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The Most Extraordinary ______ that Humanity has ever produced

To become a famous opera singer, you have to be quite outstanding.
Indeed! I was friends with a talented protégé soprano when we were both in college, and I will say that socializing with her made the physical and mental demands of that profession very poignant to me. I certainly never met a footballer or basketballer who lived such a tightly regimented life as she was obliged to do, nor ended the week looking quite so exhausted as dear Bev! She eventually won a regional singing competition and decided to accept it as her crowning achievement ... before changing majors and bowing out. Married and helped her husband run his business after that. Her maestra was most diappointed, but it is not a career one can do by halves, and she had other goals in life, you know?
I can certainly understand that. I changed my career goals several times and to be brutally honest, I ended up getting a nursing degree because I wanted a career where I could change jobs as often as I wanted to, be independent from my first husband, and where the choices would be unlimited. As a former English major, I had outstanding documentation, which got me into a QA supervisor role. Documentation was so important to me that I got depressed whenever my notes were shredded at my last job. In Georgia, you only have to keep documentation for something like five years. After that you can't be sued for malpractice. To me, documentation was evidence of my hard work. These days it's all on computers and most of it sucks. I even briefly took a job reviewing quality of care in nursing homes and it was fun writing up doctors who missed things. The travel was too much for me, so I didn't last long. A lot of careers can be overwhelming for one reason or another.

Speaking of healthcare, we haven't mentioned any of the greatest developments in medicine. We can start with vaccines, of course. I was a child when the polio vaccine was developed, and my son was a child when the MMR vaccine was approved. Think of all the diseases that have been prevented by vaccines. Let's hope we still have them in the future and the anitvax movement will come to an end. While there are many other amazing medical developments, I think vaccines are at or near the top of the list. The first one was the small pox vaccine.
 
There were always anti-vaccination factions, and though they have had some major victories over the many decades - endemic TB, cholera, AIDS, and Covid still kill thousands each year despite widely available treatments, almost entirely due to their efforts - they have also lost nearly as many battles as they have won. Smallpox was eliminated entirely, a miracle that would have seemed unthinkable even decades before it happened. The communicability and lethality of common influenzas has been reduced to a tiny fraction of what it was less than two centuries ago when influenzas took entire towns. Hansen's disease and the bubonic plague have been eliminated in all but a tiny handful of world regions where ingrained habits could not be unseated. Let us hope that the better angels of our nature continue to gain ground instead of losing it. Thank God the US is not the only involved party! Indeed, our departure from the WHO may have a silver lining in the long run, as our influence on its policy was unlikely to be beneficial in the current political climate. They will have less funding, but also far fewer restrictions on their work and censorship of their publications.

For best epidemiologists, I nominate John Snow (the OG, largely invented the field and first applied it to a real case), Paul Farmer (fought AIDS, founded PiH and reinvented medical ethnographic methods), and Katelyn Jetelina (public health advocate before during and after COVID, one of few with a popular following across party lines).
 
Since you like Marilyn Monroe, do you like the movie "Some Like it Hot"? That's my favorite Monroe movie. "How to Marry a Millionaire" is another good comedy with Monroe. I think she was best in her comedic roles.

I have no opinion on Monroe's acting skill, or the quality of the movies she performed in. I don't like How to Marry a Millionaire. For better or worse, what I like is her extreme sexiness. In addition to her beautiful face and figure, she has a beguiling high-pitched voice and sex-kitten mannerisms. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes is my favorite Monroe film, but its story-line etc. are irrelevant. I like her singing and alluring performances. Her personality in the film is summed up by "Silly, I'm not marrying your son for his money; I'm marrying him for YOUR money."

The co-star of Gentlemen Prefer Blondes was Jane Russell. I once saw an interview of Miss Russell in which she was asked how it felt to work with such a great sex symbol. If Jane Russell took offense she didn't show it. For heaven's sake! Jane Russell was herself one of the very very top sex symbols of the 1940's, and one of the top WWII "pin-up girls." Her 38-24-36 hourglass figure was spectacular. (Do any other actresses approach those hourglass numbers?) Yet despite all this, Jane Russell's role in their joint film turned into almost an irrelevant afterthought -- this relationship is a good indication of the supremacy of Marilyn Monroe's sexiness.
 
