Trump is starting to deliver

[Rhea]

And when it comes to corruption: what corruption are you talking about?

The political establishment and
A global power structure responsible for the economic decision responsible for

1. our disastrous trade deals,
2. massive illegal immigration and
3. economic and foreign policies that have bled our country dry.
4. that have robbed our working class,
5. stripped our country of its wealth and
6. put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.

That's mostly the kind of corruption I am talking about although Crazy Eddie describes a few others as well.

If Trump does fail, the only solution is for the American people to become even more radical.

I edited your post to number items for response:

1. Trump has wanted and benefitted from those trade deals. And he has put all people in place who love trade deals.
2. Trump hire illegal immigrants, such as wife #3 who did not follow legal foreign worker rules
3. Trump has used tax grifting to bleed our country dry
4. Trump has used disgustingly greedy applications of eminent domain and sleazy refusal to pay vendors to rob our working class
5. Trump has personally decided to hire foreign people over citizen people, both in NY and at his overseas manufacturers and has taken his wealth overseas
6. Trump has big pockets for receiving all that money that was taken straight out of your wallet.

You are a mark to him. Nothing more. He will steal from you as he has stolen from everyone.

 

[funinspace]

You are a mark to him. Nothing more. He will steal from you as he has stolen from everyone.

LOL...Except The Sting gets reversed, and the winning player Doyle Lonnegan (played by Robert Shaw) wins over the grifters (Newman & Redford)...

 

[Trausti]

Narcissist or not, when's the last time an American president actually stood up for the American worker? Certainly not the current one.

1k jobs is chump change. Obama saved a million jobs with the auto bailout. I bet Trump won't get anywhere near that.

In fact, if he privatizes and deregulates as much as is being indicated, not only will there not be jobs, but everyone's costs will rise.

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and he's already saved 1K. The auto bailout started with Bush, btw. (And Ford didn't take a penny.)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

1k jobs is chump change. Obama saved a million jobs with the auto bailout. I bet Trump won't get anywhere near that.

In fact, if he privatizes and deregulates as much as is being indicated, not only will there not be jobs, but everyone's costs will rise.

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and he's already saved 1K.

Trump is Governor of Indiana?

The auto bailout started with Bush, btw.

And W signed TARP. He had an awful Presidency but did a few good things.

(And Ford didn't take a penny.)

They had already just leveraged themselves to the hilt, so they had capital at the time.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And when it comes to corruption: what corruption are you talking about?

The political establishment responsible for our disastrous trade deals,

We are the top economy in the world. How disastrous could those deals actually be?

massive illegal immigration

Illegal immigration dropped under Obama.

economic and foreign policies that have bled our country dry

You mean Wall Street was reckless and crashed the global economy and it took all of the world's top Governments working together to prevent the Second Great Depression?

A global power structure responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.

THE JEWS!!!!

That's mostly the kind of corruption I am talking about although Crazy Eddie describes a few others as well.

If Trump does fail, the only solution is for the American people to become even more radical.

Well, I just had lunch, so the rich will need to wait to be eaten later.

 

[Elixir]

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and he's already saved 1K.

... by promising "new inducements". As Scott Lincicome observes, " "CONGRATULATIONS INDIANA TAXPAYERS! YOU INVOLUNTARILY BOUGHT AN INEFFICIENT AC FACTORY."
Good job Trumpster, and true to form; screw that taxpayer then congratulate himself for such a "smart" deal. .

 

[Elixir]

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and he's already saved 1K.

So, shouldn't Obama get at least 180 times that credit for creating over 180,000 jobs, this year alone? And without paying them all using taxpayer money?
I'm sure that Trump will do even better once he gets his hands on the Federal coffers, though. As he drains the swamp and replaces it with his own personal cesspool of wall street insider billionaires, it should get even easier to bribe Companies into sticking around for his lower minimum wages and dole-outs of taxpayer money.

The only question is whether his toothless acolytes will ever realize they've been fucked in the ass, or if Trump can convince them that more money for billionaires and letting wall street run amok will fix it for them. Without Hillary and Obama to blame for it, that will probably get a little harder. But Trump has never been stymied by the lack of scapegoats, so I expect he'll do just fine.

 

[Rhea]

Now he's saying that if you're Prez, there's no conflict of interest running personal businesses at the same time…

Which makes me think he's just advertised "bomb me" to the whole planet.

So if, say, ISIS takes him up and destroys one of his hotels…do we go to war?

Interesting times...

Now _that_ is an interesting thought. If you were ISIS, and you suddenly had access to unprotected investments of the American President on your own continent, would you not start bombing them as soon as you could? I had not thought of that before but... wouldn't you?

 

[Elixir]

Now he's saying that if you're Prez, there's no conflict of interest running personal businesses at the same time…

Which makes me think he's just advertised "bomb me" to the whole planet.

