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Trump is deliberately turning Republicans into violent savages
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The Republicans did try to go after Trump some, just not on this particular issue. They should have been dismissing him as an idiot when he was doing his birther nonsense. President Obama really took it to him on that one; the Republicans did nothing. I do think that he was underestimated by the party as well as the pundits. I don't know if #StopTrump will work; that remains to be seen. I do think that his support isn't as shallow, in numbers, as people would like to believe. I also don't think that the Republican party can get away with denying him the nomination if he's got a clear lead in delegates but is short of the majority.
I do agree with you on the dog whistle politics on the part of the Republicans; Trump just got rid of the subtlety. It wouldn't surprise me if he gave lip service to toning it down. I just wouldn't count on this hurting him. It does give his opponents room to attack him but I think that he's voicing something that a portion of the Republican base genuinely thinks. I don't know how big this part of the base is. I also think that some of his voters will not like him on that issue, but may not like Rubio or Cruz for other reasons. It may be the case that some of those who still vote for Trump are holding their nose, while others are voting with their middle finger.
I also wouldn't jump to the conclusion that he'll be beaten if he wins the nomination. I suspect what he says about jobs going overseas may appeal to some people in states that the Democrats usually win. I think it's too early to see how it plays out. I'd like to see the state by state polls after between Labor Day & the election.
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My take: Trump's most ardent supporters are largely Right Wing Authoritarians; modern day Brown Shirts. RWAs are already aggressive toward deviants, outgroups and those labeled as undesirables by perceived authority figures. This is part of the attitudinal triad that defines them, so it takes very little encouragement to whip such a group of into a mob.
Exactly.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
The typical RWA lack of capacity for self reflection has never been more apparent.
Cheerful Charlie
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Doubling down...
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/don...sing-charges-their-lives-are-gonna-be-ruined/
Elections 2016, U.S. News
[h=1]Donald Trump vows to ruin protesters’ lives by pressing charges: ‘Their lives are gonna be ruined’[/h] GOP front runner Donald Trump made new threats against demonstrators who have frequently interrupted his rallies during a speech in Kansas City on Saturday.
The real estate mogul vowed that he would press criminal charges on protesters and ruin their lives with an arrest record.
“I hope these guys get thrown into a jail,” Trump said. “They’ll never do it again, it’ll destroy their record. They’ll have to explain to mom and dad why they have a police record and why they can’t get a job. And you know what, I’m gonna start pressing charges against all these people. And then we won’t have a problem.”
He then said he didn’t want to ruin somebody’s life and “they’re probably good kids. I don’t want to ruin people’s lives. But the only way we’re gonna stop this craziness is if we press charges.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/don...sing-charges-their-lives-are-gonna-be-ruined/
Elections 2016, U.S. News
[h=1]Donald Trump vows to ruin protesters’ lives by pressing charges: ‘Their lives are gonna be ruined’[/h] GOP front runner Donald Trump made new threats against demonstrators who have frequently interrupted his rallies during a speech in Kansas City on Saturday.
The real estate mogul vowed that he would press criminal charges on protesters and ruin their lives with an arrest record.
“I hope these guys get thrown into a jail,” Trump said. “They’ll never do it again, it’ll destroy their record. They’ll have to explain to mom and dad why they have a police record and why they can’t get a job. And you know what, I’m gonna start pressing charges against all these people. And then we won’t have a problem.”
He then said he didn’t want to ruin somebody’s life and “they’re probably good kids. I don’t want to ruin people’s lives. But the only way we’re gonna stop this craziness is if we press charges.
untermensche
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The US is one of the most violent nations in history.
From the torture of African slaves to the torture of innocent Iraqi's at Abu Ghraib.
From the genocide of Native Americans to the genocide of the Vietnamese and Cambodians.
From union strikers attacked and killed by the police to occupy protesters attacked by the police.
To not see this unusually violent nature of American society is to not see.
From the torture of African slaves to the torture of innocent Iraqi's at Abu Ghraib.
From the genocide of Native Americans to the genocide of the Vietnamese and Cambodians.
From union strikers attacked and killed by the police to occupy protesters attacked by the police.
To not see this unusually violent nature of American society is to not see.
Cheerful Charlie
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/wat...strators-outside-another-chaotic-trump-rally/
Police were caught on video using pepper spray on demonstrators outside a Donald Trump rally in Kansas City on Saturday.
A protester filmed the incident while standing in a crowd of demonstrators when police officers, two on horseback, started spraying them. The Twitter user, Chris, and his friends were talking among themselves and at one point jokingly yelled “Save the horse!” in reference to a jittery-looking police horse.
It’s not clear what prompted the officers to do so, but several began spraying the crowd of protesters, moving down the line.
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Trump said Kansas City officials had suggested he cancel the event out of safety concerns, which the city manager flatly denied.
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Well, it didn't take long.