On the subject of "greatest developments in medicine" I once read that the eventual realization that clean water led to better health than dirty water saved more lives than any vaccine or drug!
 

Interesting that so many people like Picasso so much. I'm not one of them.

I think to better appreciate Picasso, he needs to be situated in a historical context.

The invention of photography in the 19th century, and its gradual improvement, along with the coming of motion pictures, greatly obviated the need to paint realistically, especially realistic portraits to flatter the wealthy and the vain, which is how many great artists made their living over the centuries.

After the arrival of photography, we got the Impressionists and Van Gogh, who were breaking new ground in depicting people, places and things not so much realistically and descriptively, but interpretively. The impressionists broke up light into little dots of unmixed color with the goal not just of painting a scene, but painting light itself.

Van Gogh, who began his career painting labored, realistic portraits of peasants and the poor, encountered the impressionists in 1886 in Paris, absorbed their techniques, and then went far beyond them. He used color as no one ever had before, expressively, like sticks of dynamite. He is associated with the school that came to be called post-impressionism and influenced many 20th-century artists, especially the Fauves and also Matisse and Picasso.

Also painting at the time was Cezanne, who told Van Gogh on his sole meeting with Vincent that he “painted like a madman.”

Cezanne was taking a different avenue, exploring not breaking up color or using color expressively, but breaking up and examining form and the implications of seeing not just from a single perspective adhering to three-point perspective, but from many different perspectives at once. His late paintings, especially of a certain mountain, were perhaps the first examples of non-representational or abstract art, which would dominate the 20th century.

Picasso and his confederate Braques were mainly influenced by Cezanne and took his work to a whole new level. This was the birth of Cubism. Picasso would be unthinkable without the others who paved his way. Like they say of scientists, he stood on the shoulder of giants, not just Cezanne but also Van Gogh, Gauguin and a number of others, though he was never known as a color innovator like Vincent. But his early Blue Period paintings were heavily influenced by Gauguin.

There are those who still say stuff like “Picasso couldn’t draw,” or “my child could do what he did,” but this is quite false. By the time he was a teenager, Picasso, as one observer said, “could draw like an angel.” His teenage oil paintings are as good, and as realistic, perhaps as anything ever put on canvas.

The greatness of Picasso for me lies in his protean nature. Most artists, even the great ones, are identified with a signature style. Picasso transcended all that. All his life he was using and then discarding styles like snake skins. After his experiments in analytic Cubism, he pivoted to painting in an exaggerated classical style, with massive, stylized and simplified forms, mostly of women. But then he turned to synthetic Cubism and later other inventions, including in sculpture, although curiously he never went the full-blown abstract route that was the dominant theme of the 20th century.

Picasso’s masterwork, Guernica, is a combination of analytic and synthetic Cubism, and is perhaps the most powerful anti-war visual statement ever made, IMO. I also believe it inspired graffiti art that was to arrive decades later, and especially graffiti murals, with which New York is splendidly graced, including wonderful stuff right across the street from where I live. I drew my avatar to reinterpret the horse that was at the center of Guernica as an orange-eyed, demonic poodle — The Pood.
 
I quit liked "The Bucket List". :D I think Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman did amazing in that film.

On the female side of singers - Karen Carpenter was pretty good. A lot of their early stuff was done when she was still a teenager.
Yeah, but if we are talking best ever, the likes of Kristen Chenoweth come into play.
 
It might be interesting to explain why I regard Vertigo as a BAD movie, while many experts make it #1 of all time ('often ranking at the top of "greatest film of all time" lists, particularly due to its complex psychological themes, stunning cinematography, and iconic "Vertigo effect" camera technique.') As I've mentioned, story, dialog and sentiment are most important to me. And I don't get the "complex psychological themes." :confused2:

I have some other favorites that others will decry. For example, "Which singer's covers of Bob Dylan songs do you enjoy the most?" My unpopular answer is Bob Dylan.

