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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

Lots of pictures of morons protesting. Someone has a sign saying lock up Fauci for crimes against humanity! What a freak.

Noticed the truck with "All Lives Matter" sign on it.... they matter until it impedes the economy, then those lives are not so important.

A sign quoting the old TV show The Prisoner, ignoring the irony that the last part of the quote was that they will not be numbered, which was said by Number 6.


Then the sign about the Republican governor: "Progressive Charlie is the Virus" .....

....which kinda makes the point some of us were making, when people said Bernie can't win because he is a socialist! so we have to nominate a moderate.... these right-wingers will label anyone they disagree with a socialist, progressive, nazi, communist, atheist, muslim.etc.
 
I decided to look at this iteration in more detail:
Coronavirus News: Live Updates - The New York Times

An ousted federal scientist said that he was pressured to steer contracts to clients of a well-connected lobbyist.
Me: such crony capitalism seems completely in character for this corrupt administration.

The White House is considering winding down the coronavirus task force in the coming weeks.

As outbreaks shutter meatpacking plants, meat gets scarcer in grocery aisles and drive-throughs.
Hundreds of Wendy’s restaurants have run out of hamburgers. Kroger, the largest supermarket chain in the United States, is limiting the amount of ground beef and pork that customers can buy at some stores. And Costco, where shoppers typically buy in bulk, has placed a three-product cap on purchases of fresh beef, poultry and pork.

The reality of the coronavirus in the U.S. is an unrelenting crush of cases and deaths.

Trump is heading to Arizona for his first cross-country trip since the virus restrictions.

It’s a surreal scene at the Capitol as the Senate returns for its first week of regular business.

The special I.G. nominated to oversee a $500 billion fund vows to be impartial in combating misuse.

The Trump administration is considering tax-cut proposals for next response bill.

More than 1,600 previously undisclosed deaths were reported at nursing homes in N.Y.

As schools weigh when to reopen, new research suggests children can transmit the virus to adults.
Me: that does not seem very surprising.

N.Y. doctors warn about a mysterious illness affecting children that might be related.

A lawsuit filed by immigration rights activists challenges a relief act.

A virus test based on gene-editing technology aims to give results as simply as a pregnancy test.

Pfizer and BioNTech said that their experimental vaccine began human trials on Monday.
 
Andrew Cuomo on Twitter: "#BREAKING: NY, NJ, CT, PA, DE, RI and MA are launching a regional purchasing consortium to jointly procure PPE, tests, ventilators and other medical equipment.
This will increase our market power and help prevent price-gouging.
States are stronger when we work together." / Twitter

May 3

Trump emerges from White House bubble to visit Arizona mask-making company - CNNPolitics
"The people of our country should think of themselves as warriors," Trump said before boarding Air Force One for the first time since the end of March. "Our country has to open."

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he day trip to Arizona will highlight a Honeywell facility that manufactures N95 masks, though the state is also a critical battleground Trump hopes to win in November's general election.

Trump has openly pined for a return to his beloved campaign rallies, which were made impossible by social distancing. He won't hold a rally on Tuesday but will deliver remarks and tour the mask-making facility.
What a big baby.

Trump will have to face the price of reopening the US economy: tens of thousands of American lives - CNNPolitics
President Donald Trump now knows the price of the haunting bargain required to reopen the country -- tens of thousands more lives in a pandemic that is getting worse not better.

It's one he now appears ready to pay, if not explain to the American people, at a moment of national trial that his administration has constantly underplayed.
How many people must die so he can get re-elected?
 
De Blasio calls Trump a backstabbing hypocrite over resistance to local bailouts
“The President of the United States — a former New Yorker who seems to enjoy stabbing his home town in the back — [is] talking about no bailout for New York,” de Blasio said at a press briefing Tuesday. “What kind of human being sees the suffering here and decides that people in New York City don’t deserve help? What kind of person does that?”

In an interview with the New York Post, Trump expressed reluctance to use a new stimulus bill to aid the states hardest hit by the coronavirus crisis. “I think Congress is inclined to do a lot of things but I don’t think they’re inclined to do bailouts,” he said.

