Trump falls!! Hurt too

[thebeave]

Does this make sense to anyone? I've been on a shit ton of roofs, (both high and low slope) and the roof the sniper was on was on the low slope side, for sure. The sniper was able to get on it easily enough and set up a rifle, but it was "too scary" for the SS?

Secret Service boss blames ‘sloped roof’ for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin

My thought was "metal roof" in near 90 degree weather would have been more of an issue than it being sloped. It was a relatively gentle slope. There are a lot of shortcomings here, which again, I think is the results of Secret Service not needing to shield a President or former President from bullets in two generations.

I think they'll be looking at security details at other sites in the run up to this and similar security shortfalls will be noted, but it wasn't an issue because there wasn't a sniper.

A hot roof would indeed be uncomfortable, but somehow roofers manage to do their jobs in the hot summer sun every day. Why couldn't the SS bring insulating pads or protective gear to avoid getting a burn?

Come to think of it, this might be a golden opportunity for Mike Lindell. He could make a line of special SS protective gear for hot roofs. Like My Knee Pads, My Elbow Pads, My Thermal Blanket, My Sun Hat, etc. Trump might even give him a sole source, no-bid contract.

 

[Patooka]

Let's look at three examples. The shooting of the Republicans playing baseball and the Trump assassination attempt was not brought on by rhetoric of the left. Trump's rhetoric directly led to January 6th riot at the US Capitol.

You claim Trump's rhetoric has the magical ability to cause a storming of the Capitol and his own almost assassination i.e. his words have consequences, but the left's rhetoric has no magical ability at all and has no consequences>

Let's see if I have this correct
1. Trump speaks - something bad (sic) happens - Trumps fault
2. Left speaks - something bad (sic) happens - Trump's fault

Do I have that correct?

Let's see if I have this correct- you're seriously questioning whether a leader's rheroric can have influence on their followers? This is just a ridiculous thing to doubt.

No I don't doubt that a leaders's rhetoric can influence their followers. That much is obvious and well known.
From the imformation we get it Aust. it seems that Trump is blamed fro all manner of things. He is accused of saying/being all manner of evil and is held to account for it. Yet Biden can describe Trump as being in the 'bullseye' and it barely rates a mention. I can imagine the uproar if Trump had said that about Biden. He would be accused of inciting his followers. The accusation of incitement only seems to go one way - towards Trump.

I'm moving to where you live. Sky News, the Telly, Australian and SMH won't shut the fuck up about Biden's poor choice of words.

 

[ZiprHead]

Let's look at three examples. The shooting of the Republicans playing baseball and the Trump assassination attempt was not brought on by rhetoric of the left. Trump's rhetoric directly led to January 6th riot at the US Capitol.

You claim Trump's rhetoric has the magical ability to cause a storming of the Capitol and his own almost assassination i.e. his words have consequences, but the left's rhetoric has no magical ability at all and has no consequences>

Let's see if I have this correct
1. Trump speaks - something bad (sic) happens - Trumps fault
2. Left speaks - something bad (sic) happens - Trump's fault

Do I have that correct?

Let's see if I have this correct- you're seriously questioning whether a leader's rheroric can have influence on their followers? This is just a ridiculous thing to doubt.

No I don't doubt that a leaders's rhetoric can influence their followers. That much is obvious and well known.
From the imformation we get it Aust. it seems that Trump is blamed fro all manner of things. He is accused of saying/being all manner of evil and is held to account for it. Yet Biden can describe Trump as being in the 'bullseye' and it barely rates a mention. I can imagine the uproar if Trump had said that about Biden. He would be accused of inciting his followers. The accusation of incitement only seems to go one way - towards Trump.

This tells me you are a Trump supporter without saying it. Of course being in Australia you don't have to live with the consequences.

 

[ZiprHead]

The shooter didn't like Trump or Biden, but he was conservative. Most recent searches on his electronics show he was looking into the DNC convention and Trump's rally.

Even more, he wanted to be a famous assassin...probably because he sucked at shooting and everyone bullied him.

On Steam, he posted about it...

Investigators now believe account on gaming site in would-be assassin’s name is fake | CNN Politics

Investigators now believe that the Steam account in the name of the man who shot at former President Donald Trump over the weekend is fake, a US official briefed on the matter told CNN.

amp.cnn.com

I've heard that was a hoax.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Does this make sense to anyone? I've been on a shit ton of roofs, (both high and low slope) and the roof the sniper was on was on the low slope side, for sure. The sniper was able to get on it easily enough and set up a rifle, but it was "too scary" for the SS?

Secret Service boss blames ‘sloped roof’ for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin

My thought was "metal roof" in near 90 degree weather would have been more of an issue than it being sloped. It was a relatively gentle slope. There are a lot of shortcomings here, which again, I think is the results of Secret Service not needing to shield a President or former President from bullets in two generations.

