Trump falls!! Hurt too

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The shooter didn't like Trump or Biden, but he was conservative. Most recent searches on his electronics show he was looking into the DNC convention and Trump's rally.

Even more, he wanted to be a famous assassin...probably because he sucked at shooting and everyone bullied him.

On Steam, he posted about it...

Investigators now believe account on gaming site in would-be assassin’s name is fake | CNN Politics

Investigators now believe that the Steam account in the name of the man who shot at former President Donald Trump over the weekend is fake, a US official briefed on the matter told CNN.

amp.cnn.com

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If someone is deliberately shot at, it will be either a hit or a miss. The chance of a minor graze is phenomenally lucky if this was a genuine shot.

Statistics from wars suggest that this is nonsense. For every fatality, there are typically ten injuries requiring hospitalisation, and fifty minor injuries so trivial that the recipients barely even notice them at the time.

Guns are not magic, and don't work in reality the way they work in Hollywood.

The chance of a minor injury, either from the bullet, or from spalling off nearby objects hit by a round that missed its target, is far higher than you imagine.

The thing is it supposedly passed right past his head. The head is a lot wider than the tip of his ear. The area in which it could inflict a very minor wound is very small.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If someone is deliberately shot at, it will be either a hit or a miss. The chance of a minor graze is phenomenally lucky if this was a genuine shot.

Statistics from wars suggest that this is nonsense. For every fatality, there are typically ten injuries requiring hospitalisation, and fifty minor injuries so trivial that the recipients barely even notice them at the time.

Guns are not magic, and don't work in reality the way they work in Hollywood.

The chance of a minor injury, either from the bullet, or from spalling off nearby objects hit by a round that missed its target, is far higher than you imagine.

The thing is it supposedly passed right past his head. The head is a lot wider than the tip of his ear. The area in which it could inflict a very minor wound is very small.

And if the shooter was aiming for it to be barely that wide, you'd have a point. As far as clearly hitting the target, the shooter was 0 for 4. So barely grazing on one of them seems in the ball park.

 

[thebeave]

Does this make sense to anyone? I've been on a shit ton of roofs, (both high and low slope) and the roof the sniper was on was on the low slope side, for sure. The sniper was able to get on it easily enough and set up a rifle, but it was "too scary" for the SS?

Secret Service boss blames ‘sloped roof’ for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin

Embattled Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle says she has no plans to resign, even after the stunning revelation that the agency decided not to guard the roof from which Thomas Crooks opened fire on former President Donald Trump because it was too slanted.

“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News in a startling admission.

“And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside,” she told the outlet.

I get that people will try to make up excuses to cover up their mishandling of a situation. Usually, though, they're smart enough to try something that has at least a little plausibility to it. This is a major...WTF?

 

[lpetrich]

CALL TO ACTIVISM on X: "Marjorie Taylor Greene describes how, right before the shooting, she witnessed an angel coming down from heaven that looked like an American flag that saved Donald Trump's life.
HOLY HELL!
(vid link)" / X

•  Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler
• 6 Assassination Attempts on Adolf Hitler | HISTORY

REVIEW OF 1984 By Isaac Asimov I - "There were plots against him, to be sure, but they never worked, sometimes through quirks of fate that seemed explainable only by supposing that someone down there liked him."

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Does this make sense to anyone? I've been on a shit ton of roofs, (both high and low slope) and the roof the sniper was on was on the low slope side, for sure. The sniper was able to get on it easily enough and set up a rifle, but it was "too scary" for the SS?

Secret Service boss blames ‘sloped roof’ for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin

My thought was "metal roof" in near 90 degree weather would have been more of an issue than it being sloped. It was a relatively gentle slope. There are a lot of shortcomings here, which again, I think is the results of Secret Service not needing to shield a President or former President from bullets in two generations.

I think they'll be looking at security details at other sites in the run up to this and similar security shortfalls will be noted, but it wasn't an issue because there wasn't a sniper.

 

[lpetrich]

Sandi Bachom on X: "Nobody’s talking about ..." / X

Nobody’s talking about the reason Trump is doing his rallies in these outside locations. I was at the Schnecksville Pennsylvania rally. It was a very similar situation as Butler. He doesn’t do indoor venues anymore because they cost money and these venues are free. He doesn’t even have Jumbotrons. His last four rallies were at a fire house, a farm, a beach and a park in the Bronx all free He owes millions to the indoor venues. He never paid including Minneapolis target center 2019 he owes $500,000.

