Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

[fromderinside]

Remember when AIDS came about and the "left-wing" said it was created by the CIA?

Sure don't.

Sure it was. Congo Inland Apes

HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo. This was probably as a result of chimps carrying the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV), a virus closely related to HIV, being hunted and eaten by people living in the area.

From: https://www.avert.org/professionals/history-hiv-aids/origin

 

[bilby]

To show the conspiracy. People were saying they didn't believe me when I said people thought the CIA brought crack into black communities to make them kill each other. It was even in the movie Boyz in the Hood.

"We don't have ships or factories. How did that stuff get into the black community? Not by us."

Your whataboutery argument concerning the CIA drug scandal was actually not supported by the article you linked to. Quite the opposite. But nobody should blame you for not reading it. The point was to avoid addressing the issue of the nutty right wing conspiracy theory about the COVID virus, point somewhere else, and say "What about this?" Besides, it was a long article that you would have had to read before posting it.

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

So fucking what?

Let us assume, ad argumentum that there are a vast number of totally batshit crazy conspiracy theories on "the left", all of which are completely nonsensical and stupid. How would that fact in any way change the degree to which the right wing conspiracy theory under consideration is both nonsensical and stupid?

The existence of other people who do something bad, stupid, wrong, or crazy in no way reduces the badness, stupidity, wrongness or craziness of something you do.

If you are charged with murder, I can very strongly recommend that you don't base your defence on saying to the jury "well other people have killed FAR more people than I have, so why aren't you trying them instead?"

 

[Patooka]

To show the conspiracy. People were saying they didn't believe me when I said people thought the CIA brought crack into black communities to make them kill each other. It was even in the movie Boyz in the Hood.

"We don't have ships or factories. How did that stuff get into the black community? Not by us."

Your whataboutery argument concerning the CIA drug scandal was actually not supported by the article you linked to. Quite the opposite. But nobody should blame you for not reading it. The point was to avoid addressing the issue of the nutty right wing conspiracy theory about the COVID virus, point somewhere else, and say "What about this?" Besides, it was a long article that you would have had to read before posting it.

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

This is the part where you explain how that has anything to do with you believing that China manufactured Covid-19 in a lab to infect the rest of the world. You're the one spouting this bullshit nonsense. Put up or shut up. When someone comes along and tries to tell me 9/11 was an inside job I'll say the same to them. But for the moment, you and only you are peddling this moronic nonsense in this thread.

 

[angelo]

As much as " Bonespurs" is hated by the left. The real blame should be sheeted home to where it belongs. With China and their mouthpiece WHO for hiding the pandemic for up to four weeks. Had the CPP not tried to sweep this under the carpet, perhaps up to 90% of the deaths could have been averted!

I suppose this is Bonespurs fault as well!

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/joble...&tpcc=nypbreaking&mpweb=755-8783575-720425075
Another 5.2 million Americans file for unemployment as crisis puts 22 million out of work

As has been pointed out to you before, so many times and likely many times to come, China fucking up does not absolve Trump of his fuckups. Heres another fun fact for you, China actually admitted it fucked up early in February:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51362336

When is the idiot man-child going to admit that he and his administration fucked up?

Did Obuma ever admit that the Iran nuclear deal and the shipping to this terrorist government of billions of dollars was a complete fuck up? What about his apologetic tour of the islamic world telling one and all of America's [according to him] perceived wrong doing thereby apologizing on behalf of the American people who had no say on the matter?

 

[angelo]

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

This is the part where you explain how that has anything to do with you believing that China manufactured Covid-19 in a lab to infect the rest of the world. You're the one spouting this bullshit nonsense. Put up or shut up. When someone comes along and tries to tell me 9/11 was an inside job I'll say the same to them. But for the moment, you and only you are peddling this moronic nonsense in this thread.

This UN org under it's present head has a long history of cover ups. Especially it's head himself.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15901/world-health-organization-cover-ups

"WHO officials have complained privately that Ethiopian officials are not telling the truth about these outbreaks. Testing for Vibrio cholerae bacteria, which cause cholera, is simple and takes less than two days.... United Nations officials said more aid could have been delivered to Ethiopia had the truth been told." — The New York Times, May 13, 2017.

Tedros dismissed the accusations against him by playing the race card. He said that criticism of him stemmed from a "typical colonial mind-set aimed at... discrediting a candidate from a developing country." — The New York Times, May 13, 2017.