I think they'll be looking at security details at other sites in the run up to this and similar security shortfalls will be noted, but it wasn't an issue because there wasn't a sniper.

A hot roof would indeed be uncomfortable, but somehow roofers manage to do their jobs in the hot summer sun every day. Why couldn't the SS bring insulating pads or protective gear to avoid getting a burn?

Come to think of it, this might be a golden opportunity for Mike Lindell. He could make a line of special SS protective gear for hot roofs. Like My Knee Pads, My Elbow Pads, My Thermal Blanket, My Sun Hat, etc. Trump might even give him a sole source, no-bid contract.

You know, the sniper could use it too. Pic of the dead body covered in Mike Lindell products on the cover of the NY Daily News.

 

[Gospel]

The Secret Service operates with a $3 billion budget, yet they couldn't allocate approximately $150 for essential items like an umbrella and a roll of heat-resistant material.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

At the moment, it is rooftop snooftop. They searched the guy and he had a range finder on him. Whomever let him go at that point, that person is in trouble.

He should have been apprehended at that tine, then they search his vehicle (after finding it).

Once they learn that this person was seen, the event should be cancelled.

This is feeling like the security check in Airplane 2, with the terrorists walking past and they grab the old lady.

 

[Gospel]

Kimberly Cheatle needs to scram. The incompetence is putting even President Biden at risk. The slope, temperature & "local police were responsible for that building" crap circulating is bullshit. I understand that securing Trump's safety is challenging, but it shouldn't be that easy to bypass security measures.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Kimberly Cheatle needs to scram. The incompetence is putting even President Biden at risk. The slope, temperature & "local police were responsible for that building" crap circulating is bullshit. I understand that securing Trump's safety is challenging, but it shouldn't be that easy to bypass security measures.

The question is that first line of defense, whomever encounter the shooter and they allegedly found a range site on him. It'll be a classic who knew what when.

Regardless the fuckup at the perimeter, once Secret Service knew, that should have been that.

 

[Gospel]

Unsecured rooftop with a straight view to the stage. Anyone observing an aerial view of the site would likely think, "If I don't want personnel on those roofs, I could put a sniper on that water tower." The sniper's job would primarily be to watch that area of the roof with a straight view to the stage.

 

[Elixir]

Unsecured rooftop with a straight view to the stage. Anyone observing an aerial view of the site would likely think, "If I don't want personnel on those roofs, I could put a sniper on that water tower." The sniper's job would primarily be to watch that area of the roof with a straight view to the stage.

That's one of about five hundred "plans" that could have stopped the, uh, event.
But that assumes that someone in the Trump camp wanted to stop the "event". Which I increasingly doubt.
Right now I think the probability is that the Crooks kid didn't miss.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

"Mr Crooks, we are from the Republican Party, and we are here to offer you the opportunity to serve your country and show your loyalty to President Trump. To ensure President Trump ascends to his rightful position as POTUS in November, we are going to fake an assassination attempt. We will have an expert sniper shoot his ear, and we want you to take potshots at the crowd. We will then have you removed from the scene, along with our sniper going to a safe place."

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Trump shooter's parents called police hours before assassination attempt

Thomas Matthew Crooks' parents contacted law enforcement Saturday hours before he opened fire on former President Trump at a Pennsylvania campaign rally, a source told Fox News.

www.fox10phoenix.com

Note his Libertarian father owned 20 guns and it's one of them that the shooter had. So...it would be odd that they reported him missing but did not observe the missing rifle...so you would think that played a role in their panic to call the police.

 

[Elixir]

We will have an expert sniper shoot his ear

I doubt that. Let's SEE the wound (that requires a hideous 3"x3" bandage days later). I bet it's a razor blade nick. Why aren't all the slugs accounted for by now?

The aspiring assassin's mother and father told local police that Crooks was missing

Huh? He had called in to work to tell them he "had something to do" on Saturday. How long had the parents been fretting about him being "missing"? A 20 year old? Did they call his workplace to see if they had heard from him, or were the police their first option? When was the last time they had seen him? How long is a 20 yr old allowed to be out of touch before parents call the police? On a twenty year old? This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Bunch-o-Trumpsuckers, so nothing can be taken at face value.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Brandon and the dems have a long history of howling about "how Trump threatens our very democracy".

So what? There's a reason for that.
Trump DID threaten our democracy, and more than threaten, took action AGAINST our democracy and STILL threatens our democracy by his own expressed intent.
Your willful ignorance of those facts doesn't make them go away.

It's not willful, it's a bad faith statement meant to antagonize and create willfully frustrated responses.

What any individual's reasoning for wanting authoritarians running the government is anyone's guess, but it's safe to say they believe they aren't the ones who are going to suffer for it while at the same time gleefully anticipating the persecution of out groups.