Police were caught on video using pepper spray on demonstrators outside a Donald Trump rally in Kansas City on Saturday.
A protester filmed the incident while standing in a crowd of demonstrators when police officers, two on horseback, started spraying them. The Twitter user, Chris, and his friends were talking among themselves and at one point jokingly yelled “Save the horse!” in reference to a jittery-looking police horse.
It’s not clear what prompted the officers to do so, but several began spraying the crowd of protesters, moving down the line.
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Trump said Kansas City officials had suggested he cancel the event out of safety concerns, which the city manager flatly denied.
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Well, it didn't take long.
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You might end up with a racist lying bully as President. Which is exactly what America has been to much of the world this century. And by that I mean the American political administration. Americans themselves in my experience are fine generous amazing extraordinary people, and I travel a lot and visit the USA each year, but their politicians are perhaps the worst anywhere
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Typical authoritarian aggression.
I suspect the police average a higher RWA and SDO (social dominance orientation) scores than Trump supporters. Submissive to authority, very conventional and very willing to use aggressive tactics on anyone acting disorderly or who doesn't show proper respect for authority.
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Underseer
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Conservatives "initiate conflict" all the time at liberal rallies and no one beats them up. Do you know why? Because liberals aren't a bunch of violent savages incapable of participating in civilized society.
Underseer
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Can you imagine the reaction of the "liberal media" if the police did something like that to gun-toting conservative protesters?
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This is bad even by our standards. This is not how political debate is supposed to work in a democracy. This is how political debate works in a fascist country.
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Conservatives have given up even the pretense of political debate in a democratic society. They are only interested in imposing their will through violence.
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Just look at the reaction of Derec. He sees nothing wrong with this behavior and is no different from the conservatives in those rallies.
Underseer
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I don't think you understand how this works, nor do you understand the level of denial of conservatives.
A handful of conservatives will vote for the Democratic candidate in disgust, but most will react like Derec and will see nothing wrong with what is going on, just like many Germans saw nothing wrong with the rise of the Nazis.
Conservatives have been carefully programmed by propaganda to be incapable of perceiving any wrong-doing by their in-group unless someone in the in group displays "disloyalty."
Derec
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Holy Godwin Batman!
And I have said from the beginning that I opposed violence, but I also oppose deliberately disrupting political events just because you disagree with them. That is a totalitarian mindset.
This is just too ironic for words!
Derec
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I can imagine the reaction of liberal media (without scare quotes) if Trump supporters disrupted Hillary or Bernie rallies and tried to prevent them from speaking. I can also imagine the reaction on here.
And what about liberals? Heckling and disrupting a political rally is definitely not trying to engage in "political debate in a democratic society".
Typical LWA, resorting to ad hominems and lies.
I have said from the beginning that violence is wrong. But being disruptive at a rally is also wrong and just makes Bernie supporters look like immature assholes at best, dangerous lunatics (like Dimassimo) at worst. And I say that even as I like Bernie (even if I disagree with many of his policy positions).
The issue LWAs have with what I said is that I also condemned disruptive protesters, and not that I did not condemn violence.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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So you would disagree with North Koreans protesting a Kim Jong Un coronation. You are not against totalitarianism, you are against freedom of speech.
Cheerful Charlie
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/don...-supporters-to-disrupt-bernie-sanders-events/
Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump over the weekend suggested that he would urge his supporters to disrupt campaign events being held by Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders.
After Trump called off a rally in Chicago and blamed Sanders’ supporters, the GOP front-runner called for the arrest of people who interrupt his events.
Even thought the Sanders campaign was not involved in shutting down Trump’s Chicago rally, the anti-Trump demonstration “was largely organized by supporters of Sanders,” according to NBC News.
On Sunday, Trump signaled to his legion of followers that it might be time to express their anger by becoming “disruptors” at Sanders’ events.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/don...n-just-wants-to-see-america-made-great-again/
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Sunday said that he was considering paying the legal fees for a supporter who was charged with assault for sucker-punching a black protester at a rally in North Carolina last week.
John McGraw, 78, was charged with disorderly conduct, after he was caught on video punching a man in the back of the head at a Trump event in Fayetteville.
On Sunday, NBC’s Chuck Todd asked the candidate if he would cover McGraw’s legal fees.
“Well, I’m not aware — I will say this, I do want to see what that young man [who was sucker-punched] was doing,” Trump replied. “Because he was very taunting, he was very loud, very disruptive. And from what I understand a certain finger was up in the air.”
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And that is a terrible thing to do in front of somebody who, frankly, wants to see American made great again,” he added. “And so, we’ll see. I’m going to take a look at it. But I want to see what that man was doing.”
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Let the games begin!
Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump over the weekend suggested that he would urge his supporters to disrupt campaign events being held by Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders.
After Trump called off a rally in Chicago and blamed Sanders’ supporters, the GOP front-runner called for the arrest of people who interrupt his events.