So if, say, ISIS takes him up and destroys one of his hotels…do we go to war?

Interesting times...

Now _that_ is an interesting thought. If you were ISIS, and you suddenly had access to unprotected investments of the American President on your own continent, would you not start bombing them as soon as you could? I had not thought of that before but... wouldn't you?

Right... every Abdul, Omar and Muhammed will be rounding up his IED-maker pals to see who can be first to inflict a hangnail upon the Evil Empire.
Can't say that I'll blame them... much.

 

[Ford]

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and he's already saved 1K.

So, shouldn't Obama get at least 180 times that credit for creating over 180,000 jobs, this year alone?

Ah, but you forget...Trump supporters believe Obama destroyed the country. The number of jobs created was faked, the unemployment rate is really more like a million percent, and only Trump can Make America Great Again.

That thousand jobs in Indiana? Those are the only new jobs created since January 20th, 2009.

 

[Horatio Parker]

1k jobs is chump change. Obama saved a million jobs with the auto bailout. I bet Trump won't get anywhere near that.

In fact, if he privatizes and deregulates as much as is being indicated, not only will there not be jobs, but everyone's costs will rise.

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and he's already saved 1K. The auto bailout started with Bush, btw. (And Ford didn't take a penny.)

I saw that Obamas number wrt to the auto bailout was actually 1.25M.

So all Trump needs is another 1.2499M saved jobs.

But I don't see how he's going to do it with the team he's assembling. They're all top down types.
And again, when you add deregulation and privatization, working people will be worse off.

 

[funinspace]

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and he's already saved 1K. The auto bailout started with Bush, btw. (And Ford didn't take a penny.)

I saw that Obamas number wrt to the auto bailout was actually 1.25M.

So all Trump needs is another 1.2499M saved jobs.

But I don't see how he's going to do it with the team he's assembling. They're all top down types.
And again, when you add deregulation and privatization, working people will be worse off.

Pfft....all Trump will need to do in a few months, is Tweet out that he has already saved 1.5 million jobs. The fact that the claim is baseless and the libtard media (like CNN) call him on his baseless claim will just have him firing off into a Tweet storm.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I saw that Obamas number wrt to the auto bailout was actually 1.25M.

So all Trump needs is another 1.2499M saved jobs.

But I don't see how he's going to do it with the team he's assembling. They're all top down types.
And again, when you add deregulation and privatization, working people will be worse off.

Pfft....all Trump will need to do in a few months, is Tweet out that he has already saved 1.5 million jobs. The fact that the claim is baseless and the libtard media (like CNN) call him on his baseless claim will just have him firing off into a Tweet storm.

I wonder. It's one thing to let all kinds of bullshit pass during the election because you think Trump will help you, and another to let bullshit pass when Trump has had a couple of years and you've seen no change.

 

[blastula]

Indiana Gives $7 Million in Tax Breaks to Keep Carrier Jobs - WSJ

Indiana officials agreed to give United Technologies Corp. $7 million worth of tax breaks over 10 years to encourage the company’s Carrier Corp. unit to keep about 1,000 jobs in the state, a

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The deal would cover 800 Carrier workers from the Indianapolis furnace plant and an additional 300 research and headquarters positions that weren’t slated to go to Mexico, according to another person briefed on the deal.

The company still plans to move 600 jobs from the Carrier plant to Mexico. It also will proceed with plans to close a second plant in Huntington, Ind., that makes electronic controls, moving 700 other jobs to Mexico.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Narcissist or not, when's the last time an American president actually stood up for the American worker? Certainly not the current one.

"Standing up for the American worker" would see Trump making good on his threat to slap huge tax burdens on companies that ship jobs overseas.

But he didn't. He offered them a huge tax BREAK for NOT shipping those jobs to Mexico. Slightly more interesting is that he made the deal as a private citizen WITHOUT the powers of the president, which leads one to wonder what exactly Trump was even in a position to offer them at all.

Unless, of course, he made the deal out of his own pocket between carrier and his OWN company. Being president elect gives you status like that...

 

[Speakpigeon]

Starting a futile war is also a possibility but I think there are limits to what the Establishment and people in the security service would be prepared to contend with.

Bush/Cheney

Again, no. The war in Iraq came because Cheney thought it was a good thing and prevailed over Bush. I doubt very much Bush couldn't have made that decision on his own (and don't forget Tony Blair who push for it too). The situation seems very different today. I accept that Trump may be easily pushed beyond his own imagination and will in some cases but I don't think he could be pushed to start a war that he is not somehow personally convinced should be started.

Have you been watching the same Trump I have? For starters, he is about the most easily manipulative man I've ever seen. All anyone needs to do is play of his vanity and/or his greed. Want him to start a war? Tell him there is money in it for him or that the country's president made a mean joke at his expense.

