Wow, are you living under a rock?
Wow, do you not know how to read? I wrote (emphasis added so as to make sure you didn't miss it again):
Show me one professional female athlete who is raising any issue at all regarding the .000000001% chance of a transgender male to female taking over their sport--or the masses of scholarships that are being taken away from anyone--for this to even remotely be considered any kind of real world harm and maybe you'd have some semblance of a point...
You responded by posting the following links:
Laurel Hubbard. This link refers to a New Zealand based lobby group called “
Speak Up For Women” raising the issue. Speak Up is made up of:
Our group includes teachers, academics, health professionals, care workers, activists, lawyers, corporates, retirees, and students.
Next you posted:
Veronica Ivy. This link is just about how the cycling world has restructured their testosterone limits in regard to transgendered competitors:
Transgender athletes have been able to compete in the Olympics since 2004 but under the requirement they had undergone gender confirmation surgery and been on hormone therapy for two years.
In 2015, these rules were relaxed to remove the need for surgery and the athletes must have a testosterone level below 10nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to their first competition. The average range for adult females is 0.52 to 2.8 nmol/L, with levels above 2.7 described as the “upper limit of normal.”
But this 10nmol/L limit will now be halved to 5nmol/L under the new rule.
The reason given for the 5nmol/L testosterone level is because the threshold may be higher than the levels often found in women, (between 0 and 1.7 nmol/L) but most transgender women’s testosterone level is typically well below the 5 nmol/L limit.
Then you posted this link:
Mary Gregory. This link is about a transgender powerlifter who was stripped of her titles because she had not yet completed her transition:
A transgender woman from Virginia who set world records in a powerlifting competition last month has been stripped of those titles, after sports officials determined she had not completed her transition from male to female....According to news reports, Ms. Gregory had completed 11 months of a 12-month hormone therapy regimen to reduce her testosterone at the time of the competition.
The article further noted something the previous article mentioned as well, that there are evidently plans of creating a transgender category:
In future competitions, she will compete in her own category.
“The lifter will be placed in a different category once the Transgender Division is introduced with a new policy,” the federation said in a statement posted on its website.
You then posted:
Andraya Yearwood and Terry Miller. This link is about a high school girl in Connecticut complaining that the State does not have a similar hormone test:
Soule, a Glastonbury High School junior, believes the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference (CIAC) policy that allows transgender girls to compete in girls’ sports without any hormone treatment is unfair.
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Experts in girls’ sports and Title IX, the federal law that requires that women have equal access to sports, believe Soule and other cisgender athletes could have a valid complaint. They point out that both the NCAA and the Olympic Committee require transgender women to receive hormone treatment for at least a year and be tested for testosterone levels. The CIAC does not require either.
So their complaint isn't that transgendered are allowed to compete; it is that they aren't following the rules already established. Of further note, their complaint is being pushed by a notoriously conservative "Christian" hate group ironically called the Alliance Defending Freedom:
It’s a rift that has been driven even deeper by the involvement of the Alliance Defending Freedom, the group that filed the Title IX complaint on behalf of Soule and two other female athletes. The ADF has opposed allowing transgender girls in traditional girls-only spaces, including bathrooms and locker rooms.
Alliance Defending Freedom:
Founded by some 30 leaders of the Christian Right, the Alliance Defending Freedom is a legal advocacy and training group that has supported the recriminalization of sexual acts between consenting LGBTQ adults in the U.S. and criminalization abroad; has defended state-sanctioned sterilization of trans people abroad; has contended that LGBTQ people are more likely to engage in pedophilia; and claims that a “homosexual agenda” will destroy Christianity and society. ADF also works to develop “religious liberty” legislation and case law that will allow the denial of goods and services to LGBTQ people on the basis of religion. Since the election of President Trump, ADF has become one of the most influential groups informing the administration’s attack on LGBTQ rights.
So, nice going
You want to play the "forced segregation" game?
No, but you clearly do:
Okay fine. I want sports divisions that are divided on the basis of sex to maintain that division.
You've got your wish.
Because you what happens when you make it all co-ed?
Competition increases and some people win and some people lose?
Guess who never gets to play?
Never? Never-ever?
Now, if you want to redefine the classes on some other basis that makes it make sense - weight classes, testosterone levels, whatever, then I'm fine with that.
And lo and behold, once again, you got your wish. Too bad you didn't actually read the articles you posted before posting them.
But at the end of the day, there are actual real physical differences between males and females of the human species.
Then how was it possible for any female athlete to break Mark Spitz's records? Or for any female athlete to EVER beat any other male athlete at anything ever-ever?
You know who ALSO loses to male athletes? Other male athletes. So how are we going to handicap the best of the best so
all those other male athletes get their chance to win a scholarship or a gold medal? Or don't
skills matter? Don't you care just as passionately for the
millions of lesser (male) athletes who also don't get scholarships because of better male athletes?
MOST sports are about one's skills, not just one's bone density or muscle mass. But at the same time, most such "biological" conditions are not steady-state, or, once again, no woman would have EVER broken any male's records. So what happened between the time Mark Spitz set his records and the women who broke them years later? It sure as shit wasn't a remarkable quantum leap in evolution that just magically compressed hundreds of thousands of years of evolution into a few decades.
More likely, it was the shift in
cultural attitudes that allowed women to compete
at all that in turn meant there was a skill set learning curve to catch up on and once they did, guess what happened? Mark Spitz's records were broken by women athletes.
Do you also think that Affirmative Action is a bad idea
Joy! More irony. No, I don't, because (a) whataboutism is a fallacy and (b) the reason for AA was due to systemic racism deliberately stopping the best of the best from competing openly. Iow, it was necessary to force white people from choosing other white people over
better qualified applicants of color, so by raising that as an analogy to what YOU are advocating here, you are ironically arguing that female athletes who ARE better than their male counterparts should nevertheless be forced to only compete against other women so that no woman can ever surpass another man, no matter how much better she may be at a sport than he is.
Horseshit. How do you not feel safe by another woman being in your locker room? Your bigoted ignorance about transgendered people does not translate into you not being safe or secure (or private for that matter).
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Address the actual argument, not this bigoted bullshit. If you're not safe, secure or private when there is another woman in your bathroom or locker room then you have no fucking argument.
It's not other women that's the concern. It's people with penises.
Aaaaand we're back to your bigoted ignorance about transgendered people. YOU are
really talking about predators. You aren't coming right out and saying it, but that is what you are actually talking about:
it's people who appear to be men being in our spaces while we're naked. If a transwoman is even moderately passing, it's unlikely to be a problem for other women, unless they're waggling their penis around. But when a person who looks like a man comes into a place where women are naked and vulnerable, it's something that women worry about.
Once again, what transgendered person has EVER done anything even remotely like "waggling their penis around" in a woman's locker room?
You are talking about a completely different subject that has zero to do with transgendered people.
If you aren't a professional female athlete arguing that your livelihood is somehow being taken away by the millions of transgender athletes that are now plotting to undergo operations just to steal your trophy, then you have no fucking argument.
By your standard here, you also don't have a right to an opinion on this topic.
See, that's the problem with tu quoque and why it's a fallacy, but thank you for tacitly understanding that since neither of us have exclusive rights to opine on the matter, you can't pull that bullshit about me not being female again as an attempt to dismiss my points.
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