Trump says he'll designate antifa a terror organization, blames group for violence at George Floyd protests

[Worldtraveller]

You'd think those in this thread actively defending fascists would stop for just a moment and think about what they are doing.

Unless, of course, deep down, they are really quite comfortable with being fascist.

 

[Jarhyn]

You'd think those in this thread actively defending fascists would stop for just a moment and think about what they are doing.

Unless, of course, deep down, they are really quite comfortable with being fascist.

That's the great lie, the great bait/switch.

Get fascists in power with the unstated but implied promise that they will be 'one of the fascists'. Of course, they never will be. It is the same thing driving their worship of capitalism, the promise that if they work hard enough, they will be John Galt. They just don't see it, that in this system, they are not the people sitting at that fire, that they are rather the wood pile.

 

[Deepak]

Whatever is against fascism is now unconstitutional.

Antifa is not simply being against fascism. Vast majority of people are against fascism. But Antifas are far-left extremists who see everybody disagreeing with them as being "fascist".

I'm noticing a ridiculously large number of Americans that seem fine with Trump fascism.

You can say ridiculously large, though I would just add that it isn't unexpectedly large. This roadwork to get here has been laid for a long time. https://twitter.com/Stop_Trump20/status/1107698545983926272

I remember back when Palin first started coming up on the scene, in a different corner of the internet, I had commented that the Rs had missed their opportunity to avert their Nacht der Langen Messer.

It was the party for authoritarians before, and it's simply that we've passed the threshold where it's the primary characteristic now.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You'd think those in this thread actively defending fascists would stop for just a moment and think about what they are doing.

Unless, of course, deep down, they are really quite comfortable with being fascist.

There is nobody in this thread defending fascists. Nobody. The closest we have is Koy pretending everyone who isn't a fascist is in his rival hate group.

Every time I point out that most people are against fascists and at the same time deliberately do not call themselves "antifa" he snips it to avoid facing some uncomfortable facts about the flip side of the coin.

 

[Trausti]

Stalin was an antifascist. Be like Stalin.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Crips are anti-Blood. Be a Crip.

 

[Trausti]

Robespierre was the leader of the Committee of Public Safety. What, are you against public safety?

 

[Deepak]

This thread is literally about Trump, and enablers in his party, wanting to declare American citizens terrorists and have the power to erase anyone they consider a dissident. Literally to turn the full might of the American military against people in the opposition.

Neither of you have actually addressed the substance of the OP. Instead you've been arguing about semantics and generally bullshitting about Antifa, which by your own argument is effectively undefinable. And indeed is the reason that the matter in the OP is pretty much maximum alert level for normal people. Too neither has offered any other potential terrorist organizations as if to imply that none other are problems (specifically any with a defined membership structure).

Now this puts people who don't observe your inner mental states at a disadvantage therefore we have to infer what your actual point is. Given the posts the possible options

1. You think this bogeyman of the Rs is a big enough problem as to excuse granting the powers in the OP to Trump
2. You're bullshitting about Antifa but want Trump to have these powers for some other reason
3. You're simply trolling
4. You're so adept at making nonarguments that you've forgotten how to articulate a clear point
5. Some other undiagnosed form of emotional retardation

Trump is Anti-Antifa (ProFa?), be like Trump

 

[lpetrich]

'Disturbing' texts between Oregon police and far-right group prompt investigation

... "I will order an independent investigation to review the existence of bias in the actions of the [Portland Police Bureau] leading up to and during demonstrations involving alt-right and anti-fascist protesters," he said in a statement, adding that he has "heard from the people of Portland" and will also work with Outlaw to implement training for police in identifying white supremacy.

I'm reminded of the Weimar Republic and how it was much tougher on threats from the Left than from the Right.

Like ruthlessly suppressing the likes of the Bavarian Soviet Republic while having a weak response to the Kapp Putsch and the Beer Hall Putsch.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You'd think those in this thread actively defending fascists would stop for just a moment and think about what they are doing.

Unless, of course, deep down, they are really quite comfortable with being fascist.

That's the great lie, the great bait/switch.

Get fascists in power with the unstated but implied promise that they will be 'one of the fascists'. Of course, they never will be. It is the same thing driving their worship of capitalism, the promise that if they work hard enough, they will be John Galt. They just don't see it, that in this system, they are not the people sitting at that fire, that they are rather the wood pile.

Good analogy and I think it is correct economically. However, in some other senses, while they don't sit at the fireplace, they are the fire pokers, the spades, and tongs. Willingly.

 

[Elixir]

Every time I point out that most people are against fascists and at the same time deliberately do not call themselves "antifa" he snips it to avoid facing some uncomfortable facts about the flip side of the coin.

Flipside of the coin? LTha would be the fact that the actual organized advocates of antifa violence are actually white supremacists.
And guess who is avoiding THAT.

