Toni
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I grew up being told to keep my knees together so I don’t think you actually know what you’re talking about.
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The women's march shows it's true colors
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I grew up being told to keep my knees together so I don’t think you actually know what you’re talking about.
laughing dog
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Given your demonstrated penchant for confusing sarcasm with goading, there is every reason to believe your claims are baded on confusion, not fact.
Did you watch the footage of the 'womanspreading'? She did not look physically comfortable. Being told to keep your knees together does not mean women would splay 180 degrees without the proscription.
A high school girl on the tram today was seated and had her feet on the opposite-facing seat while people stood. It might be reasonable to conclude she was comfortable that way. It might be reasonable to conclude she didn't give a shit about inconvenciening others.
But it wouldn't be reasonable to conclude this was a territory-marking behaviour designed specifically to intimidate men and control public space.
So, you think most mothers want to increase the hours they spend at work after giving birth, the way that most new fathers spend more hours at work after the birth of their child?
In Australia, when men ask for flexible work, they are twice as likely to be turned down as women are.
Curiously (or perhaps not), the feminist who wrote an article that included this fact concluded that 'men suck at asking for flexible work'. Of course, when women are more likely to get a negative reaction when asking for a raise compared to men, it isn't women who suck at asking for a raise. It's the patriarchy keeping women down.
So is this a vengeance thing then?
ruby sparks
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You said that if public seating were better designed to suit men, there'd be less manspreading. This is in contrast to you not saying that if public toilet provision was better designed to suit women, there'd be less queuing. It's an obvious double standard.
Saying that the problem of women having to queue more for toilets is to do with nature and not society is dismissive, inconsistent (see above) and a false dichotomy in any case.
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ruby sparks
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It's like Dr Who. Sometimes it surprises you that women can do as good a job as a man in such situations.
How about you concentrate on what I do say and not what I haven't said. Or would mean you are less often wrong.
Public seating is more suited to women than men. This probably isn't a conspiracy of any kind, but more to do with women being smaller, space being limited, and a mental block on designers who seem to believe people haven't grown since the 1950s.
Men's toilets have exploited men's efficiency in urinating, which is why, when toilets are equally sized, men have to wait less often than women. This is an interplay of biology and design and ideology. The unspoken ideology being that equal allocated size is equal treatment. Something public seating is also subject to.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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It's like Dr Who. Sometimes it surprises you that women can do as good a job as a man in such situations.
It must have been terrible for him, though, after switching genders, having to wait in those long lines.
ruby sparks
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At least that's slightly more nuanced now, but it's still a double standard. This isn't difficult. To not be a double standard, in other words to be consistent, you'd either have to have said that the problem with seating being too small for men is down to (male) nature/biology and not society, or you could have said that both toilet provision and public seating are down to human design.
Although you'd have been wrong in any case because it would be a false dichotomy anyway. That's what 'A and not B' is, when it isn't in fact just an either/or.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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It is reasonable for a poster to discuss logical implications of what another poster says.
It's like Dr Who. Sometimes it surprises you that women can do as good a job as a man in such situations.
It must have been terrible for him, though, after switching genders, having to wait in those long lines.
Chris Chibnall's Doctor can't do anything as well as her male predecessors.
A man-- Chris Chibnall-- killed Doctor Who. She may yet be resurrected by a writer with talent. Since Chibnall will probably ragequit for being a talentless imposter after one more season, those of us without time travel tech may not need to wait that long.
They're both down to the interaction of society and biology.
I've been on road trips in remote country where the women and men have to pee in the bushes. Society did not dictate that women need to squat and hold to urinate. Nature imposed it.
ruby sparks
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Nature did not dictate either the size of public seats or public toilets.
That's fine, but is not at all what you initially said. On the one hand you 'observed' that a problem might be solved by being designed differently to suit men and on the other you said the problem for women was to do with nature not society. The cases are very similar, in that for both, 'more space' might help solve a certain problem. You applied a double standard.
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ruby sparks
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That's a pathetic response.
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Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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The best female character on the show was Leela. None of what happened after she announced she was leaving was real.
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No, I think that some of the responders don't actually know what they are talking about. I think it is an ignorance thing.
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