Even thought the Sanders campaign was not involved in shutting down Trump’s Chicago rally, the anti-Trump demonstration “was largely organized by supporters of Sanders,” according to NBC News.
On Sunday, Trump signaled to his legion of followers that it might be time to express their anger by becoming “disruptors” at Sanders’ events.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/don...n-just-wants-to-see-america-made-great-again/
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Sunday said that he was considering paying the legal fees for a supporter who was charged with assault for sucker-punching a black protester at a rally in North Carolina last week.
John McGraw, 78, was charged with disorderly conduct, after he was caught on video punching a man in the back of the head at a Trump event in Fayetteville.
On Sunday, NBC’s Chuck Todd asked the candidate if he would cover McGraw’s legal fees.
“Well, I’m not aware — I will say this, I do want to see what that young man [who was sucker-punched] was doing,” Trump replied. “Because he was very taunting, he was very loud, very disruptive. And from what I understand a certain finger was up in the air.”
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And that is a terrible thing to do in front of somebody who, frankly, wants to see American made great again,” he added. “And so, we’ll see. I’m going to take a look at it. But I want to see what that man was doing.”
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Let the games begin!
Cheerful Charlie
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/wat...he-pleads-with-him-to-stop-inciting-violence/
CNN host Jake Tapper pleaded with Donald Trump on Sunday to turn down the temperature by calling for his supporters to stop reacting violently to protesters.
During an interview on CNN’s State of the Union, Tapper noted that every presidential candidate had accused Trump of “inciting violence.”
“Do you ever consider whether you should be trying to lower the temperature?” Tapper asked.
The billionaire candidate, however, defended comments he made about wanting to “punch” protesters, saying that many of them were “crazed.”
“People are getting hurt and people are actually concerned that somebody might get seriously, seriously injured,” Tapper pleaded. “You are not taking down the temperature. You are, in the views of many of your fellow Republicans, making things worse, inciting, encouraging violence. And you’re a leader, sir. You’re the front-runner in the Republican Party.”
“Excuse me, excuse me,” Trump interrupted. “My fellow Republicans are running against me, they are losing big league.”
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Clueless. Oh so clueless.
CNN host Jake Tapper pleaded with Donald Trump on Sunday to turn down the temperature by calling for his supporters to stop reacting violently to protesters.
During an interview on CNN’s State of the Union, Tapper noted that every presidential candidate had accused Trump of “inciting violence.”
“Do you ever consider whether you should be trying to lower the temperature?” Tapper asked.
The billionaire candidate, however, defended comments he made about wanting to “punch” protesters, saying that many of them were “crazed.”
“People are getting hurt and people are actually concerned that somebody might get seriously, seriously injured,” Tapper pleaded. “You are not taking down the temperature. You are, in the views of many of your fellow Republicans, making things worse, inciting, encouraging violence. And you’re a leader, sir. You’re the front-runner in the Republican Party.”
“Excuse me, excuse me,” Trump interrupted. “My fellow Republicans are running against me, they are losing big league.”
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Clueless. Oh so clueless.
Cheerful Charlie
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Trump this morning has suggested the possibility of sending his supporters to disrupt Sanders rallies. I suspect that suggestion will be taken up by some of his most fanatic supporters. If these guys get pepper sprayed,would the right explode in righteous indignation? How about in states like Texas with their new open carry laws? Would some fool with an AR-16 showed up to protest at a Sanders rally be arrested? Will the gun nuts howl and shriek?
Trump should be looking at these sorts of possibilities and start spreading oil on these troubled waters, rather than being surly and doubling down on all of this. We need cool heads, good judgement and sweet reason here, but I see none of that coming from Trump, whose ego seems to prevent him from backing off his tough guy pose.
This could all get very ugly very quickly. This could very well be taken as a call to arms by the crazies on all sides, with effects that lead us who the hell knows where.
beero1000
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I wonder if Godwin's law is relevant to situations where there is a legitimate, objective kinship with a certain microphallused dictator...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/opinions/bergen-is-trump-fascist/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-make-sure-you-know-what-youre-talking-about/
Underseer
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You "oppose" violence, yet are strangely silent on the violence by Trump's supporters and Trump himself who openly encourages his minions to commit those acts of violence.
Instead, you are very angry at protesters who are protesting the very thing you claim to disagree with.
So forgive me if I have trouble accepting your claim that you "oppose" violence. Your words ring rather hollow based on your own arguments.
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Oh, and for those who insist that Trump's free speech rights are somehow "attacked" by these protests, here's a constitutional lawyer who specializes in first amendment issues:
https://storify.com/AndrewLSeidel/schooling-trump-and-his-minions-on-the-first-amend
When Republicans talk about "free speech," they mean something very different from the rest of us. To Republicans "free speech" means no one is allowed to disagree with them in public.