White supremacists pose as Antifa online, call for violence

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Every time I point out that most people are against fascists and at the same time deliberately do not call themselves "antifa" he snips it to avoid facing some uncomfortable facts about the flip side of the coin.

Flipside of the coin?

If "flipside of the coin" is wrong, explain who the majority of those against fascism do not associate themselves with Antifa.

You insist that anyone who isn't associated with Antifa is Profa, when that isn't the case. Otherwise everyone who hates the Crips is automatically a Blood. Are you a member of the nationwide criminal gang known as the Bloods? If not, are you a Crip?

Most people aren't in street gangs, so most people aren't Crips or Bloods.

You even managed to do some spectacular mental gymnastics to try to preserve "but the name means" when I pointed out the second word of "National Socialism". Your answer is it means when you like it to mean and it doesn't mean when you don't like it to mean. Impressive.

So, given that most people who oppose fascism do not affiliate themselves with Antifa, perhaps we can get an idea about what the group really is by examining those who voluntarily take the name for themselves. Unlike you giving it to them, they actually want the name. Much like how the graveyards are full of people who converted to Mormonism after they died, you speak for lots of people who say you don't speak for them.

Even though I know you're not going to respond to even the tiniest bit of the content of this post, but in the off chance you actually do respond to any of it, tell me what you think of Anticom.

 

[KeepTalking]

Every time I point out that most people are against fascists and at the same time deliberately do not call themselves "antifa" he snips it to avoid facing some uncomfortable facts about the flip side of the coin.

Flipside of the coin?

If "flipside of the coin" is wrong, explain who the majority of those against fascism do not associate themselves with Antifa.

You insist that anyone who isn't associated with Antifa is Profa, when that isn't the case. Otherwise everyone who hates the Crips is automatically a Blood. Are you a member of the nationwide criminal gang known as the Bloods? If not, are you a Crip?

Most people aren't in street gangs, so most people aren't Crips or Bloods.

You even managed to do some spectacular mental gymnastics to try to preserve "but the name means" when I pointed out the second word of "National Socialism". Your answer is it means when you like it to mean and it doesn't mean when you don't like it to mean. Impressive.

So, given that most people who oppose fascism do not affiliate themselves with Antifa, perhaps we can get an idea about what the group really is by examining those who voluntarily take the name for themselves. Unlike you giving it to them, they actually want the name. Much like how the graveyards are full of people who converted to Mormonism after they died, you speak for lots of people who say you don't speak for them.

Even though I know you're not going to respond to even the tiniest bit of the content of this post, but in the off chance you actually do respond to any of it, tell me what you think of Anticom.

So, if I voluntarily label myself "antifa" because I realize that the word is simply a contraction of anti-fascist, but I don't have my Antifa card, don't pay the Antifa dues, don't go to the Antifa meetings every other Thursday, don't join an Antifa facebook group, and just mill around a bit holding a sign at protests, does that make me a terrorist?

 

[Jarhyn]

To actually be anti-fascist you have to actually do something to resist fascism. If you just say "I'm anti-fascist" and do nothing when fascism starts to make advances, you can't say you were anti-fascist: You are defined by your actions, not by your words. Ultimately, those words must be consummated with actions to be meaningful.

So there is not, in fact, a majority who are against fascism, because the majority lets it happen, is letting it happen. The majority doesn't so much as vote for democrats, let alone punch Nazis. We have 42% of people supporting the fascist takeover, and of those who say they don't like it, a large portion do nothing to consummate that statement. They are at best fascism neutral from their actions.

Of course that doesn't make them fascists. You can be fascism neutral too. And while that is a problem, it is a lesser problem, the kind that evinces better education in the future so we don't get back to this point again. The kind of education that fascists have historically tried to privatize.

 

[KeepTalking]

To actually be anti-fascist you have to actually do something to resist fascism. If you just say "I'm anti-fascist" and do nothing when fascism starts to make advances, you can't say you were anti-fascist: You are defined by your actions, not by your words. Ultimately, those words must be consummated with actions to be meaningful.

So there is not, in fact, a majority who are against fascism, because the majority lets it happen, is letting it happen. The majority doesn't so much as vote for democrats, let alone punch Nazis. We have 42% of people supporting the fascist takeover, and of those who say they don't like it, a large portion do nothing to consummate that statement. They are at best fascism neutral from their actions.

Of course that doesn't make them fascists. You can be fascism neutral too. And while that is a problem, it is a lesser problem, the kind that evinces better education in the future so we don't get back to this point again. The kind of education that fascists have historically tried to privatize.

