Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

[KeepTalking]

This crisis seems almost like a gift to Trump. He loses the great economy but in return is handed a situation where he works best. He got his wealth through real estate development. But what does a real estate developer do? Doesn't design the building. Doesn't build it either. The developer is the guy who gets disparate parties together - builder, finance, supply, regulation, etc - to complete the project. And the developer has to lie a lot, talk things up, to keep everyone on board. That's Trump's schtick.

Trump's schtick is also running companies into the ground, with a half-dozen bankruptcies under his belt. Let's hope that doesn't happen this time around, but it doesn't look good.

 

[Keith&Co.]

No, Keith, you guys have said that Trump should've done more drastic measures in January, which was back when Fauci was saying "there's no problem."

Well, you spelled my name right. Nothing else in that is correct.

'We' were not asking for 'more drastic' measures. We are saying ANY measures would have been better. He got the same briefings as thise senators who dropped travel stocks and invested in PPE and ventilators. He should have been prepping accordingly.
Fauci did not say "there's no problem." [You really are fucking poor at quotes] If there were no problem, he would not have mentioned adhering to CDC guidelines, nu? That's something else the Dotard should have been doing. Opening the pandemic playbook and seeing what needed done.

So, we're criticizing him NOT for take steps that were not drastic enough, but for doing fuck-all to prepare the nation.
And pretending tge experts' opinion was expressed completely in that tiny clip is disengenuous at best.

Trump banned flights from China on January 31, Keith. Also declared a national emergency, too.

And how many pages of the pandemic playbook do the both of those actions enact?
How soon did he ramp up our ability to test for C19?
How much lead time did he gain on PPE inventory?
When did he become familiar with the needs of ventilators vice the numbers at most hospitals?
How many pandemics drills did the administration schedule after the one where Obama-s people taught them how to respond to a pandemic?
When he cut travel from Europe, why fid he still allow travel from countries where he holds property?

 

[Keith&Co.]

I'm the one pointing out things that prove you guys wrong. For example, many people on this board take China's word as Gospel that the virus has stopped.

Many? If many say that, can you quote two?

 

[KeepTalking]

I'm the one pointing out things that prove you guys wrong.

The only person you have ever proven wrong here is yourself. You do it nearly every time you post, for example, just now.

For example, many people on this board take China's word as Gospel that the virus has stopped.

Prove that you are not wrong. Post a direct quote in context from someone on this board. If you can't do that, you have just proven yourself wrong again, because no one has said that on this board.

 

[Half-Life]

This crisis seems almost like a gift to Trump. He loses the great economy but in return is handed a situation where he works best. He got his wealth through real estate development. But what does a real estate developer do? Doesn't design the building. Doesn't build it either. The developer is the guy who gets disparate parties together - builder, finance, supply, regulation, etc - to complete the project. And the developer has to lie a lot, talk things up, to keep everyone on board. That's Trump's schtick.

Trump's schtick is also running companies into the ground, with a half-dozen bankruptcies under his belt. Let's hope that doesn't happen this time around, but it doesn't look good.

But I thought you guys hate companies who make big money? So shouldn't it be a good thing to you guys if Trump caused companies to stop existing?

The leftist worldview never seems to be consistent. You make fun of people who are extremely successful with their companies, such as Jeff Bezos, but then also make fun of people who couldn't make the money that Bezos does...

 

[ZiprHead]

No, Keith, you guys have said that Trump should've done more drastic measures in January, which was back when Fauci was saying "there's no problem."

Well, you spelled my name right. Nothing else in that is correct.

'We' were not asking for 'more drastic' measures. We are saying ANY measures would have been better. He got the same briefings as thise senators who dropped travel stocks and invested in PPE and ventilators. He should have been prepping accordingly.
Fauci did not say "there's no problem." [You really are fucking poor at quotes] If there were no problem, he would not have mentioned adhering to CDC guidelines, nu? That's something else the Dotard should have been doing. Opening the pandemic playbook and seeing what needed done.

So, we're criticizing him NOT for take steps that were not drastic enough, but for doing fuck-all to prepare the nation.
And pretending tge experts' opinion was expressed completely in that tiny clip is disengenuous at best.

Trump banned flights from China on January 31, Keith. Also declared a national emergency, too.

No, he did not.

A day after the WHO decision, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency for the U.S. for the novel coronavirus and announced travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2. The policy prohibited non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S.

As we have written, Trump was wrong to call the policy a “travel ban” or to claim that he “closed up” all travel between the countries. There were exceptions, including for Americans and their family members and for trade. Trump also has repeatedly and misleadingly cast his decision to impose the travel restrictions as a “bold” move made “against the advice of almost everybody.” Azar said the decision stemmed from “the uniform recommendations of the career public health officials here at HHS.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-biden-spin-china-travel-restrictions/

 

[Half-Life]

I'm the one pointing out things that prove you guys wrong.

