Trump says he'll designate antifa a terror organization, blames group for violence at George Floyd protests

[Trausti]

The way some are determined to excuse Antifa via a strictly literal interpretation of the group's name does explain why so many Soviet satellites called themselves Democratic People's Republics. Ditto the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

 

[Jarhyn]

If you aren't anti-fascist, you are either fascist agnostic, or pro fascist. Both are bad, because fascism is bad; it was those who were fascism agnostic who allowed the slide of Germany into a fascist state in the fall of the Weimar republic.

There is nothing extreme to opposing authoritarian takeovers.

The fact is, authoritarianism is going to be resisted, and we will always try peaceful and nonviolent means to resist them, through rational argument against authoritarianism; but there is no rational argent for authoritarianism, there no argument against freedom of speech, of the press, and when rational argument is unheeded (or actively shit upon), all that leaves is the use of force.

 

[Deepak]

The way some are determined to excuse Antifa via a strictly literal interpretation of the group's name does explain why so many Soviet satellites called themselves Democratic People's Republics. Ditto the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Or maybe, it's the fact that there's no definite organization to Antifa and that the ability to designate it as a terrorist organization effectively gives the government the ability to declare anyone a terrorist. I don't know what name you'd give to your state, but you probably wouldn't like mine.

Maybe you could float this idea to German citizens - they're not too hard to find on the internet. There's even some that remember pre-WW2 Germany. I wonder what they think of this

I mean - really, what could go wrong? There just needs to be a system where citizens can report their local Antifa members. Have websites run by one of Trump's companies where you can report people's Facebook pages for suspected Antifa behavior. I'm sure there will be an open review process.

Yep, it's everyone except Trausti committing the nominal fallacy.

 

[Jarhyn]

The way some are determined to excuse Antifa via a strictly literal interpretation of the group's name does explain why so many Soviet satellites called themselves Democratic People's Republics. Ditto the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Or maybe, it's the fact that there's no definite organization to Antifa and that the ability to designate it as a terrorist organization effectively gives the government the ability to declare anyone a terrorist. I don't know what name you'd give to your state, but you probably wouldn't like mine.

Maybe you could float this idea to German citizens - they're not too hard to find on the internet. There's even some that remember pre-WW2 Germany. I wonder what they think of this

It is literally labeling anyone opposed to fascism as a terrorist, because that's what ANTIFA is by definition: opposing fascism.

So I'd the people who oppose fascism are "terrorists" to the current administration, the. The government must by definition be fascist. There is no other reasonable interpretation of this situation.

If the government is opposed to the opposition of fascism, they have, in their opposition of ANTIFA, declared themselves fascist.

 

[Trausti]

The way some are determined to excuse Antifa via a strictly literal interpretation of the group's name does explain why so many Soviet satellites called themselves Democratic People's Republics. Ditto the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Or maybe, it's the fact that there's no definite organization to Antifa and that the ability to designate it as a terrorist organization effectively gives the government the ability to declare anyone a terrorist. I don't know what name you'd give to your state, but you probably wouldn't like mine.

Maybe you could float this idea to German citizens - they're not too hard to find on the internet. There's even some that remember pre-WW2 Germany. I wonder what they think of this

It is literally labeling anyone opposed to fascism as a terrorist, because that's what ANTIFA is by definition: opposing fascism.

So I'd the people who oppose fascism are "terrorists" to the current administration, the. The government must by definition be fascist. There is no other reasonable interpretation of this situation.

If the government is opposed to the opposition of fascism, they have, in their opposition of ANTIFA, declared themselves fascist.

You cannot be this dumb. I refuse to believe you are this dumb.

 

[Trausti]

 

[laughing dog]

You cannot be this dumb. I refuse to believe you are this dumb

 

[Trausti]

You cannot be this dumb. I refuse to believe you are this dumb

Oh, burn. So original LD.

 

[Trausti]

And what is fascism or a fascist? Even the Wiki says there's no accepted definition. So an Antifa'r gets to be violent against anyone he disagrees with then cloaks himself in self-righteousness morality.

 

[Deepak]

You think the government should have the same rules of engagement as an amorphous non-organization?

What world do you live in?

 

[laughing dog]

And what is fascism or a fascist? Even the Wiki says there's no accepted definition. So an Antifa'r gets to be violent against anyone he disagrees with then cloaks himself in self-righteousness morality.