Donald Trump indeed has a history of stiffing owners of indoor arenas, which is why they have become unwilling to let him hold events in them. It must be noted that is all in character for him, since he has a long history of stiffing building contractors and lawyers. They responded by demanding payment up front, and are arena owners now also doing so?
eResist on X: "@sandibachom Yep. Here’s a handy map. (pic link)" / X

Where the Trump campaign has outstanding bills
Center for Public Integrity, news reports

• Spokane, Wash. $65,000 May 2016
• Burlington, Vt. $8,000 Jan. 2016
• Minneapolis $530,000 Oct. 2019
• Green Bay, Wis. $9,000 Aug. 2016
• Billings, Mont. $43,000 Sept. 2018
• Eau Claire, Wis. $47,000 April 2016
• Erie, Pa. $35,000 Oct. 2018
• Lebanon, Ohio $16,000 Oct. 2018
• Mesa. Ariz. $64,000 Oct. 2018
• Albuquerque $211,000 Oct. 2019
• Tucson, Ariz. $82,000 March 2016
• EI Paso $569,000 Feb. 2019

 

[Copernicus]

The shooter didn't like Trump or Biden, but he was conservative. Most recent searches on his electronics show he was looking into the DNC convention and Trump's rally.

Even more, he wanted to be a famous assassin...probably because he sucked at shooting and everyone bullied him.

On Steam, he posted about it...

Investigators now believe account on gaming site in would-be assassin’s name is fake | CNN Politics

Investigators now believe that the Steam account in the name of the man who shot at former President Donald Trump over the weekend is fake, a US official briefed on the matter told CNN.

amp.cnn.com

The article you cited was based on other unnamed sources and lacked details. I looked at a number of others giving similar vague information about the alleged Steam post. Apparently, it came from a briefing by SS director Cheatle, and she did not say when he posted that reference to July 13. Vague references to pictures on his phone suggested that he may have been looking at a range of targets, but that was apparently just based on the pictures they found and search references. Obviously, the investigation is still going on, so her disclosures were never going to satisfy anyone. She should have kept mum about these vague details until a full public disclosure could be made. It is probably too early to conclude that Crooks was just looking to be a famous assassin, but that is a reasonable guess. He does not seem to have been active in posting his views on other social media sites other than a gaming site. So we can conclude that he played a lot of video games, which is pretty normal for a young man. He also seems to have searched for information on depression medication.

 

[TSwizzle]

Does this make sense to anyone? I've been on a shit ton of roofs, (both high and low slope) and the roof the sniper was on was on the low slope side, for sure. The sniper was able to get on it easily enough and set up a rifle, but it was "too scary" for the SS?

Secret Service boss blames ‘sloped roof’ for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin

Embattled Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle says she has no plans to resign, even after the stunning revelation that the agency decided not to guard the roof from which Thomas Crooks opened fire on former President Donald Trump because it was too slanted.

“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News in a startling admission.

“And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside,” she told the outlet.

I get that people will try to make up excuses to cover up their mishandling of a situation. Usually, though, they're smart enough to try something that has at least a little plausibility to it. This is a major...WTF?

Unbelievable she won't resign. Well, not really I suppose.

 

[ZiprHead]

Sandi Bachom on X: "Nobody’s talking about ..." / X

Nobody’s talking about the reason Trump is doing his rallies in these outside locations. I was at the Schnecksville Pennsylvania rally. It was a very similar situation as Butler. He doesn’t do indoor venues anymore because they cost money and these venues are free. He doesn’t even have Jumbotrons. His last four rallies were at a fire house, a farm, a beach and a park in the Bronx all free He owes millions to the indoor venues. He never paid including Minneapolis target center 2019 he owes $500,000.

Donald Trump indeed has a history of stiffing owners of indoor arenas, which is why they have become unwilling to let him hold events in them. It must be noted that is all in character for him, since he has a long history of stiffing building contractors and lawyers. They responded by demanding payment up front, and are arena owners now also doing so?
eResist on X: "@sandibachom Yep. Here’s a handy map. (pic link)" / X

Where the Trump campaign has outstanding bills
Center for Public Integrity, news reports

• Spokane, Wash. $65,000 May 2016
• Burlington, Vt. $8,000 Jan. 2016
• Minneapolis $530,000 Oct. 2019
• Green Bay, Wis. $9,000 Aug. 2016
• Billings, Mont. $43,000 Sept. 2018
• Eau Claire, Wis. $47,000 April 2016
• Erie, Pa. $35,000 Oct. 2018
• Lebanon, Ohio $16,000 Oct. 2018
• Mesa. Ariz. $64,000 Oct. 2018
• Albuquerque $211,000 Oct. 2019
• Tucson, Ariz. $82,000 March 2016
• EI Paso $569,000 Feb. 2019

Trump's next rally is going to be in Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids, MI.

 

[ZiprHead]

Does this make sense to anyone? I've been on a shit ton of roofs, (both high and low slope) and the roof the sniper was on was on the low slope side, for sure. The sniper was able to get on it easily enough and set up a rifle, but it was "too scary" for the SS?

Secret Service boss blames ‘sloped roof’ for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin

Embattled Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle says she has no plans to resign, even after the stunning revelation that the agency decided not to guard the roof from which Thomas Crooks opened fire on former President Donald Trump because it was too slanted.

“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News in a startling admission.

“And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside,” she told the outlet.

I get that people will try to make up excuses to cover up their mishandling of a situation. Usually, though, they're smart enough to try something that has at least a little plausibility to it. This is a major...WTF?