"By yielding to the Khartoum's regime's threat, you are complicit in the failure to respond to a disease that currently threatens many hundreds of thousands of Sudanese civilians — and is currently active in twelve Sudanese states." — Open letter to Tedros from a group of American physicians accusing him of failing to investigate outbreaks of cholera in Sudan, September 11, 2017.

A day after U.S. President Donald Trump accused the WHO of being "very China-centric," and threatened to cut funding to WHO, Tedros responded: "Please quarantine politicizing COVID. We will have many body bags in front of us if we don't behave." Tedros also said that criticism of his handling of the coronavirus pandemic was motivated by racism.

 

[marc]

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

This is the part where you explain how that has anything to do with you believing that China manufactured Covid-19 in a lab to infect the rest of the world. You're the one spouting this bullshit nonsense. Put up or shut up. When someone comes along and tries to tell me 9/11 was an inside job I'll say the same to them. But for the moment, you and only you are peddling this moronic nonsense in this thread.

So the current right wing claim is it is a biological weapon... that only kills 1-6% ... and the best response to the biological weapon is to ignore it and go back to work...

 

[Ahab]

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

So fucking what?

Let us assume, ad argumentum that there are a vast number of totally batshit crazy conspiracy theories on "the left", all of which are completely nonsensical and stupid. How would that fact in any way change the degree to which the right wing conspiracy theory under consideration is both nonsensical and stupid?

The existence of other people who do something bad, stupid, wrong, or crazy in no way reduces the badness, stupidity, wrongness or craziness of something you do.

If you are charged with murder, I can very strongly recommend that you don't base your defence on saying to the jury "well other people have killed FAR more people than I have, so why aren't you trying them instead?"

Exactly. It is Kindergarten excuse making.

 

[Ahab]

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

This is the part where you explain how that has anything to do with you believing that China manufactured Covid-19 in a lab to infect the rest of the world. You're the one spouting this bullshit nonsense. Put up or shut up. When someone comes along and tries to tell me 9/11 was an inside job I'll say the same to them. But for the moment, you and only you are peddling this moronic nonsense in this thread.

So the current right wing claim is it is a biological weapon... that only kills 1-6% ... and the best response to the biological weapon is to ignore it and go back to work...

Crazy huh? It is amazing the shit Trump supporters will believe in in order to defend him.

 

[Elixir]

Exactly. It is Kindergarten excuse making.

It's also different in that the current alt-white conspiracy craziness includes a call to (stupid) action - actions that can and do endanger the rest of us.
It's relatively harmless to say "the evil Clintons and their emails killed Jeffrey Epstein", but blocking emergency traffic at hospitals is a whole other animal. People who organize these "protests" should be thrown into the COVID-19 cellblock of their local jail.

 

[Ahab]

As much as " Bonespurs" is hated by the left. The real blame should be sheeted home to where it belongs. With China and their mouthpiece WHO for hiding the pandemic for up to four weeks. Had the CPP not tried to sweep this under the carpet, perhaps up to 90% of the deaths could have been averted!

I suppose this is Bonespurs fault as well!

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/joble...&tpcc=nypbreaking&mpweb=755-8783575-720425075
Another 5.2 million Americans file for unemployment as crisis puts 22 million out of work

As has been pointed out to you before, so many times and likely many times to come, China fucking up does not absolve Trump of his fuckups. Heres another fun fact for you, China actually admitted it fucked up early in February:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51362336

When is the idiot man-child going to admit that he and his administration fucked up?

Did Obuma ever admit that the Iran nuclear deal and the shipping to this terrorist government of billions of dollars was a complete fuck up?

No need to apologize, that wasn't a fuck up. The fuck up was Trump pulling out of the nuclear deal.

And WTF different does it make whether or not Obama admitted fuckups? That still doesn't excuse Trump not acknowledging his.

Don't you guys get tired of acting like 5 year olds with your kindergarten excuses for Trump?

 

[Ahab]

Exactly. It is Kindergarten excuse making.

It's also different in that the current alt-white conspiracy craziness includes a call to (stupid) action - actions that can and do endanger the rest of us.
It's relatively harmless to say "the evil Clintons and their emails killed Jeffrey Epstein", but blocking emergency traffic at hospitals is a whole other animal.

Agree completely. And now we have Trump encouraging these protesters.

 

[Elixir]

Did Obuma ever admit that the Iran nuclear deal and the shipping to this terrorist government of billions of dollars was a complete fuck up?

No need to apologize, that wasn't a fuck up.

Correct. It was Iran's money that Obama RETURNED to the as part of a deal that kept Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and with which Iran complied until -

The fuck up was Trump pulling out of the nuclear deal.

