Trump Says He Might 'Encourage' Russia To Attack NATO Allies

[Politesse]

As though the Russian colonies were any more legal!

Lots of russian "colonies" asked to be "colonised"
Georgia is one example, "Ukraine" is another. Even Bulgaria once asked to be colonized, Russia refused.

Last I looked, neither Georgia nor Bulgaria were in Alaska.

 

[barbos]

As though the Russian colonies were any more legal!

Lots of russian "colonies" asked to be "colonised"
Georgia is one example, "Ukraine" is another. Even Bulgaria once asked to be colonized, Russia refused.

Last I looked, neither Georgia nor Bulgaria were in Alaska.

I did not say that all russian "colonies" asked to be colonised. Some were added using military force. Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

But Georgia and "Ukraine" did ask to join Russia, please note that fact.

 

[Politesse]

Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

And yet you were unable to take it in any real sense. A hill. You conquered a hill. And you couldn't even hold on that, and had to sell it off after just a few generations. How embarrassing for you!

 

[barbos]

Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

And yet you were unable to take it in any real sense. How embarrassing!

We took it just fine.

 

[Politesse]

Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

And yet you were unable to take it in any real sense. How embarrassing!

We took it just fine.

Well, no. You barely managed to hold on to a tiny portion if it, taking heavy losses of capital and personnel the whole while. As colonial empires go, it was pretty pathetic.

 

[barbos]

Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

And yet you were unable to take it in any real sense. How embarrassing!

We took it just fine.

Well, no. You barely managed to hold on to a tiny portion if it, taking heavy losses of capital and personnel the whole while. As colonial empires go, it was pretty pathetic.

No, we took it and had hold it for ~100 years, until it was decided that it was not viable to hold it against USians.
There are bunch of russians still living there. So, watch out!

 

[Derec]

Georgia is one example, "Ukraine" is another. Even Bulgaria once asked to be colonized, Russia refused.

Refused? So what is Russia doing there?

 

[Derec]

I agree, mighty Estonia might go to Vladivostok.

Unlikely. But China might. You guys did take it from them.

 

[barbos]

Refused? So what is Russia doing there?

Yes, refused (much more recently than you think), and yes, technically most of the people came to europe from modern day Russia. Hungarians,Finns and your damn estoinians came from center of Russia, Their relatives still live there.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You all are forgetting that Adamoff and Evya were Russians from the Garden of Russia.

 

[Politesse]

Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

And yet you were unable to take it in any real sense. How embarrassing!

We took it just fine.

Well, no. You barely managed to hold on to a tiny portion if it, taking heavy losses of capital and personnel the whole while. As colonial empires go, it was pretty pathetic.

No, we took it and had hold it for ~100 years, until it was decided that it was not viable to hold it against USians.
There are bunch of russians still living there. So, watch out!

You took a hill. You attempted other settlements but all of them failed. It was sixty years, which is only ~100 if you are very liberal at rounding. You claimed to have possession of Alaska, without any evidence to legitimize that claim of ownership. Just like you are doing right now. No other country ever recognized that claim, most importantly those indigenous nations that actually did owned the Alaskan coastline and have not ceded it, to Russia or any other colonizing foreigners.

 

[Swammerdami]

“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’ [Trump] said, ‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’ He said, ‘Yes, let’s say that happened.’ No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage [Russia] to do whatever the hell they want,” Trump said.

The audience cheered loudly...

By now it's not surprising that low-IQ deplorables would cheer. But, with the sole exception of Liz Cheney, top Republicans explicitly or implicitly endorse their leader's bullshit, treasons, rapes, grafts, frauds and perjuries. Denounce NATO and praise Vlad Putin? Sure, why not!

Trump bragged about his flim-flammery eight years ago, before he even became QOPAnon's mascot:

I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.

 

[Copernicus]

Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

And yet you were unable to take it in any real sense. How embarrassing!

We took it just fine.

Well, no. You barely managed to hold on to a tiny portion if it, taking heavy losses of capital and personnel the whole while. As colonial empires go, it was pretty pathetic.

No, we took it and had hold it for ~100 years, until it was decided that it was not viable to hold it against USians.
There are bunch of russians still living there. So, watch out!

You took a hill. You attempted other settlements but all of them failed. It was sixty years, which is only ~100 if you are very liberal at rounding. You claimed to have possession of Alaska, without any evidence to legitimize that claim of ownership. Just like you are doing right now. No other country ever recognized that claim, most importantly those indigenous nations that actually did owned the Alaskan coastline and have not ceded it, to Russia or any other colonizing foreigners.

Exactly. I've talked to Tlingits, and they are still a bit angry that Europeans invaded their lands, claimed sovereignty over them, and even shifted that claimed sovereignty from one group of Europeans to another (although Americans are not technically European). This was their ancestral homeland. Russians and Americans were interlopers. Still, they consider themselves to be Americans now, as do the many Americans who have descended from Russian immigrants or have recently immigrated themselves. A country that doesn't rank people socially according to their ethic origin is a richer country.

 

[Copernicus]

Georgia is one example, "Ukraine" is another. Even Bulgaria once asked to be colonized, Russia refused.

