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I'm not a military helicopter pilot, but if there are three people in a military helicopter and even if the pilot is watching the ground due to flying low, wouldn't someone else have noticed the beacons and massive flood light of the oncoming plane? They are right next to Reagan, about to intersect the landing path, so if there was a time to be extra vigilant, this would be the time. It is possible someone at ground control made a terrible mistake, but it just seems hard to imagine the helicopter made no notice of the plane.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
I'm not a military helicopter pilot, but if there are three people in a military helicopter and even if the pilot is watching the ground due to flying low, wouldn't someone else have noticed the beacons and massive flood light of the oncoming plane? They are right next to Reagan, about to intersect the landing path, so if there was a time to be extra vigilant, this would be the time. It is possible someone at ground control made a terrible mistake, but it just seems hard to imagine the helicopter made no notice of the plane.
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Maybe they did, just not soon enough.

"WTF is that? Oh shit."
 
barbos said:
It's a quite a stretch to suggest that this can have an effect that immediate.
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You don't believe that the announcement of mass firings and defunding across every federal department might cause a worker to become stressed and distractable?

But you're right, it was probably a conspiracy. You know, I hear there were Russians aboard one of the aircraft. No doubt they used a series of fantastically athletic triple lutz twirls to knock their plane off course. Ban the Olympics!
 
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I wonder if civilian air traffic control had complete domain over army operations.
Also, if city lighting was the background of the aircraft lighting at the hello’s angle, it might have obscured it long enough.
 
Politesse said:
barbos said:
It's a quite a stretch to suggest that this can have an effect that immediate.
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You don't believe that the announcement of mass firings and defunding across every federal department might cause a worker to become stressed and distractable?
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Can be a contributing factor, but I don't think there has been much time between Trump becoming President and this incident. We have to actually figure out what did or didn't happen first before assigning extenuating circumstances regarding those things.
 
ZiprHead said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
I'm not a military helicopter pilot, but if there are three people in a military helicopter and even if the pilot is watching the ground due to flying low, wouldn't someone else have noticed the beacons and massive flood light of the oncoming plane? They are right next to Reagan, about to intersect the landing path, so if there was a time to be extra vigilant, this would be the time. It is possible someone at ground control made a terrible mistake, but it just seems hard to imagine the helicopter made no notice of the plane.
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Maybe they did, just not soon enough.

"WTF is that? Oh shit."
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I'm reminded of a terrible accident in 2007 involving two news helicopters here in Phoenix. There was a police situation underway, and there were several helicopters hovering over the scene. One lost their bearings and collided with the other and they both plummeted to the ground. 4 people - 2 cameramen and 2 pilots - were killed. It was live on air, and some TV viewers heard screaming from one of the choppers.

As much as I'd like to, I can't pin the blame here on Fragilego Mussolini. The administration may bungle the aftermath, but so far this just looks like a terrible accident.
 
Ford said:
ZiprHead said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
I'm not a military helicopter pilot, but if there are three people in a military helicopter and even if the pilot is watching the ground due to flying low, wouldn't someone else have noticed the beacons and massive flood light of the oncoming plane? They are right next to Reagan, about to intersect the landing path, so if there was a time to be extra vigilant, this would be the time. It is possible someone at ground control made a terrible mistake, but it just seems hard to imagine the helicopter made no notice of the plane.
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Maybe they did, just not soon enough.

"WTF is that? Oh shit."
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I'm reminded of a terrible accident in 2007 involving two news helicopters here in Phoenix. There was a police situation underway, and there were several helicopters hovering over the scene. One lost their bearings and collided with the other and they both plummeted to the ground. 4 people - 2 cameramen and 2 pilots - were killed. It was live on air, and some TV viewers heard screaming from one of the choppers.

As much as I'd like to, I can't pin the blame here on Fragilego Mussolini. The administration may bungle the aftermath, but so far this just looks like a terrible accident.
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Oddly enough, that crash came across my youtube feed a few weeks ago. Horrific.
 