Unbelievable she won't resign. Well, not really I suppose.

The local police had responsibility for that building. A local cop followed the shooter up the ladder and retreated when the shooter pointed his weapon at him.

WaPo had a 3D diagram of the site. The SS sharpshooters were stationed on the buildings to Trump's left. The view of the building the shooter was on was obstructed by trees between the SS to the left of Trump and the shooter.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Unbelievable she won't resign. Well, not really I suppose.

The local police had responsibility for that building. A local cop followed the shooter up the ladder and retreated when the shooter pointed his weapon at him.

WaPo had a 3D diagram of the site. The SS sharpshooters were stationed on the buildings to Trump's left. The view of the building the shooter was on was obstructed by trees between the SS to the left of Trump and the shooter.

In general, this isn't an uncommon for a head to resign, though I think a full accounting is needed first. A great deal of finger pointing at the moment.

 

[ZiprHead]

A gifted NYT article with details of the security procedures.

A Blind Spot and a Lost Trail: How the Gunman Got So Close to Trump

Even though local police were on the lookout for a suspicious man, critical minutes ticked by, allowing a would-be assassin to slip past, a Times analysis found.

www.nytimes.com

 

[bilby]

The accusation of incitement only seems to go one way - towards Trump.

That could mean that he is being treated unfairly.

But it also could mean that he is by FAR the largest offender in this regard, and that it would be absurd to accuse others, while Trump is right there, exemplifying the very concept of incitement.

A brief review of the two candidates speeches, and of their supporters responses to those speeches, shows that it is unequivocally and undeniably the latter.

When accusations all point at one person, it may be because that person is by FAR the worst offender, rather than because everyone is being a bunch of big meanies.

 

[bilby]

If someone is deliberately shot at, it will be either a hit or a miss. The chance of a minor graze is phenomenally lucky if this was a genuine shot.

Statistics from wars suggest that this is nonsense. For every fatality, there are typically ten injuries requiring hospitalisation, and fifty minor injuries so trivial that the recipients barely even notice them at the time.

Guns are not magic, and don't work in reality the way they work in Hollywood.

The chance of a minor injury, either from the bullet, or from spalling off nearby objects hit by a round that missed its target, is far higher than you imagine.

The thing is it supposedly passed right past his head. The head is a lot wider than the tip of his ear. The area in which it could inflict a very minor wound is very small.

The thing is that the bullet isn't the only thing that is flying around.

FFS, don't bother replying until you have read and thought about the post, with specific consideration to whether your kneejerk objection has already been addressed. You are wasting your time and mine.

 

[Bomb#20]

Secret Service boss blames ‘sloped roof’ for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin

Embattled Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle says she has no plans to resign, even after the stunning revelation that the agency decided not to guard the roof from which Thomas Crooks opened fire on former President Donald Trump because it was too slanted.

“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News in a startling admission.

“And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside,” she told the outlet.

I get that people will try to make up excuses to cover up their mishandling of a situation. Usually, though, they're smart enough to try something that has at least a little plausibility to it. This is a major...WTF?

Unbelievable she won't resign. Well, not really I suppose.

That all makes sense if she and her superiors know it wasn't her fault and know whose fault it was in DHS, who told her she could keep her job if she played ball. If the real reason the building wasn't secured is because the protection detail was short-handed because DHS had made a political decision to skimp on Trump protection, then everyone who knows that will privately be under intense pressure to not say that. "Sloping roof" is the sort of thing someone would say who was told to think up an excuse that wouldn't be pinned on her bosses.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Or 3. He was rushed, having seen that he was being surveilled and guys were coming up on the roof...
#1 would have required a death wish. Intent would be difficult to discern, but given the history, the result he got may well have been it.

I do think he must have had a death wish, you can't hope to shoot at the president from the open and survive.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think it is much more likely that a loner who was rejected by even gun peers wanted to make a point. He got to a position to do as such because security was not as effective because of a ton of false negatives on security and candidate/President security.

Public shootings are usually a form of suicide. A nobody who chooses to die in infamy rather than continue to be a nobody. I see no reason to think this is any different.

 

[blastula]

The shooter didn't like Trump or Biden, but he was conservative. Most recent searches on his electronics show he was looking into the DNC convention and Trump's rally.

Even more, he wanted to be a famous assassin...probably because he sucked at shooting and everyone bullied him.

On Steam, he posted about it...

Investigators now believe account on gaming site in would-be assassin’s name is fake | CNN Politics

Investigators now believe that the Steam account in the name of the man who shot at former President Donald Trump over the weekend is fake, a US official briefed on the matter told CNN.

amp.cnn.com

Seems like he targeted Trump just out of convenience, that he was having a nearby rally.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think it is much more likely that a loner who was rejected by even gun peers wanted to make a point. He got to a position to do as such because security was not as effective because of a ton of false negatives on security and candidate/President security.

Public shootings are usually a form of suicide. A nobody who chooses to die in infamy rather than continue to be a nobody. I see no reason to think this is any different.

Then why are you posting as such?