He went on to say the states shouldn't get cash in part because they have Democratic leaders. “It’s not fair to the Republicans because all the states that need help — they’re run by Democrats in every case,” Trump said.

Democrats aim to squeeze Republicans on next coronavirus relief package - POLITICO
On a private call with members Monday afternoon, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her deputies sketched the outline of a trillion-dollar-plus package that would deliver aid to state and local governments — some on the brink of public service cuts — while shoring up safety-net programs for the nation’s most vulnerable.

“We have to think big,” Pelosi (D-Calif.) told her members several times on the call.
She hoped to have each committee head complete their part of it by last Monday, and she hopes to have the complete bill done by Friday. She hopes to bring the House back by next week to vote on it, though House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer hopes to give plenty of notice so they can get flights to DC.
Democrats privately admit the expansive legislation is more of a policy wishlist than anything — much like a draft proposal Pelosi released in March — but say they hope to move before the Senate crafts legislation, laying down the starting point for bipartisan negotiations
 
The unlikely alliance trying to rescue workplace health insurance - POLITICO
Big businesses and powerful Democrats are aligning around a proposal to bail out employer health plans in the wake of staggering losses to the insurance industry, as some worry that a surge in uninsured Americans could give new life to a stalled push for “Medicare for All.”

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But to some progressives who cheered Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) Medicare for All plan, the crisis has exposed what they see as the folly of tying employment to health coverage.

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Few people losing their jobs sign up for temporary workplace insurance, known as COBRA plans, unless they desperately need the coverage. And it's both complicated and extremely costly, since it comes without employer subsidies that typically cover the lion’s share of monthly premiums.

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While the health industry and Democrats still want to bolster Obamacare, an unusual bloc is pressuring Congress to fully subsidize workplace premiums for the uninsured.
Why can't they move to a German-like system of multiple private insurance companies that are detached from employment?
 
Ousted HHS official files whistleblower complaint on coronavirus response
Dr. Rick Bright's complaint says Health and Human Services leadership was slow to react and pushed contracts "based on political connections."


A top Health and Human Services official who says he was shoved out of a key coronavirus response job for pushing back on "efforts to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections" filed a whistleblower complaint Tuesday charging "an abuse of authority or gross mismanagement" at the agency.

In his complaint, Dr. Rick Bright, who until last month was the deputy assistant HHS secretary for preparedness and response and the director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, described a chaotic response to the virus at HHS.

The chaos was fueled largely by "pressure from HHS leadership to ignore scientific merit and expert recommendations and instead to award lucrative contracts based on political connections and cronyism," the complaint says.

Bright filed the complaint with the HHS Inspector General. NBC News has reached out to an agency spokesperson for comment.

The 58-page whistleblower complaint says he was transferred from BARDA "without warning or explanation" over his refusal to embrace hydroxychloroquine — the anti-malarial drug embraced and promoted by President Donald Trump as a potential coronavirus remedy.
 
Hey, so, just a minor quibble I have with your post: pretty much 100% of current testing systems for biological agents are based on "Gene editing". How do I know this? One of my best friends is one of those people who makes the proteins used in those tests.

Current testing for Covid also uses Gene editing to produce the tests.

A more useful statement is "mainstream style same-day fast tests for Covid under development".
 
I saw NY's Phase 2 part of the plan and in my opinion, opening the schools has to be last. I realize that means that it will be hard for some people to go back to work but 1: even if many businesses open a lot of people will still stay away and many people will still work from home. And 2, schools are germ breeding grounds. Kids from all over town come together, spread it and then bring it home to their parents and grandparents.

The idea that my kids high school would open without rapid testing for every kid and employee scares the shit out of me. It's closed for the rest of this school year but it's not going to be over in the fall when the kids would go back. The rapid testing and contact tracing has to be in full steam.
 
Trump’s Inaction on the COVID-19 Crisis Seems More Deliberate Each Day
Trump says he wants people to go back to work but is doing less than nothing to see that such a transition happens safely and without risking another flare-up.

