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Trump is starting to deliver

Shadowy Man said:
Maybe I'm missing something.
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Your problem is that you're trying to bring "facts" into the discussion. We don't do that here in America anymore. Did Carrier agree to keep some jobs in Indiana instead of moving them to Mexico?

Victory for Trump!

Today the Labor Dept. announced that the unemployment rate dropped to 4.6%. The lowest in 9 years.

"See, Trump is already Making America Great Again!"

Just shut your brain off for the next 4 years, because we live in alt-reality now.
 
Ford said:
Today the Labor Dept. announced that the unemployment rate dropped to 4.6%. The lowest in 9 years.
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Yep, just 0.2 points below the Shrub's post recession low.

"See, Trump is already Making America Great Again!"

Just shut your brain off for the next 4 years, because we live in alt-reality now.
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I suspect we will crash into reality before the 4 years of captivity are over...
 
whichphilosophy said:
blastula said:
Indiana Gives $7 Million in Tax Breaks to Keep Carrier Jobs - WSJ
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Way to go it's better to give tax breaks than give unemployed workers welfare. Too bad the previous government fiddled while Rome burned.
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It was more political symbolism but quite powerful symbolism. For a state of more than six million, 1000 jobs is insignificant and a tax break of seven million is insignificant to the total State's budget.

But Indiana was a big winner. The seven million was not out of Indiana's treasury, it was seven million that Carrier would have had to pay to stay in Indiana rather than move to Mexico. If Carrier had moved to Mexico then Indiana would have lost more than that seven million that Carrier would no longer be paying. Plus Carrier agreed to put sixteen million into improvements and updates of the factory that will mean more income for the Indiana contractors that do the work. And then there is the taxes that Indiana will continue to receive from the workers that would have been lost (which will likely be more than the seven million tax break to Carrier)

It was apparently an easy enough deal to swing, Pence hasn't yet been replaced as Indiana's Governor. All that was needed is to convince Carrier. Why Pence didn't do it earlier is a mystery - maybe he needed Trump to explain the advantages for Indiana to him.
 
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Trausti said:
Crazy Eddie said:
"Standing up for the American worker" would see Trump making good on his threat to slap huge tax burdens on companies that ship jobs overseas.

But he didn't. He offered them a huge tax BREAK for NOT shipping those jobs to Mexico. Slightly more interesting is that he made the deal as a private citizen WITHOUT the powers of the president, which leads one to wonder what exactly Trump was even in a position to offer them at all.

Unless, of course, he made the deal out of his own pocket between carrier and his OWN company. Being president elect gives you status like that...
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To the folks who got to keep their jobs, don't think anything you wrote matters much.
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When you bribe the superintendent of your school district to get him to stop cutting budget to the music program, you become a hero to the local parents; that doesn't change the fact that you just bribed the superintendent of your school district.
 
Trump in August:

Over the years, I've watched, for years, for 10 years, for 12 years, for 15 years, beyond Obama, and I've watched as politicians talked about stopping companies from leaving our states. Remember, they'd give the low-interest loans. Here's a low-interest loan if you stay in Pennsylvania. Here's a zero-interest loan. You don't have to pay. Here's a this. Here's a tax abatement of any kind you want. We'll help your employees. It doesn't work, folks. That's not what they need. They have money. They want to go out, they want to move to another country, and because our politicians are so dumb, they want to sell their product to us and not have any retribution, not have any consequence. So all of that's over.
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blastula said:
Trump in August:

Over the years, I've watched, for years, for 10 years, for 12 years, for 15 years, beyond Obama, and I've watched as politicians talked about stopping companies from leaving our states. Remember, they'd give the low-interest loans. Here's a low-interest loan if you stay in Pennsylvania. Here's a zero-interest loan. You don't have to pay. Here's a this. Here's a tax abatement of any kind you want. We'll help your employees. It doesn't work, folks. That's not what they need. They have money. They want to go out, they want to move to another country, and because our politicians are so dumb, they want to sell their product to us and not have any retribution, not have any consequence. So all of that's over.
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Might as well have been August of 1971, as far as the memories of the brain-dead trumpophiles is concerned.
 
Elixir said:
funinspace said:
Holy Zeus batman! Who'd thunk you are a gold bug.... :devil2:
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I don't get it. :confused:
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Certainly, you didn't just pull August 1971 randomly out of your arse :D
http://www.federalreservehistory.org/Events/DetailView/33
August 1971
by Sandra Kollen Ghizoni, Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

President Richard Nixon’s actions in 1971 to end dollar convertibility to gold and implement wage/price controls were intended to address the international dilemma of a looming gold run and the domestic problem of inflation. The new economic policy marked the beginning of the end of the Bretton Woods international monetary system and temporarily halted inflation.
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funinspace said:
Elixir said:
I don't get it. :confused:
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Certainly, you didn't just pull August 1971 randomly out of your arse :D
http://www.federalreservehistory.org/Events/DetailView/33
August 1971
by Sandra Kollen Ghizoni, Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

President Richard Nixon’s actions in 1971 to end dollar convertibility to gold and implement wage/price controls were intended to address the international dilemma of a looming gold run and the domestic problem of inflation. The new economic policy marked the beginning of the end of the Bretton Woods international monetary system and temporarily halted inflation.
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*Headdesk*
I guess you're right! But I assure you, any association with those events was purely subconscious. Like 'most everything I do these days... great catch though!
 
Harry_Bosch said:
whichphilosophy said:
Way to go it's better to give tax breaks than give unemployed workers welfare. Too bad the previous government fiddled while Rome burned.
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What are you talking about? Obama dropped the unemployment rate by more than 50% and lead a 7-year growth in the economy.
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You and your silly facts. Don't you realize we live in a "post-truth" world now? You have your facts, they have their facts.
 
Shadowy Man said:
Harry_Bosch said:
What are you talking about? Obama dropped the unemployment rate by more than 50% and lead a 7-year growth in the economy.
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You and your silly facts. Don't you realize we live in a "post-truth" world now? You have your facts, they have their facts.
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But the difference is that my facts can be verified. Their facts can't!
 
Harry_Bosch said:
Shadowy Man said:
You and your silly facts. Don't you realize we live in a "post-truth" world now? You have your facts, they have their facts.
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But the difference is that my facts can be verified. Their facts can't!
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But no one cares about verification anymore. Haven't you learned that yet? If it feels true, it's true.
 
Harry_Bosch said:
Shadowy Man said:
You and your silly facts. Don't you realize we live in a "post-truth" world now? You have your facts, they have their facts.
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But the difference is that my facts can be verified. Their facts can't!
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When has that ever mattered in our world? Look at the popularity of religion.

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Well lets see..... after another 2 weeks since the OP of this thread, I think that Trump continues to deliver on pretty much everything that matters.

1. Ford has definitely changed their mind about Kentucky and probably the rest of the US plants too
2. Carrier changed their mind about Indiana
3. China (the chief economic enemy of the US) is mad at Trump now which is a good thing
4. A Japanese mogul has just pledged 50 billion in high tech investment to the US
5. Stock market is setting new highs daily
7. Steel, banking, and healthcare stocks are going completely wild right now.
8. A POTUS cabinet that has absolutely NO neocons in it

Looks pretty good to me so far. In fact, I think it is looking damn good for the US. Far far better than I would have expected before entering the white house.

For the first time I can remember I am hopeful for the future of this nation.
 
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