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That is true, though.
It is not. It's a politically correct claim that relies on a lot of special pleading to get the desired result.
How many non-Muslim white males have tried to bomb the NYC subway? But there have been several instances of Muslims, who are ~1% of the US population, trying to do that.
But bigotry against white men is seen as not just ok but laudable on the Left, and thus that narrative gets amplified.
 
Islamists certainly should not be welcomed in the West. Do you really have a problem with that?
Of course I do. "The West" is a dubious and complex entity that no one elected you to speak for. I - and all of my "liberal values" - are no less a part of the Western tradition than your orientalist bullshit, and I'm not inclined to give them up at the behest of terrorists, foreign or domestic.
 
Islamists certainly should not be welcomed in the West. Do you really have a problem with that?
Of course I do.
And herein lies the problem.
"The West" is a dubious and complex entity that no one elected you to speak for. I - and all of my "liberal values" - are no less a part of the Western tradition than your orientalist bullshit, and I'm not inclined to give them up at the behest of terrorists, foreign or domestic.
Except that by welcoming Islamists - whose values are antithetical to individual liberty - you betray any liberal values you may have. Of course, you seem to confuse actual liberalism with leftism. Leftists have been enamored with political Islam for a long time for some reason. There is even a name for that: "Islamo-leftism".
 
Leftism is also a part of the Western Tradition. You lack the most basic education as to Western history and society, but think you're qualified to be its gatekeeper? What a joke!
 
Islamists certainly should not be welcomed in the West. Do you really have a problem with that?
Of course I do. "The West" is a dubious and complex entity that no one elected you to speak for. I - and all of my "liberal values" - are no less a part of the Western tradition than your orientalist bullshit, and I'm not inclined to give them up at the behest of terrorists, foreign or domestic.

Luckily for you, you don't live in an islam dominated society. Your "liberal values" would be seriously curtailed.
 
Islamists certainly should not be welcomed in the West. Do you really have a problem with that?
Of course I do. "The West" is a dubious and complex entity that no one elected you to speak for. I - and all of my "liberal values" - are no less a part of the Western tradition than your orientalist bullshit, and I'm not inclined to give them up at the behest of terrorists, foreign or domestic.

Luckily for you, you don't live in an islam dominated society. Your "liberal values" would be seriously curtailed.
You and the Islamists desire the same thing, just in different flavors. I don't regard either of you as qualified to talk about what "the West" is or wants or should be.
 
Islamists certainly should not be welcomed in the West. Do you really have a problem with that?
Of course I do. "The West" is a dubious and complex entity that no one elected you to speak for. I - and all of my "liberal values" - are no less a part of the Western tradition than your orientalist bullshit, and I'm not inclined to give them up at the behest of terrorists, foreign or domestic.

Luckily for you, you don't live in an islam dominated society. Your "liberal values" would be seriously curtailed.
You and the Islamists desire the same thing, just in different flavors.

That makes no sense. Either I desire the same thing as islamists or I don't. Obviously I don't desire the same things as islamists so I have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't regard either of you as qualified to talk about what "the West" is or wants or should be.

And you are qualified? Where did you study for your qualification?
 
Islamists certainly should not be welcomed in the West. Do you really have a problem with that?
Of course I do.
And herein lies the problem.
"The West" is a dubious and complex entity that no one elected you to speak for. I - and all of my "liberal values" - are no less a part of the Western tradition than your orientalist bullshit, and I'm not inclined to give them up at the behest of terrorists, foreign or domestic.
Except that by welcoming Islamists - whose values are antithetical to individual liberty - you betray any liberal values you may have. Of course, you seem to confuse actual liberalism with leftism. Leftists have been enamored with political Islam for a long time for some reason. There is even a name for that: "Islamo-leftism".
Your response is pretty illiberal - keep people out with whom you disagree.
 
And you are qualified? Where did you study for your qualification?
I neither have nor need any such credentials, as I'm not the one pushing a flawed political agenda justified by supposed defense of "The West" against a stereotyped villainous portrayal of "The East". Not my dumb argument, not my responsibility to defend.