Rolling Stone has a list ranking the 200 best singers of all time. I'll post part of their list if there's interest. But I'm happy to see they agree with me about Dylan, putting him way up in the #15 slot:
To some listeners, Bob Dylan’s voice, especially the wheezy and/or aggressively twangy strains he favored in his early years, will always sound like a caricature of itself. But the confidence with which he owned his ugly-duckling delivery, and shaped it into something as expressive as his wildly inventive lyrics, has made him one of America’s great vocal eccentrics. Once he was fully in control of his instrument, he could use it to express everything from wry disdain (“Like a Rolling Stone”) to deep devotion (“If Not for You”), wrenching pathos (the Basement Tapes masterpiece “Goin’ to Acapulco”) and sardonic venom (“Idiot Wind”). ...
 
One thing impressive about Picasso is the wide variety of his drawing techniques.

[anecdote] When I worked at the Milosevic Computer Science Lab, we had an elderly mentor. He used a certain Picasso drawing as an example of "image compression." 8-)

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As a prelude to my claim that Archimedes is a candidate for the Three Greatest Scientists List, I solicit all Infidels for assistance:
Please state the method by which Archimedes of Syracuse proved that the king had been cheated on his new gold crown.


The usual answer is that he measured the water displaced when the crown was immersed in water; this directly yields the crown's density. The problem is that actually measuring the water displacement accurately requires much care, and the density difference between pure gold and slightly adulterated gold is small. (Archimedes never wrote up his actual solution method.)

Instead, using just Archimedes' own Buoyancy Principle, there is a method which is quick, trivial and accurate. It is almost astounding that this better method was overlooked for 1850 years until Galileo, and is still almost overlooked today.

The principle is that the weight of displaced fluid is subtracted from an object's weight.

Using an ordinary balance scale, place just enough gold on one side to weigh equally as much as the crown on the other side of the balance. Now immerse the scale, crown and pure gold in the bathtub. If the crown is pure gold, the scale will continue to balance. But otheriwse the scale will tip toward the side with greater density.
 
One thing impressive about Picasso is the wide variety of his drawing techniques.

[anecdote] When I worked at the Milosevic Computer Science Lab, we had an elderly mentor. He used a certain Picasso drawing as an example of "image compression." 8-)

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You make me wonder … my mom had 2-3 original Picasso work sketches from his bullfighter series. Just little doodles … I wonder which of my sibs has them now. Bet they’re worth a pretty penny.
 
Disagree. Little Mikey was an exceptional showman especially for his age, but not an epic singer.
He was eventually more noted as a dancer than as a singer, I think. He started in show business at age 5 (!??!!). YouTube has videos of him at age 10, though dancing only about as well as his brothers.

But here he is at age 16 dancing with Cher. Skip to 2:20 to see a dancing duet.
 
We've made little progress on our Greatest Movies of All-Time List. I've nominated Godfather for the #2 slot, but am happy to listen to alternatives. Politesse nominated Vertigo for the #4 slot, but without specifying #1, #2 or #3. :confused:

(This reminds me of my close relative who, upon hearing Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" for the first time quickly declared it to be "the 7th-best rock song of all time!" but with no particular opinion on the top six!)

One thing I hope we can ALL agree on is the most under-rated movie of all-time. Spy Game (7.1 at IMDB) and The Interpreter (6.4 at IMDB) are my nominations for the third- and second-most under-rated: The Interpreter definitely deserves at least a 7.9.

But the MOST under-rated movie, with a ridiculously low IMDB rating of only 8.5, is assuredly Casablanca. If Shawshank Redemption deserves a 9.3 IMDB rating, Casablanca cannot possibly deserve less than a 14-point score. (OK, maybe I have a tendency to exaggerate. I'd settle for 13, as long as it's at least 3½ points ahead of whatever is in 2nd-place.)

The superlative supremacy of Casablanca is something of an enigma, especially since its production was rushed; and many youngsters don't even like it. There are several long YouTubes by cinematography experts that explain clever features of the directing, camera-work, script, etc. that I wasn't aware of, but that made the film great.

