DrZoidberg
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What? You are comparing not dying with dying. If people who otherwise wouldn't die are dying then, no, we are not replacing one cause of death with another.
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What? You are comparing not dying with dying. If people who otherwise wouldn't die are dying then, no, we are not replacing one cause of death with another.
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Exactly.
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*sigh*. Why do I need to write longhand?
Aren’t the excess deaths from Covid-19 among the youth high because young people usually aren’t dying at all?
If Covid were mostly killing people who were going to die anyway we would see the excess death count way below the Covid death count. We wouldn't be seeing the excess death count above the Covid count.
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Yes, they are. Which I believe is what Dr Z meant by "exactly".
People aged 25-55 in the developed world are very unlikely to die.
The mortality from COVID-19 in this cohort is low, compared to mortality from COVID-19 in older cohorts; But despite that, it is high enough to be the leading cause of death.
If you are aged 25-55 and are in any way concerned about your imminent death from any cause at all, you should be most concerned about COVID-19, because that's by far the most likely way for you to die. It's the largest threat to your life, in a world where you shouldn't be expecting to have any serious threats to your life.
15-25 year olds die from automobiles. Under 15s die from paediatric and/or genetic disorders. Over 55s die from heart disease or cancer. But 25-55 year olds don't (on the whole) die. Until now.
DrZoidberg
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Again.. yes, that is exactly what is happening.
DrZoidberg
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When I'm in public and I'm in sweatpants people (ie middle-aged women) sometimes yell at me to keep distance. When I wear a suit they have no problems with me being super close.
People are very irrational about this. They seem more ruled by ickyness than what makes sense.
My super intelligent engineering girlfriend is super worried about who we let in through the door. But who she's ok with has nothing to do with how many people they interact with, but rather how much she feels safe around them. Her anxiety about this is as irrational as she is smart.
I find people's behaviour about this interesting.
People are very irrational about this. They seem more ruled by ickyness than what makes sense.
My super intelligent engineering girlfriend is super worried about who we let in through the door. But who she's ok with has nothing to do with how many people they interact with, but rather how much she feels safe around them. Her anxiety about this is as irrational as she is smart.
I find people's behaviour about this interesting.
TSwizzle
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My wife has managed to blag her way to getting a vaccination on Wednesday. Someone she knows has got her and a few others an appointment. They have obviously skipped the line somehow. She does work in a private school and I don't think she falls in with any of the priority tiers. Los Angeles vaccination roll out is a bit of a shambles due to a combination of things, basic local incompetence coupled with logistics being screwed up due to the weather elsewhere apparently.
The only things I look at are whether someone has an appropriate mask used correctly and if they are taking care to keep their distance. No one comes into our house other than my immediate family who live here.
TSwizzle
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LOL, who wears a suit these days ?!
Indeed, it has turned a lot of people into nasty pieces of work.
DrZoidberg
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I'm wearing a suit, right now!
It's just me and my boss in the head office. We're completely alone here.
We're here because he's moving on to new adventures and I'm going to take over his job.
It just feels weird to be in the office without a suit. I have no rational explanation. If I'm to psychoanalyse myself, it so he should feel better about handing over the keys to the castle to me. Wearing a suit is a way to show that I take the job very seriously.
As it has you IMHO. I've read what you've written in this thread.
The fact that people are overly anxious and irrational about this virus doesn't make it harmless or just a flu. I think you aren't anxious enough IMHO. Either position on this is wrong. Being overly anxious is better than being overly relaxed. Less people die.
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"It's just a bad flu."
SimpleDon
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I too experienced the same in Germany. When I was a lowly engineer and project manager I dressed rather casually in the US, Canada, the PRC, and Germany, in slacks and no tie. When I was promoted to the executive board in Germany I dusted off my suits and ties, which were hopelessly out of style, and started to wear them. Nothing was said to me that I had to wear them, I just felt that I should. One of the secretaries helped me buy more in the fashion suits and other clothing, just as she had helped me navigate finding a flat, leasing a car, the paperwork for my residency visa, etc.
I had the disease and I can tell you that it is not as harmless as the flu. Granted, I am the poster boy for pre-existing conditions. I was near death for a week and my lungs hurt like nothing I had ever felt when I had the flu and pneumonia in the past. I had the disease almost exactly one year ago and I only recovered my sense of smell in November, and I just now am feeling fit, recovered from the disease. Because I have ALS, Lou Gehrig's disease, (or more appropriate for non-Americans, Stephen Hawking's disease or motor neuron disease, MND) I employ a couple of home health care nurses who monitor my health pretty closely, they nursed me through the disease and they agree with me about the long recovery. Because I had such a hard time with the disease my daughter is completely paranoid about it.
It's beyond bizarre that the disease became a political issue in the US. Like climate change, the pandemic was a problem that could only be tackled by a strong and competent central government, which contravenes current conservative dogma, which dictates a small, largely ineffective federal government and competence is something conservatives can't apparently provide when they are running the government. So like they do with the problems resulting from climate change, conservatives chose to ignore, as much possible, the pandemic and the federal government's role in solving the problems created by the pandemic, beyond the problems of the large corporations, of course.
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Could you define "Covid death", for the purposes of this graph? Does it include everyone who tested positive before dying? What about people on the verge of death, from other causes, but went over the edge after testing positive. With no particular reason to think that C19 was the primary cause of death?
What does Covid death mean in this particular instance?
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So, on the suit thing... The higher on the ladder I climb, the more I realize that being a manager comes down to perception. To be a manager, people first and foremost have to believe that's who you are, to them. That starts with a presentation of discipline, and a presentation of discipline itself starts with your clothes and grooming.
It says "I put work into this". It says "I can whip myself to look like this every day, don't think I can't figure out to do the same to you, with your workload".
To that end, an office without a suitably attired person in it IS wrong. It fails to deliver the whole message of the dynamic.
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As opposed to the Flu... which typically kills people that are not well? The metric of comparison here is completely legitimate.
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TSwizzle
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Not really, I always was a nasty piece of work.
I have never once said that it is harmless. It is fucking deadly to the old and infirm which is where as much as 40%-50% of the fatalities occur. And then it starts to pick off the health compromised, the obese, the diabetics etc. And of course there are the anomalies that people get all worked up about. I know a guy (well, I met him a few times) the same age as me, possibly a few years younger who died and I don't know of any underlying health conditions that would have contributed to that but I suspect there may have been something.
The reason I am not anxious is that I understand the risk involved to me and I ignore the fearmongering bullshit that the media pumps out in their clickbait headlines. I'm pretty sure you do too which is why you are not as anxious as your friend but possibly more anxious than me.
Most flu deaths are people on the verge of death being pushed over. It's very unusual for flu to kill a reasonably healthy person. If you don't want to count Covid deaths of people on the edge then you need to ignore most flu deaths also.
Why does that surge around Christmas remind me of a Christmas tree?