Refused? So what is Russia doing there?

That historic map reflects a time when Russians didn't exist. The Bulgars were part of Attila's empire, and many moved west to colonize areas of the Roman Empire. Hence, "Bulgaria". For those who don't read Cyrillic, the yellow area is labeled "Old Great Bulgaria". Cyrillic itself is a script that was developed in the southern Slavic areas to the west of the Black Sea and spread eastward into areas that are now the sovereign nations of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia. The yellow area is essentially where Cossack tribes came from. In Putin's Russian-centric historic fantasies, the Turkish-dominated Cossack areas were inhabited by people he now considers Russian, although Cossacks had rebelled against both the Polish-dominated Commonwealth and Russia at various times historically. Peter I once formed an alliance by treaty with some Cossack tribes, and Russians came to claim sovereignty over those lands during the many colonial wars that followed from those times. Originally, much of that land was considered part of the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Politesse]

Some like Alaska were just there for the taking.

And yet you were unable to take it in any real sense. How embarrassing!

We took it just fine.

Well, no. You barely managed to hold on to a tiny portion if it, taking heavy losses of capital and personnel the whole while. As colonial empires go, it was pretty pathetic.

No, we took it and had hold it for ~100 years, until it was decided that it was not viable to hold it against USians.
There are bunch of russians still living there. So, watch out!

You took a hill. You attempted other settlements but all of them failed. It was sixty years, which is only ~100 if you are very liberal at rounding. You claimed to have possession of Alaska, without any evidence to legitimize that claim of ownership. Just like you are doing right now. No other country ever recognized that claim, most importantly those indigenous nations that actually did owned the Alaskan coastline and have not ceded it, to Russia or any other colonizing foreigners.

Exactly. I've talked to Tlingits, and they are still a bit angry that Europeans invaded their lands, claimed sovereignty over them, and even shifted that claimed sovereignty from one group of Europeans to another (although Americans are not technically European). This was their ancestral homeland. Russians and Americans were interlopers. Still, they consider themselves to be Americans now, as do the many Americans who have descended from Russian immigrants or have recently immigrated themselves. A country that doesn't rank people socially according to their ethic origin is a richer country.

At least the Tlingits were aware - all too aware - of the Russian presence. Many central Alaskan peoples never learned that they had ever "belonged" to Russia at all until well after the fact, during the American invasion of the Yukon. Russia had never sent so much as a scouting party into many of the lands they claimed as territorial possessions. We certainly weave some funny webs throughout history.

I'm more willing to let bygones be bygones than many people assume when they meet me, but not when modern communities are being negatively affected by false portrayals of how history played out. If someone wants to claim superiority or just rule over another people/culture on the basis of historical claims that have no basis in fact, I'm inclined to call out those misrepresentations. Russia does not have any claim to Alaska now, because aside from those portions that were ceded or sold directly to them, they never had a credible claim to the territory in the past either.

 

[Worldtraveller]

They can have Sarah Palin's house.

 

[TomC]

Bottom line remains,
Russia agreed to a deal referred to around here as "Seward's Folly".

Turned out to be a good deal, at least for most people. Did Euro's have any right to colonize indigenous peoples lands? Of course not, except for the "might makes right" part. That's true about most of European colonial history.
And European people didn't invent that, it's an old human tradition.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

They can have Sarah Palin's house.

Funny how we attribute the wrong things to people.

What Palin did say was that Alaska was near Russia and you could see it (from an island in Alaska), therefore she had diplomatic experience regarding Russia.

They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska

 

[Shadowy Man]

They can have Sarah Palin's house.

Funny how we attribute the wrong things to people.

What Palin did say was that Alaska was near Russia and you could see it (from an island in Alaska), therefore she had diplomatic experience regarding Russia.

They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska

And if Palin weren’t such a nincompoop, a relatively benign statement like this wouldn’t have been turned into the comedic meme it became.

It’s like MTG may not have technically uttered the words “Jewish space lasers”, but does it really matter?

Ah… don’t we yearn for the good old days when merely being called a witch was enough to sink a Republican’s career?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

They can have Sarah Palin's house.

Funny how we attribute the wrong things to people.

What Palin did say was that Alaska was near Russia and you could see it (from an island in Alaska), therefore she had diplomatic experience regarding Russia.

They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska

And if Palin weren’t such a nincompoop, a relatively benign statement like this wouldn’t have been turned into the comedic meme it became.

It’s like MTG may not have technically uttered the words “Jewish space lasers”, but does it really matter?

Ah… don’t we yearn for the good old days when merely being called a witch was enough to sink a Republican’s career?

The statements are definitely fair game, though I'd say that what MTG said was meant as that, where as Palin was dealing with the issue of being a complete fraud for a politician, whose only capacity was that of creating dissent and anger. And she was the latest of the Pandora's boxes that was opened that helped give us Trump.

Regarding witches, the idiot that managed to fuck the GOP over so they couldn't get the easy Senate seat, proclaimed she wasn't a witch on the Maher program back when it was on ABC, I think. That didn't help her, but I think her lightweight political stature was going to doom her.