolutely would not put myself in the top 20% at any rate. I know from experience that I can go to the bar, and end the night getting my dick wet maybe one night in five, though. If I were to look within my circle of friends, that goes up to maybe 2/3 chance. If I wanted to get with someone who would fuck me (a top), maybe 1/6 chance.

If I really felt like it, I would put my chances at around one in ten at going out to a bar, and coming home with a girl's phone number. If I wanted to be a sleezy piece of utter shit, I bet about 1/20 chance I would be able to get laid first shot.

Hell, once I even convinced a total 10/10 hotty gaychad to come back and hook up with me from DC a year later. I liked him, but we didn't have enough in common to really keep that going.

 

[Rhea]

I am past caring because I have given up on this rigged game a long time ago!

Your claim that you have “given up” is proven false by the fact that you are STILL talking about it.

The truth is that guys who look like you still get dates and wives. They have to use other methods to be attractive to a mate, (like being kind and pleasant) as do women who are not good looking. Yet they still get mates.

If you had truly “given up,” you would not keep posting these “poor me” screeds about how evil women are and your poor math about what “most” women do, in your mind.