The only person you have ever proven wrong here is yourself. You do it nearly every time you post, for example, just now.

For example, many people on this board take China's word as Gospel that the virus has stopped.

Prove that you are not wrong. Post a direct quote in context from someone on this board. If you can't do that, you have just proven yourself wrong again, because no one has said that on this board.

In the world-o-meter thread, people are saying China's deaths are close to 0 now. Do you guys believe their word?

How come the media doesn't report on the people they are executing with the disease so they don't count toward official numbers? Have corona but die of a heart attack? Well, that's not a corona death of course! Very sneaky stuff here.

Fox News right now is slamming China right now for lying to us about the virus and putting out propaganda. I don't know why so many people view communist China as a squeaky clean angelic country. Doctors and media who were sounding the alarm with the real truth were thrown in prison in China.

 

[Rhea]

I'm the one pointing out things that prove you guys wrong.

No, you are having a conversation with yourself. You do not prove any of us wrong because you do not address any of the ideas put before you. You make up an extreme and respond to that, as I showed clearly in your quotes.

For example, many people on this board take China's word as Gospel that the virus has stopped.

No one. Not one single person posting here. You just fabricated this. It is not true. Why would you be okay with that? Do you approve of dishonesty?

They are taking a COMMUNIST REGIME'S word as Gospel...

No one is doing that. Not one single person posting here. You just fabricated this. It is not true. Why would you be okay with that? Do you approve of dishonesty?

.because communist regimes ALWAYS have the best interest of their people at heart, right?

And then you revert back to the extreme. "Always" Since no one said that, not a single person here, why would you want to pleasure yourself by rubbing up against this statement that you yourself fabricated?

And I'm wrong to point out that we shouldn't believe their lies?

No one said that we should "believe their lies.". Not one single person posting here. You just fabricated this. It is not true. Why would you be okay with that? Do you approve of dishonesty?

We already know they lied to us since the beginning and have been under reporting their death count.

Yes, we do all know that. First true thing you said in this post.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The only person you have ever proven wrong here is yourself. You do it nearly every time you post, for example, just now.



Prove that you are not wrong. Post a direct quote in context from someone on this board. If you can't do that, you have just proven yourself wrong again, because no one has said that on this board.

In the world-o-meter thread, people are saying

How is it you missed the day the coach explained 'direct quote'?

 

[Trausti]

Trump banned flights from China on January 31, Keith. Also declared a national emergency, too.

No, he did not.

A day after the WHO decision, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency for the U.S. for the novel coronavirus and announced travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2. The policy prohibited non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S.

As we have written, Trump was wrong to call the policy a “travel ban” or to claim that he “closed up” all travel between the countries. There were exceptions, including for Americans and their family members and for trade. Trump also has repeatedly and misleadingly cast his decision to impose the travel restrictions as a “bold” move made “against the advice of almost everybody.” Azar said the decision stemmed from “the uniform recommendations of the career public health officials here at HHS.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-biden-spin-china-travel-restrictions/

Well, Trump did declare a national emergency on 1/31. According to your link, the emergency declaration and travel restrictions were made a day after the WHO announced a public health emergency. This goes against the narrative that Trump sat back and twiddled his thumbs.

 

[Trausti]

This crisis seems almost like a gift to Trump. He loses the great economy but in return is handed a situation where he works best. He got his wealth through real estate development. But what does a real estate developer do? Doesn't design the building. Doesn't build it either. The developer is the guy who gets disparate parties together - builder, finance, supply, regulation, etc - to complete the project. And the developer has to lie a lot, talk things up, to keep everyone on board. That's Trump's schtick.

Trump's schtick is also running companies into the ground, with a half-dozen bankruptcies under his belt. Let's hope that doesn't happen this time around, but it doesn't look good.

And he bounced back and became president. There's that.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

This crisis seems almost like a gift to Trump. He loses the great economy but in return is handed a situation where he works best. He got his wealth through real estate development. But what does a real estate developer do? Doesn't design the building. Doesn't build it either. The developer is the guy who gets disparate parties together - builder, finance, supply, regulation, etc - to complete the project. And the developer has to lie a lot, talk things up, to keep everyone on board. That's Trump's schtick.

Trump's schtick is also running companies into the ground, with a half-dozen bankruptcies under his belt. Let's hope that doesn't happen this time around, but it doesn't look good.

But I thought you guys hate companies who make big money? So shouldn't it be a good thing to you guys if Trump caused companies to stop existing?

The leftist worldview never seems to be consistent. You make fun of people who are extremely successful with their companies, such as Jeff Bezos, but then also make fun of people who couldn't make the money that Bezos does...