And sufferer of ADS (antifas disorder syndrome) get to call anyone who is violent "antifas" and then cloak themselves in self-righteousness morality.

 

[Trausti]

You think the government should have the same rules of engagement as an amorphous non-organization?

What world do you live in?

Yeah, that’s exactly what I wrote.

 

[Trausti]

And what is fascism or a fascist? Even the Wiki says there's no accepted definition. So an Antifa'r gets to be violent against anyone he disagrees with then cloaks himself in self-righteousness morality.

And sufferer of ADS (antifas disorder syndrome) get to call anyone who is violent "antifas" and then cloak themselves in self-righteousness morality.

Dude, come up with something original.

 

[Deepak]

You think the government should have the same rules of engagement as an amorphous non-organization?

What world do you live in?

Yeah, that’s exactly what I wrote.

The OP is about Trump wanting the ability to define who the enemies of the state are so that he can have them imprisoned or killed. Then you post this as if you're jealous:

And what is fascism or a fascist? Even the Wiki says there's no accepted definition. So an Antifa'r gets to be violent against anyone he disagrees with then cloaks himself in self-righteousness morality.

I'm trying to be charitable here and give you the benefit of the doubt that you're at least trying to address the OP. Or are you admitting you're trolling and having some semantic argument while distracting people who want to actually discuss the OP? We don't need you to be our dictionary

 

[ZiprHead]

TO: ALL MEDIA
PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM “ANTIFA” IN RESPONSE TO THE THREATS ISSUED BY UNITED STATES PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
Dear Mr. Trump:
Let us be perfectly clear:
“Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”
“Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.
Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.
And that is the only effect his words will have.
It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the “AntiFa” page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.
The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.
But, since both the “president” and the media insist on acting as though “AntiFa” is this big, scary organization, the author supposes it’s time for “AntiFa” to make a statement.
Thus:
“AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.
Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged. We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just aren’t feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.
Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say they’re hurting and whoever’s hurting them refuses to stop.
Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks - police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.
We’ve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction. The so-called “accelerationists” who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.
This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying ‘no more.’”
And that, “President” Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isn’t a great deal of improvement, but she’ll only be president for a few months.
You can’t arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and “making an example of” the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.
It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.
Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands:
-Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.
-Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.
-The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work.
-Publicly funded higher education.
-Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.
-A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.
-The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast.
-Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.
-Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.
In the end, Mr. “President,” the simple reality is that “AntiFa” isn’t a thing. You can’t end it, you can’t arrest it, and you can’t silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.
“Antifa” means “Anti-Fascism.” The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no “organization” that you can “declare terrorists.”
You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it.
America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as “president,” a fascist nation. We’ve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.
Please, Mr. “President” - let’s not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.
Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.
Best Regards,
“AntiFa.”

I have no idea who really wrote this.

Am I now on a list?

 

[ZiprHead]

The FBI Finds ‘No Intel Indicating Antifa Involvement’ in Sunday’s Violence

 

[laughing dog]

And what is fascism or a fascist? Even the Wiki says there's no accepted definition. So an Antifa'r gets to be violent against anyone he disagrees with then cloaks himself in self-righteousness morality.

And sufferer of ADS (antifas disorder syndrome) get to call anyone who is violent "antifas" and then cloak themselves in self-righteousness morality.

Dude, come up with something original.

I wonder if ADS also makes one impervious to irony. Not everyone who riots or loots or even wears black is antifas.

 

[ZiprHead]

Dude, come up with something original.

I wonder if ADS also makes one impervious to irony. Not everyone who riots or loots or even wears black is antifas.

The man in black.

Usually.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Is there a limit to the boogie men that one infantile demagogue can summon? In Trumpland, as it has played out, you either ignore every lie and fantasy that roils in Donald's bloated head and spills out through his tweeting thumbs -- or you are human scum, the worst people on earth, and you have committed horrible crimes and deserve a long prison sentence. Many people are calling it treason, actually.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

If you aren't anti-fascist, you are either fascist agnostic, or pro fascist. Both are bad, because fascism is bad; it was those who were fascism agnostic who allowed the slide of Germany into a fascist state in the fall of the Weimar republic.

We're not talking about anti-fascists, we're talking about Antifa.

At this point you will say "The name means..."

When you say "The name means..." will you be talking about Antifa or National Socialists when you do so?