Oh dear, so for Jarhyn it seems that it's not good enough for me to label myself "antifa" and mill around at protests holding a sign while not liking fascists, I actually have to punch nazis in the face before I can be a true antifa. For Jason, even if I hate fascists with a passion, and go around punching nazis in the face, as long as I don't call myself "antifa", I am not antifa. Can these two sides ever find common ground? I really don't care. I don't like fascists, and for me, that is enough to wear the label antifa. #antifa4life

 

[Trausti]

Every time I point out that most people are against fascists and at the same time deliberately do not call themselves "antifa" he snips it to avoid facing some uncomfortable facts about the flip side of the coin.

Flipside of the coin? LTha would be the fact that the actual organized advocates of antifa violence are actually white supremacists.
And guess who is avoiding THAT.

White supremacists pose as Antifa online, call for violence

Ah, you’ve never been to Portland or Seattle. Come for the CHAZ.

 

[Jarhyn]

To actually be anti-fascist you have to actually do something to resist fascism. If you just say "I'm anti-fascist" and do nothing when fascism starts to make advances, you can't say you were anti-fascist: You are defined by your actions, not by your words. Ultimately, those words must be consummated with actions to be meaningful.

So there is not, in fact, a majority who are against fascism, because the majority lets it happen, is letting it happen. The majority doesn't so much as vote for democrats, let alone punch Nazis. We have 42% of people supporting the fascist takeover, and of those who say they don't like it, a large portion do nothing to consummate that statement. They are at best fascism neutral from their actions.

Of course that doesn't make them fascists. You can be fascism neutral too. And while that is a problem, it is a lesser problem, the kind that evinces better education in the future so we don't get back to this point again. The kind of education that fascists have historically tried to privatize.

Oh dear, so for Jarhyn it seems that it's not good enough for me to label myself "antifa" and mill around at protests holding a sign while not liking fascists, I actually have to punch nazis in the face before I can be a true antifa. For Jason, even if I hate fascists with a passion, and go around punching nazis in the face, as long as I don't call myself "antifa", I am not antifa. Can these two sides ever find common ground? I really don't care. I don't like fascists, and for me, that is enough to wear the label antifa. #antifa4life

Hey, even voting against fascism is action.

 

[Trausti]

To actually be anti-fascist you have to actually do something to resist fascism. If you just say "I'm anti-fascist" and do nothing when fascism starts to make advances, you can't say you were anti-fascist: You are defined by your actions, not by your words. Ultimately, those words must be consummated with actions to be meaningful.

So there is not, in fact, a majority who are against fascism, because the majority lets it happen, is letting it happen. The majority doesn't so much as vote for democrats, let alone punch Nazis. We have 42% of people supporting the fascist takeover, and of those who say they don't like it, a large portion do nothing to consummate that statement. They are at best fascism neutral from their actions.

Of course that doesn't make them fascists. You can be fascism neutral too. And while that is a problem, it is a lesser problem, the kind that evinces better education in the future so we don't get back to this point again. The kind of education that fascists have historically tried to privatize.

So what definition are we using for fascism, again? Is it just anyone that Jarhyn do doesn’t like?

 

[KeepTalking]

To actually be anti-fascist you have to actually do something to resist fascism. If you just say "I'm anti-fascist" and do nothing when fascism starts to make advances, you can't say you were anti-fascist: You are defined by your actions, not by your words. Ultimately, those words must be consummated with actions to be meaningful.

So there is not, in fact, a majority who are against fascism, because the majority lets it happen, is letting it happen. The majority doesn't so much as vote for democrats, let alone punch Nazis. We have 42% of people supporting the fascist takeover, and of those who say they don't like it, a large portion do nothing to consummate that statement. They are at best fascism neutral from their actions.

Of course that doesn't make them fascists. You can be fascism neutral too. And while that is a problem, it is a lesser problem, the kind that evinces better education in the future so we don't get back to this point again. The kind of education that fascists have historically tried to privatize.

Oh dear, so for Jarhyn it seems that it's not good enough for me to label myself "antifa" and mill around at protests holding a sign while not liking fascists, I actually have to punch nazis in the face before I can be a true antifa. For Jason, even if I hate fascists with a passion, and go around punching nazis in the face, as long as I don't call myself "antifa", I am not antifa. Can these two sides ever find common ground? I really don't care. I don't like fascists, and for me, that is enough to wear the label antifa. #antifa4life

Hey, even voting against fascism is action.

Ah, cool. It seemed you were going a bit farther in your definition than you had been previously. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Jarhyn]

Hey, even voting against fascism is action.

Ah, cool. It seemed you were going a bit farther in your definition than you had been previously. Thanks for clearing that up.

Maybe you missed it somewhere along the lines, but when the subject has come up, I'm pretty clear about the fact that votes are actions. A losing vote is an ineffective action, but an action nonetheless. I don't know how many people understand this or not, but voting is an implied threat: there are more of us than there are of you, and we don't want this to turn to a different kind of vote, now do we?

Of course, this is why we don't allow a vote that violates the rights to life and liberty, because that is an invitation to skip directly to the bloody version of voting.