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Most people will keep waiting, too, despite the rampant jackassery of the president, because they are taking this thing seriously and want to protect their families, their communities and themselves.

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Most people will keep waiting, too, despite the rampant jackassery of the president, because they are taking this thing seriously and want to protect their families, their communities and themselves.

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Here’s the conundrum: The only way this country gets past the COVID-19 pandemic is testing, testing, testing. We can’t even begin to fix it if we don’t know how sick we are. The only way to know how sick we are is through the kind of mass-testing program perfected by countries like South Korea, which tests tens of thousands of its citizens daily, and with the data collected, has managed to wrestle the virus to the mat.

Trump wants no part of mass testing, because he doesn’t want the country to know how sick it actually is. If the country knew how far this pandemic had reached, people would (gasp) refuse to work for fear of dying, and (gasp) the industrialists reaping wealth from that labor would lose money. Worse, they might (gasp, gasp) not vote for him in November because of how lethally he botched this crisis from the first day.

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As has been his way with every other scandal and mess he has gotten us into, Trump has chosen to face the current dilemma with his usual double-barreled shotgun approach. First barrel: Lie at every opportunity, take credit for other people’s work and point out nonexistent progress. Second barrel: Pander to his far-right, gun-waving base.
Then on how the reopen movement is a creation of right-wing activists, activists who are hoping to do what they did with the Tea Party a decade earlier. Not surprisingly, Trump loves that movement.
 
Opinion | Trump and His Allies Are Worried About More Than November - The New York Times - "The temporary imposition of popular relief programs in response to the coronavirus makes Republicans nervous."
But I think there’s another element underlying the push to reopen the economy despite the threat it poses to American lives, a dynamic beyond partisanship that explains why much of the conservative political ecosystem, from politicians and donors to activists and media personalities, has joined the fight to end the lockdown.

To even begin to tackle this crisis, Congress had to contemplate policies that would be criticized as unacceptably radical under any other circumstances. At $2.2 trillion, the initial relief package was a bill that was more than twice the size of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act passed in 2009

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In one short month, the United States has made a significant leap toward a kind of emergency social democracy, in recognition of the fact that no individual or community could possibly be prepared for the devastation wrought by the pandemic. Should the health and economic crisis extend through the year, there’s a strong chance that Americans will move even further down that road, as businesses shutter, unemployment continues to mount and the federal government is the only entity that can keep the entire economy afloat.

But this logic — that ordinary people need security in the face of social and economic volatility — is as true in normal times as it is under crisis. If something like a social democratic state is feasible under these conditions, then it is absolutely possible when growth is high and unemployment is low. And in the wake of two political campaigns — Bernie Sanders’s and Elizabeth Warren’s — that pushed progressive ideas into the mainstream of American politics, voters might begin to see this essential truth.
Thus, “The moment we go back to work, we cannot create an incentive for people to say, ‘I don’t need to go back to work because I can do better someplace else,’” said Sen. Rick Scott. In effect, force people to accept whatever they can get.
 
Opinion | Mitch McConnell Is Not as Clever as He Thinks He Is - The New York Times - "Leaving states to fend for themselves is a shocking abdication of responsibility that may haunt his party in November."
When banks, corporations and wealthy individuals need bailouts, the Republican Party is there, pen in hand. The $2 trillion CARES Act reserved $500 billion for aid to large industries as well as $90 billion in tax breaks for owners of “pass-through” businesses — a benefit that overwhelmingly aids rich hedge fund investors and owners of real estate businesses. Even the small business fund ($350 billion for firms with fewer than 500 employees) has mostly benefited larger companies.

But when ordinary Americans need help to pay their bills, and when states — which can’t run deficits — need help to avoid fiscal collapse, the Republican Party is much less interested.