Of course, I am more qualified from a professional standpoint to comment on Western History than someone who has never studied the issue, having logged plenty of credit hours on the history and social anthropology of Europe and the Middle East, but I assume literal qualifications are not what you were after. Academic qualifications are actually disqualifications, I know, in the bizarro otherworld of far right wing rhetoric...
 
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That makes no sense. Either I desire the same thing as islamists or I don't. Obviously I don't desire the same things as islamists so I have no idea what you are talking about
You both embrace fascist, regressive, deeply conservative ideologies, and oppose liberal democratic values and all social and cultural advancements of the 21st century. The fact that you favor different religions to replace them is only of interest to someone who belongs to one of those religions, and even then only to the ignorant.
 
And you are qualified? Where did you study for your qualification?
I neither have nor need any such credentials, as I'm not the one pushing a flawed political agenda justified by supposed defense of "The West" against a stereotyped villainous portrayal of "The East". Not my dumb argument, not my responsibility to defend.
Specifically, what flawed political agenda am I pushing?


Of course, I am more qualified from a professional standpoint to comment on Western History than someone who has never studied the issue, having logged plenty of credit hours on the history and social anthropology of Europe and the Middle East, but I assume literal qualifications are not what you were after.
And this makes you an authority on such matters and everyone else should STFU? You’re taking some liberties.

Academic qualifications are actually disqualifications, I know, in the bizarro otherworld of far right wing rhetoric...
If you say so.
 
That makes no sense. Either I desire the same thing as islamists or I don't. Obviously I don't desire the same things as islamists so I have no idea what you are talking about
You both embrace fascist, regressive, deeply conservative ideologies,
Like what?

and oppose liberal democratic values and all social and cultural advancements of the 21st century.

Like what?

The fact that you favor different religions to replace them is only of interest to someone who belongs to one of those religions, and even then only to the ignorant.

Which religions do I favor?
 
Deny it. Islam will bring you more peace. Not just to the US, but also to Europe and India.
 
And this makes you an authority on such matters and everyone else should STFU? You’re taking some liberties.
You asked for my qualifications, and now you're angry and offended that I actually had some. Rather proves my point about the backassawkward perceprion of the Conservosphere, yeah? No, my degree isn't from Liberty University or Billy-Bob's Bible School, but we did study with real books and paper, believe it or not.

But I don't care in any case. I'm not asking to be regarded as an expert on The West, an analytical designation I find dubious at best anyways. I was merely pointing out that in trying to expel people from the entirety of the European colonial world in the name of "saving" The West from the supposedly dire threat of Islam, he was not just speaking against Muslims, but also speaking for The West, a conglomeration of diverse peoples who for the most part do not agree with him. Who's this loser to say that the West needs to be saved from anything, let alone our own traditional values of synthesis, syncretism, and personal liberty?
 
And this makes you an authority on such matters and everyone else should STFU? You’re taking some liberties.
You asked for my qualifications, and now you're angry and offended that I actually had some.
Don’t flatter yourself, I am neither angry nor offended.

Rather proves my point about the backassawkward perceprion of the Conservosphere, yeah?
If you say so.

No, my degree isn't from Liberty University or Billy-Bob's Bible School, but we did study with real books and paper, believe it or not.

One would hope so.


But I don't care in any case. I'm not asking to be regarded as an expert on The West, an analytical designation I find dubious at best anyways. I was merely pointing out that in trying to expel people from the entirety of the European colonial world in the name of "saving" The West from the supposedly dire threat of Islam, he was not just speaking against Muslims, but also speaking for The West, a conglomeration of diverse peoples who for the most part do not agree with him.
You have a vivid imagination. But if you don’t think islam is a threat to western civilization then you are not paying attention or willfully ignorant.

Who's this loser to say that the West needs to be saved from anything, let alone our own traditional values of synthesis, syncretism, and personal liberty?

Who are you to decide who gets to say anything?
 
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