For anyone saying that X, Y, and Z governmental/Constitutional mechanisms will prevent Trump from doing anything he wants, that's just a phony conservative talking point or a naive liberal one, depending on who the person is that's saying it. The only thing that kept Trump from doing what he's proposing to do now was utter ignorance, complete unpreparedness, and surrounding himself with people who didn't know what the fuck they were doing. This time it's not going to be that way.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

We will have an expert sniper shoot his ear

I doubt that. Let's SEE the wound (that requires a hideous 3"x3" bandage days later). I bet it's a razor blade nick. Why aren't all the slugs accounted for by now?

I can easily imagine a flesh wound needing to covered to prevent an infection. He was brazed which would be a deep skin wound.

The aspiring assassin's mother and father told local police that Crooks was missing

Huh? He had called in to work to tell them he "had something to do" on Saturday. How long had the parents been fretting about him being "missing"? A 20 year old? Did they call his workplace to see if they had heard from him, or were the police their first option? When was the last time they had seen him? How long is a 20 yr old allowed to be out of touch before parents call the police? On a twenty year old? This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Bunch-o-Trumpsuckers, so nothing can be taken at face value.

We don't have enough details at the moment. Stuff is coming out in pieces, slowly. Most or all of these questions will have answers given time.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't bought into the idea that Americans are stupid.

Mostly with you but then I remember the 2016 election and the 1980&1984 elections…

The two are nothing alike.

Reagan was the governor of California for 8 years, but declined to run for a third term, which he likely would've won. He had been involved in politics for decades before that, and made an experimental run at the White House in 1976. He had the experience, qualifications, charisma, and credibility to become POTUS. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Reagan was a good POTUS (he wasn't), but he was infinitely more qualified (and more appropriate) than the shrieking unlubricated rape machine AKA Donald J. Trump.

Regardless of how it manifested itself, Reagan really did care about improving America. Trump's only running again to save his own ass from prison and there's nothing he won't do or say to make that happen, regardless of the consequences.

 

[Elixir]

I can easily imagine a flesh wound needing to covered to prevent an infection.

The broad limits limits of your imagination have no bearing on the necessity of a 3x3 bandage. I was in the wound treatment business for decades. There are now bandages (they can cost up to $2 each so maybe more than Trump is willing to spend) that can protect a wound from infection of any known sort, without needing more than a millimeter or two beyond the wound margins for adhesion. The picture of the freshly wounded ear would indicate that an appropriate bandage could be (actually SHOULD be, as that gauze monstrosity looks like it permits airflow and doesn't promote the optimal moist wound healing environment - he probably WANTS it to scar) virtually invisible.
I can easily imaging Trump wanting to make as much hay as possible out of his fake display of bravery by flaunting an oversized bandage as a purple heart, but the limits of my imagination have no more bearing on the actual situation than yours.

Trump's only running again to save his own ass from prison and there's nothing he won't do or say to make that happen, regardless of the consequences.

Exactly correct. I keep being reminded of the Aesop's fable about the dog and the rabbit. The owner chides the dog for letting the rabbit escape and the dog says "I was only running for my dinner, the rabbit was running for his life!"
It's the ultimate assymetry, and is probably why we will be saddled with a corrupt fascist bent on the destruction of democratic government.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I can easily imagine a flesh wound needing to covered to prevent an infection.

The broad limits limits of your imagination have no bearing on the necessity of a 3x3 bandage.

Dude, my imagination surpasses that which is healthy. Being pragmatic about an injury that was literally skin deep isn't having a lack of imagination. It is quite possible the other issue is how it looks.

There are now bandages (they can cost up to $2 each so maybe more than Trump is willing to spend) that can protect a wound from infection without needing more than a millimeter or two beyond the wound margins for adhesion.

Except the ear is probably the hardest place to put a large bandage. There is a viable reason for his ear to be bandaged as such. Seriously, I can't believe this is what we are talking about.

Not Trump exaggerating the blood loss in his speech last night, when some others suffered traumatic injuries/death, not lucky superficial ones. Oh, and saying God did it, and God fucked the victims.

 

[Elixir]

Dude, my imagination surpasses that which is healthy.

Dude, that IS healthy!

Except the ear is probably the hardest place to put a large bandage.

You're thinking bandaid, not a configurable Opsite™ type (a S&N trademark but I don't know the generic term) flexible, self adhering breathable waterproof membrane wound cover (among many others recently introduced). Optimally it would have included a tiny piece of the Silverlon™ type bandage we included in the F.A.T. kits we built for the USSS, and that is never more than a few feet from The President (don't know about USSS protectees like candidates). A 1cm square piece of that stuff would be more than enough to keep any known infective agent from taking hold.

There is a viable reason for his ear to be bandaged as such.

My decades of wound treatment experience and product education disagree. I'll defer if Eric or another doc with both field and institutional experience concurs with you.

Seriously, I can't believe this is what we are talking about.

Why? It's totally germane to not only what happened, but also why it happened.