All you have here are your beliefs that these things are highly probable. Get a grip.

You are giving too much credentials to what he said during the campaign. The guy is a pathological liar!

You are counting on a pathological liar to NOT be destructive for this country?

I didn't say or suggest that this guy was not possibly dangerous but being dangerous is hardly a new things for U.S. presidents.

Regardless, you have missed the most critical part of his mental illness. He is a narcissist. His lies are in service to his narcissism, and his history shows that he is also a misogynistic, racist bully. Every item I noted above is part of his narcissism, misogyny, racism, and/or bullying. He wasn't lying about those, and he has a congress able to back him for their own reasons (usually religious fundamentalism)

You think Congress is peopled with religious fundamentalists?

I think I'll leave you to your hallucinations.
EB

 

[whichphilosophy]

Indiana Gives $7 Million in Tax Breaks to Keep Carrier Jobs - WSJ

Indiana officials agreed to give United Technologies Corp. $7 million worth of tax breaks over 10 years to encourage the company’s Carrier Corp. unit to keep about 1,000 jobs in the state, a

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The deal would cover 800 Carrier workers from the Indianapolis furnace plant and an additional 300 research and headquarters positions that weren’t slated to go to Mexico, according to another person briefed on the deal.

The company still plans to move 600 jobs from the Carrier plant to Mexico. It also will proceed with plans to close a second plant in Huntington, Ind., that makes electronic controls, moving 700 other jobs to Mexico.

Way to go it's better to give tax breaks than give unemployed workers welfare. Too bad the previous government fiddled while Rome burned.

 

[Trausti]

Narcissist or not, when's the last time an American president actually stood up for the American worker? Certainly not the current one.

"Standing up for the American worker" would see Trump making good on his threat to slap huge tax burdens on companies that ship jobs overseas.

But he didn't. He offered them a huge tax BREAK for NOT shipping those jobs to Mexico. Slightly more interesting is that he made the deal as a private citizen WITHOUT the powers of the president, which leads one to wonder what exactly Trump was even in a position to offer them at all.

Unless, of course, he made the deal out of his own pocket between carrier and his OWN company. Being president elect gives you status like that...

To the folks who got to keep their jobs, don't think anything you wrote matters much.

“When you're cold, don't expect sympathy from someone who's warm.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich

 

[Shadowy Man]

Narcissist or not, when's the last time an American president actually stood up for the American worker? Certainly not the current one.

"Standing up for the American worker" would see Trump making good on his threat to slap huge tax burdens on companies that ship jobs overseas.

But he didn't. He offered them a huge tax BREAK for NOT shipping those jobs to Mexico. Slightly more interesting is that he made the deal as a private citizen WITHOUT the powers of the president, which leads one to wonder what exactly Trump was even in a position to offer them at all.

Unless, of course, he made the deal out of his own pocket between carrier and his OWN company. Being president elect gives you status like that...

Perhaps it was actually Mike Pence, as the governor of Indiana who gave them a tax break? They're still moving 700 jobs to Mexico. It also seems strange that the tax break they are getting is $7M over 10 years. That actually doesn't sound like much at all. If that really offsets the cost of moving to Mexico, it would seem that it's not so great a financial advantage to move. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[funinspace]

Indiana Gives $7 Million in Tax Breaks to Keep Carrier Jobs - WSJ

Way to go it's better to give tax breaks than give unemployed workers welfare. Too bad the previous government fiddled while Rome burned.

Uh, that fiddling while burning was the burning Shrub more than anything....

First this was a state tax deal, but as state deals go…Obama saved/created 745 jobs in April 2016 in this one deal by such absurd....cough....logic:
http://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...er-tap-state-breaks-add-retain-jobs/83525232/

The state of Michigan approved $28 million in incentives to add 500 jobs and preserve 245 more positions at Ford Motor and Fiat Chrysler. More than $1.4 billion investment expected.
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On Tuesday, the MEDC granted two such exemptions for the first time, officials said. One for Dearborn-based Ford is estimated to be worth $27.3 million over 15 years. The break on the assessment is based on an expected total capital investment by Ford of $1.4 billion in Livonia at its transmission facility; the exemption itself is based on $1.2 billion of the total investment. The company said it expects to create 500 jobs as a result.

"The company also evaluated existing facilities outside of Michigan for this project, including Mexico where they recently opened a new state-of-the-art transmission facility," the MEDC staff wrote to board members who approved both measures unanimously Tuesday. "Incentive assistance was necessary to ensure the project move forward in Michigan."

Getting back to reality, the states give out about $80 billion a year in tax breaks/incentives to keep companies from leaving their state/city or to expand there. See interactive linky:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/01/us/government-incentives.html

A clean/simple low federal corporate tax rate would be far better than making the DC swamp outsize the Everglades with ever more reason for companies to lavish money upon Congressional Critters.