Opinion | Another Way the 2020s Might Be Like the 1930s - The New York Times - "The strikes at Amazon and elsewhere over working conditions and low pay have been small, but they may spark a new movement."
Class consciousness does not flow automatically out of class identity. Being a worker does not necessarily mean you will come to identify as a worker. Instead, you can think of class consciousness as a process of discovery, of insights derived from events that put the relationships of class into stark relief.
Then noting some of the recent strikes, like of Detroit bus drivers and Amazon warehouse workers.
It’s true these actions have been limited in scope and scale. But if they continue, and if they increase, they may come to represent the first stirrings of something much larger. The consequential strike wave of 1934 — which paved the way for the National Labor Relations Act and created new political space for serious government action on behalf of labor — was presaged by a year of unrest in workplaces across the country, from factories and farms to newspaper offices and Hollywood sets.
It helped that FDR was sympathetic to labor unions, but Trump isn't.
 
I saw NY's Phase 2 part of the plan and in my opinion, opening the schools has to be last. I realize that means that it will be hard for some people to go back to work but 1: even if many businesses open a lot of people will still stay away and many people will still work from home. And 2, schools are germ breeding grounds. Kids from all over town come together, spread it and then bring it home to their parents and grandparents.

The idea that my kids high school would open without rapid testing for every kid and employee scares the shit out of me. It's closed for the rest of this school year but it's not going to be over in the fall when the kids would go back. The rapid testing and contact tracing has to be in full steam.

At least in the UK it was determined that closing schools reduced infections by 2%. The implication was that schools could have remained open and possibly should remain open.
 
I saw NY's Phase 2 part of the plan and in my opinion, opening the schools has to be last. I realize that means that it will be hard for some people to go back to work but 1: even if many businesses open a lot of people will still stay away and many people will still work from home. And 2, schools are germ breeding grounds. Kids from all over town come together, spread it and then bring it home to their parents and grandparents.

The idea that my kids high school would open without rapid testing for every kid and employee scares the shit out of me. It's closed for the rest of this school year but it's not going to be over in the fall when the kids would go back. The rapid testing and contact tracing has to be in full steam.

At least in the UK it was determined that closing schools reduced infections by 2%. The implication was that schools could have remained open and possibly should remain open.

I would have to be shown reliable data on that to accept that 2% figure. I'd say that 2% figure is extremely suspect.
 
Well, with COVID-19 virtually behind us, Trump Administration officials suggesting that the COVID-19 Task Force will be winding down on Memorial Day.
article said:
Trump administration officials are telling staff members of the coronavirus task force that the White House plans to wind down the operation in the weeks to come despite growing evidence that the crisis is raging on, Maggie Haberman reports.
It should be just a short matter of time before Trump tweets this is fake news... and then passively aggressively confirms it, in same tweet.


Meanwhile, NY and NJ weekly cases dropped from 44k and 22k (4/20 to 4/27) to 27k and 17k (4/27 to 5/4). This means a drop of 22k in new daily cases comparing the two weeks. The dropped 16.5k over the same period, indicating that outside NY and NJ, the US is averaging an upward trend.
 
I saw NY's Phase 2 part of the plan and in my opinion, opening the schools has to be last. I realize that means that it will be hard for some people to go back to work but 1: even if many businesses open a lot of people will still stay away and many people will still work from home. And 2, schools are germ breeding grounds. Kids from all over town come together, spread it and then bring it home to their parents and grandparents.

The idea that my kids high school would open without rapid testing for every kid and employee scares the shit out of me. It's closed for the rest of this school year but it's not going to be over in the fall when the kids would go back. The rapid testing and contact tracing has to be in full steam.

At least in the UK it was determined that closing schools reduced infections by 2%. The implication was that schools could have remained open and possibly should remain open.

I would have to be shown reliable data on that to accept that 2% figure. I'd say that 2% figure is extremely suspect.

Yeah, given that the number of infections is so poorly understood as to be practically unknown, the likelihood of an accurate figure for how that unknown number might have varied in a hypothetical different scenario is essentially zero. It's 2%, plus or minus about 100%.
 
I would have to be shown reliable data on that to accept that 2% figure. I'd say that 2% figure is extremely suspect.