It's not inconsistent at all to rail against successful companies barely contributing to societal resources they consume, and also against someone who tried their hardest to do that but failed miserably.

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[Rhea]

Well, Trump did declare a national emergency on 1/31. According to your link, the emergency declaration and travel restrictions were made a day after the WHO announced a public health emergency. This goes against the narrative that Trump sat back and twiddled his thumbs.

What were the actions that his declaration of emergency triggered?

 

[Trausti]

Well, Trump did declare a national emergency on 1/31. According to your link, the emergency declaration and travel restrictions were made a day after the WHO announced a public health emergency. This goes against the narrative that Trump sat back and twiddled his thumbs.

What were the actions that his declaration of emergency triggered?

See

A public health emergency in the U.S. allows the government to tap additional resources to send to states, such as emergency funding and if necessary drugs or equipment from the national stockpile, and to suspend certain legal requirements.

 

[Rhea]

See

A public health emergency in the U.S. allows the government to tap additional resources to send to states, such as emergency funding and if necessary drugs or equipment from the national stockpile, and to suspend certain legal requirements.

Okay. Did he do any of these things at that time?
I know the declaration allows action. But did Trump actually trigger any action?
Did he do any meaningful action on that day?

 

[Trausti]

See

A public health emergency in the U.S. allows the government to tap additional resources to send to states, such as emergency funding and if necessary drugs or equipment from the national stockpile, and to suspend certain legal requirements.

Okay. Did he do any of these things at that time?
I know the declaration allows action. But did Trump actually trigger any action?
Did he do any meaningful action on that day?

I'd be interested in what some say he should have done more of on February 2 based on the knowledge available. The US had few cases and the WHO actually recommended against travel restrictions. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. But what were other Western countries doing at that time that the US should also have done? Genuinely curious. And with the understanding that the US is a federal republic with 50 semi-sovereign states. Public heath, historically and in practice, usually a state concern. 10th Amendment. The federal government is not front line, except at the ports. The federal government backs up the states.

 

[Elixir]

... you can't get the virus from touching surfaces or cardboard. That's just the fear mongering.

Thanks, professor. Always good to learn some microbiology from such an obviously well-learned individual.
But wait - aren't you the same expert who said: "by April we will be laughing going,
"Remember how everyone panicked over the coronavirus because the media started fear mongering?"

Why would you expect anyone to take any comfort from your reassurances, when you routinely echo The Trumpstupid, playing down the threat, even after your assertions are shown, by reality itself, to be absolute bullshit?

 

[Patooka]

No, he did not.



https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-biden-spin-china-travel-restrictions/

Well, Trump did declare a national emergency on 1/31. According to your link, the emergency declaration and travel restrictions were made a day after the WHO announced a public health emergency. This goes against the narrative that Trump sat back and twiddled his thumbs.

Okay, so he was only twiddling one thumb instead of both. And was trying to fingerbang the public throughout February and March deliberately contradicting advice from medical experts and gaslighting the living fuck out of the pandemic. That Trump was more decisive in sacking a naval captain who made him look bad than anything else he has done in this outbreak says all you need to know about his priorities.

 

[Trausti]

No, he did not.



https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-biden-spin-china-travel-restrictions/

Well, Trump did declare a national emergency on 1/31. According to your link, the emergency declaration and travel restrictions were made a day after the WHO announced a public health emergency. This goes against the narrative that Trump sat back and twiddled his thumbs.

Okay, so he was only twiddling one thumb instead of both. And was trying to fingerbang the public throughout February and March deliberately contradicting advice from medical experts and gaslighting the living fuck out of the pandemic. That Trump was more decisive in sacking a naval captain who made him look bad than anything else he has done in this outbreak says all you need to know about his priorities.

Uh, so, have you forgotten what the media and the entire Democratic leadership of New York City were saying at that time?

 

[Elixir]

But I thought you guys hate companies who make big money? So shouldn't it be a good thing to you guys if Trump caused companies to stop existing?

The leftist worldview never seems to be consistent. You make fun of people who are extremely successful with their companies, such as Jeff Bezos, but then also make fun of people who couldn't make the money that Bezos does...

It's not inconsistent at all to rail against successful companies barely contributing to societal resources they consume, and also against someone who tried their hardest to do that but failed miserably.

aa

But Trump's a JOB CREATOR!
Look at all the secret service jobs he has created. Hundreds of millions in golf expenses - what are cart mechanics supposed to do if he goes away? I mean, the list of jobs he has created goes on and on. And best of all, the grand sum of all the jobs he has created so far, will pale into insignificance when the scope of the job of cleaning up the mess he has made of this nation becomes apparent. It's hard to even imagine how many jobs that's going to create. We're going to owe him for years if not decades.