One reason, I think, that oldsters appreciate the movie more than youngsters is that the drama of World War II is visceral for us -- it was more a part of our lives. (I was born after the war, but my father had enlisted in the war-time Navy and I've been immersed in books and films about WWII all my life.) For a youngster today, even the Vietnam War is as far in the past as World War One is for us old-timers.

Recently I watched yet another YouTube offering insights into the Great Film. Censorship was EXTREME: Even vague hints that unmarried people might have sex were removed! For example, Sam's line "Boss, ain't you going to bed?" was changed to "Boss, ain't you going home?" Many scenes, e.g. a bedroom scene in Paris, were removed entirely. Perhaps this improved the movie: The huge love between the two top characters was shown with just facial expressions.

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Anyway, what are the #2, #3, #4, #5 movies? (If anyone challenges the #1 slot I can only shake my head in disbelief.)
 
Other than Life is Beautiful, I have a hard time justifying the number of a movie. Lawrence of Arabia is the most visually stunning film ever made, but its treatment of history is almost as bad as Braveheart.

I know the films I like to watch the most. But that isn't pla good measure for how great a film is. I think The Avengers is extremely under rated as it managed to sow together a bunch of individual franchises into one in a manner that had not been done yet. Now it is almost commonplace.

Regardless, I think films belong in categories of top percentiles. Judging how great a film is on a list is about as hard as how bad a film is. Comparing Metropolis to Interstellar is impossible.
 
Queen of the Desert (2015) starring Nicole Kidman is about a British woman (Gertrude Bell) who assisted the Arabs in their Revolt during World War One. She was mentor and superior to T.E. Lawrence! (Is that accurate?)

Anyway, I really liked the first or so of Lawrence of Arabia but was very disappointed by the last , disappointed enough so that it wouldn't quite make my Top 20 List. I'd make the exact same comment about Apocalypse Now. Life is Beautiful, OTOH, IS a candidate for my Top 20 List.
 
My three favorite films, in no order. Mind you I say favorite, not "best":

The Wizard of Oz
The Good the Bad and the Ugly
The Exorcist

I think what we enjoy and favor when it comes to art is so subjective that it renders these lists utterly meaningless. Have you ever looked at a Rolling Stone list of best guitarist, or best vocalist? They could have written all the artists on slips of paper and let a monkey pick them - the result would be just as meaningful.

Edited to add: that isn't to say I don't like lists and this kind of thing...

Three favorite poets who wrote in English:

William Shakespeare
John Milton
Geoffrey Chaucer

...though John Keats get the prize for writing the greatest poetry penned by someone of his age. At 23 he was already writing poetry that rivaled the greatest English poets. No-one before or since achieved what he did...
 
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My three favorite films, in no order. Mind you I say favorite, not "best":

The Wizard of Oz
The Good the Bad and the Ugly
The Exorcist

I think what we enjoy and favor when it comes to art is so subjective that it renders these lists utterly meaningless. Have you ever looked at a Rolling Stone list of best guitarist, or best vocalist? They could have written all the artists on slips of paper and let a monkey pick them - the result would be just as meaningful.

Edited to add: that isn't to say I don't like lists and this kind of thing...

Three favorite poets who wrote in English:

William Shakespeare
John Milton
Geoffrey Chaucer

...though John Keats get the prize for writing the greatest poetry penned by someone of his age. At 23 he was already writing poetry that rivaled the greatest English poets. No-one before or since achieved what he did...
Hi WAB. I agree with you about lists. As for poets, can you really call Chaucer an English poet? :) Well, sorta. I also agree with you about Keats. After all, when Keats was my age, he'd been dead for fifty years (apologies to Tom Lehrer).

Reading the lists so far, I find it astounding that the greatest vocalists in the entirety of human history have all lived in the past two or three decades. Limiting my choice to twentieth century female vocalists, I would nominate Dame Joan Sutherland as up there at or near the top.

As for the Western musical tradition, I would mention J S Bach, who did more than anyone else to popularize and normalize the "well-tempered" twelve tone scale that has been the basis of Western music ever since.
 
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