Yeah, given that the number of infections is so poorly understood as to be practically unknown, the likelihood of an accurate figure for how that unknown number might have varied in a hypothetical different scenario is essentially zero. It's 2%, plus or minus about 100%.
Is that closing schools and doing nothing else? Maybe 2% is a viable answer. Much like shutting everything down, but not closing schools would have much less of an effect.
 
This AP article makes a very interesting point: US infection rate rising outside New York as states open up

The point is that the New York metropolitan area dominates the statistical progress reports for the entire nation. When it was spiking, the rate of increase in the entire country was reported as worse than it actually was. Now that New York is beginning to recover, its rate of infection pulls the rate for the country down. However, if you subtract the New York metropolitan area, the rate of increase is still going up in the rest of the country. Statistics can be misleading in so many ways, and this particular statistical distortion is being used by the covidiot crowd to push states to reopen economies at a time when their cases are beginning to spike upward.
 
This AP article makes a very interesting point: US infection rate rising outside New York as states open up

The point is that the New York metropolitan area dominates the statistical progress reports for the entire nation. When it was spiking, the rate of increase in the entire country was reported as worse than it actually was. Now that New York is beginning to recover, its rate of infection pulls the rate for the country down. However, if you subtract the New York metropolitan area, the rate of increase is still going up in the rest of the country. Statistics can be misleading in so many ways, and this particular statistical distortion is being used by the covidiot crowd to push states to reopen economies at a time when their cases are beginning to spike upward.

Rachel Maddow is talking about that right now.
 
Irish donate money to Native Americans fighting coronavirus outbreak to help repay old favor | TheHill
According to The New York Times, scores of Irish people have donated to a fundraiser set up to help the Navajo Nation and Hopi Reservation, citing inspiration from a gesture the Choctaw Nation made to the Irish community in 1847, just years after the Trail of Tears, when the tribe donated $170 in relief, which is roughly worth $5,000 now, to those impacted by the Great Famine.
Irish Return an Old Favor, Helping Native Americans Battling the Virus - The New York Times

Over half of workforce at Tyson plant in Iowa tests positive for coronavirus | TheHill

Iowa congressional candidate: 'Travesty' that meatpacking workers haven't had protective equipment | TheHill

Several countries are racing to come up with a coronavirus vaccine — together | TheHill
 
Coronavirus started infecting people globally late last year: study | TheHill
The coronavirus has been circulating among people since late 2019 and appears to have experienced a highly rapid spread after the first infection, according to a new genetic analysis of 7,600 patients around the world.

Researchers in Britain wrote in a report published Tuesday in the journal Infection, Genetics and Evolution that they examined samples taken at different times and from different places, concluding that the virus first began infecting people late last yea
Emergence of genomic diversity and recurrent mutations in SARS-CoV-2 - ScienceDirect


Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Well run States should not be bailing out poorly run States, using CoronaVirus as the excuse! The elimination of Sanctuary Cities, Payroll Taxes, and perhaps Capital Gains Taxes, must be put on the table. Also lawsuit indemnification & business deductions for restaurants & ent." / Twitter
then
Cenk Uygur on Twitter: "If we had a Democrat with balls when we take over, they’d cut off funding to red states & make them beg for their handout. Almost all of them are welfare queens who live off the blue states. Republican run states are on average miserable failures who take more from federal govt. https://t.co/0aifSBybnE" / Twitter

He got a lot of criticism for that.

Mckayla Wilkes for Congress on Twitter: "@cenkuygur We should not cut off funding to any states because the most vulnerable people are the ones who will suffer if we do. Also, please don't use the inherently derogatory & racialized "welfare queens" trope like this.
Cenk, wth is this take?" / Twitter


Emma Vigeland on Twitter: "@cenkuygur Punish the states’ Republican leaders by publicly shaming them. Don’t cut off funds for poor people in red states who need government assistance — their social safety net is already threadbare as it is. And even strategically, this would be weaponized mercilessly by the right." / Twitter
 
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