I'm uncertain the veracity but I read online that a transcript of the incident was published (people are always listening to the air traffic). They indicated the helicopter pilot noted visual site of the airplane twice. They were ordered to pass behind the plane.

If true, is that incredible negligence to lose the plane confirmed to be in sight? Or, the CT birds start flocking and this was... intentional?
 
Newsweek appears to have the radar of the paths. The chopper was allegedly informed to pass behind the plane, but they appear to divert to pass in front. And if the Radar is accurate, there was a collision alert 10 to 15 seconds before the impact. How could the chopper pilot fuck up that badly?
 
Cheato looks to be blaming the crash on DEI.
What fucking retarded asswipe.
 
thebeave said:
Elixir said:
Cheato looks to be blaming the crash on DEI.
What fucking retarded asswipe.
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Was the chopper pilot an indigneous lesbian transwoman?
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Are you joking?

It is out there online. Rep. Ogles mentions it out of no where.
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Ogles, in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo, was asked if there was any reason to suspect foul play in the accident. The Tennessee Republican, a member of the Homeland Security Committee, said he would “hate to jump to conclusions.”

“Obviously, we’ll look at everything, check all the boxes,” he told Bartiromo, adding that he saw the crash on his phone and was “horrified.” The lawmaker said he is praying for all those affected by the tragedy.

“But, you know, to your point, I think you have to look at this with eyes wide open,” Ogles continued. “See what happened. You know, human error? Was it some sort of equipment failure? Did DEI play a role in this type of thing?”
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"I do want to point out that various articles that appeared prior to my entering office. And here’s one, the FAA’s diversity push includes focus on hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities. That is amazing. And then it says FAA says people with severe disabilities are most underrepresented segment of the workforce said ‘they want them in, and they want them, they can be air traffic controllers. I don’t think so. This was January 14, so that was a week before I entered office. They put a big push to put diversity into the FAA’s program." - DONALD TRUMP a few minutes ago. (quote is being a bitch at the moment)

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As far as we can tell, the FAA did nothing wrong. Reports indicate that the the Chopper should have known that plane was there and confirmed twice that they saw it. And seemingly, based on Radar, diverted a little bit, the wrong way, when told to pass behind the plane.

Trump gets shot at... DEI, military crashes into passenger plane... DEI, sun rises... DEI.
 
And VP Vance is in on the DEI. The Trump Admin is using this accident, which Hegseth is now indicating was a military mistake to push a bullshit agenda!

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Vice President JD Vance also stepped up to the podium suggesting – without citing any evidence – that hiring standards have been lowered at air traffic control, which would be rectified by the Trump administration.

“When you don’t have the best standards in who you’re hiring, it means, on the one hand, you’re not getting the best people in government, but on the other hand, it puts stresses on the people who are already there. And I think that is a core part of what President Trump is going to bring, and has already brought to Washington DC, is we want to hire the best people, because we want the best people at air traffic control, and we want to make sure we have enough people at air traffic control who are actually competent to do the job,” Vance said.
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Can the air traffic controller sue Trump and Vance for defamation?
 
There's a video online I just watched in which you can listen to the ATC voice traffic. As far as I can tell there's no evidence of incompetence on the part of the ATC. In fact, the ATC's ability to remain calm and divert and direct other planes immediately after the accident is a testament to the competence and professionalism of those involved.
 
SLD said:
apnews.com

Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory committee

President Donald Trump has moved quickly to remake the Department of Homeland Security by firing the heads of the Transportation Security Administration and Coast Guard before their terms are up while eliminating all the members of a key aviation security advisory group.
apnews.com apnews.com

I’m sure it will have no impact on air safety.
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from the story

The aviation security committee, which was mandated by Congress after the 1988 PanAm 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, will technically continue to exist but it won’t have any members to carry out the work of examining safety issues at airlines and airports.
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Another example of Trump usurping power of the purse that he doesn't have?
 
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