DrZoidberg
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What do you mean "full immunity"? Sterilizing immunity? Sometimes not even vaccines give you that, even if they are effective, for example with polio.
Yes, I mean sterilizing immunity. Most likely having had Covid-19 will give you a partial immunity to disease. So somebody who has had it once will become sick, will spread it, but will suffer a much milder form of the disease themselves. Which is awful news for anybody in a high risk category. Knowing human behaviour, these people will probably go about their business as usual making a bad problem worse.
At the same time, there is evidence that previous infections with other coronaviruses provide some limited protection.
How would that be studied? Every living human being today, over one year of age, has had previous infections with other Coronaviruses. What's the control group?
Even if humoral immunity (circulating antibodies) wanes after a year, or even after several months, there is cellular immunity through memory T and B cells. Memory B cells can proliferate upon a new exposure to the virus and produce a new batch of antibodies. That response is not as quick as with already circulating antibodies, but much quicker than with an exposure of an individual who hasn't been exposed previously.But for the other Corona viruses it only gives short term immunity. Maximum a year. Soon the first infected will be able to get infected again. And around and around it goes.
Yes, that is what partial immunity means.
Since we are talking about Florida, look at their graph.Sure, it'll slow the spread. But only a little bit. Without a vaccine herd immunity is not going to happen.
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New cases dropped precipitously through August. Why? No new distancing measures have been implemented that I am aware of. The weather did not significantly change. I think the new cases dropped because of the partial herd immunity.
Thanks to idiot meddling in testing procedures by Trump (or rather his CDC appointee) the American numbers mean nothing any longer.
But the case numbers going up or down... we don't actually know. The other Coronaviruses are seasonal. Meaning that they die out in summer, and come back in winter. Even on the equator. We have no idea why this happens. It baffles science still. It's going to take years before we understand the ins and outs of Covid-19 spread.
Sure, a vaccine would be better, but a vaccine cannot confer more immunity than a real infection. It both cases it's about immune response and the immune system "remembering" it. The advantage of the vaccine is priming the immune system without triggering disease (which in this case can have nasty consequences including cardiac effects). So I'd much rather not get infected of course. At the same time, these overly pessimistic (or optimistic, as some posters sound positively gleeful when talking about red states getting it bad) scenarios are baseless I think.
Based on what I've heard/read, when the vaccine arrives, everybody will need to get boosted once ever two months. And this will be ongoing for more than a year. Since the idiotic anti-vaxxers will keep Covid-19 in circulation it might take many years of us having to do this. Chances are that the situation now is a permament situation, even with a vaccine.