... which caused Iran to resume development of nuclear weapons. MAGAMAGAMAGA

 

[funinspace]

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

So fucking what?

Let us assume, ad argumentum that there are a vast number of totally batshit crazy conspiracy theories on "the left", all of which are completely nonsensical and stupid. How would that fact in any way change the degree to which the right wing conspiracy theory under consideration is both nonsensical and stupid?

The existence of other people who do something bad, stupid, wrong, or crazy in no way reduces the badness, stupidity, wrongness or craziness of something you do.

If you are charged with murder, I can very strongly recommend that you don't base your defence on saying to the jury "well other people have killed FAR more people than I have, so why aren't you trying them instead?"

Exactly. It is Kindergarten excuse making.

Well it kind of makes sense as they are defending guy who's emotional development was arrested around age 13. But Clownstick is going to WIN BIGLY again, because Biden won't stoop so low and be juvenile like him. Ignore all the data, ignore all the trending, just post one's desires into a vacuum...

 

[crazyfingers]

If the Orange Buffoon could make himself useful for anything it would be to do his fucking job to get adequate testing up and running. But Trump and Pence just sit there and do squat.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Coronavirus Testing Needs to Triple Before the U.S. Can Reopen, Experts Say

By Keith CollinsApril 17, 2020

As some governors consider easing social distancing restrictions, new estimates by researchers at Harvard University suggest that the United States cannot safely reopen unless it conducts more than three times the number of coronavirus tests it is currently administering over the next month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...s-businesses-plead-more-federal-testing-help/

Amid the push to reopen, states and businesses plead for more federal testing help

With the number of the covid-19 tests hovering at an average of 146,000 a day, businesses leaders and state officials are warning the Trump administration that they cannot safely reopen the economy without radically increasing the number of available tests — perhaps into the millions a day — and that won’t happen without a greater coordinating role by the federal government.

Is this Trump's plan? Refuse increase testing? Force states to choose between continuing to wreck the economy or allow an additional several tens or hundreds of thousand of people needlessly die? And then blame the states for either outcome? Is he that evil?

In the meantime my mom is in an assisted living facility. They are trying to organize testing for residents and staff. But every single test still needs a doctors order because there is still not enough testing available!

When will Trump be 25th???? Or convicted of murder?

 

[Elixir]

Exactly. It is Kindergarten excuse making.

It's also different in that the current alt-white conspiracy craziness includes a call to (stupid) action - actions that can and do endanger the rest of us.
It's relatively harmless to say "the evil Clintons and their emails killed Jeffrey Epstein", but blocking emergency traffic at hospitals is a whole other animal.

Agree completely. And now we have Trump encouraging these protesters.

Yup. He's always on the side of TEH STOOPID, because he knows that stupidity is the prime indicator of someone who will vote for him.

 

[lpetrich]

Is this Trump's plan? Refuse increase testing? Force states to choose between continuing to wreck the economy or allow an additional several tens or hundreds of thousand of people needlessly die? And then blame the states for either outcome? Is he that evil?

Or are they going so because someone on Fox & Friends claimed that a massive increase of testing was unnecessary? That would have the effort of Trump believing it, something that I recall him recently claiming, and that would have the further effect of making increasing testing a low priority.

'Nothing to worry about' and 'it's being contained': How Trump officials downplayed the coronavirus - CNNPolitics
It's damning.

This is tRump's chief economic adviser Larry Kudlow:

The coronavirus, Kudlow said on February 25, was "contained."
"I won't say airtight, but pretty close to airtight," he said. Kudlow noted the stock market was "cheaper" implying investors could buy a dip in stocks, saying of coronavirus, "I don't think it's going to be an economic tragedy at all." He did add "it may be out there, I don't want to negate it."

Also

Even as the death toll continued to rise and the stock market continued to plunge as the virus spread, Trump officials confidently projected that the United States was either ahead of the curve in responding to the virus or that the risk to the average Americans was low and there would be minimal impact.

These comments came as some White House officials and intelligence agencies warned privately of a pandemic, saying it could claim millions of lives and inflict trillions in economic damage.

President Donald Trump echoed those comments himself, oscillating between claiming the virus was like a flu and would disappear miraculously to claiming that "maybe" the coronavirus improved US job numbers to blaming the media for overhyping the virus.

No mention of tRump calling the virus's pandemic potential a "hoax" for unseating him.

 

[KeepTalking]

As much as " Bonespurs" is hated by the left. The real blame should be sheeted home to where it belongs. With China and their mouthpiece WHO for hiding the pandemic for up to four weeks. Had the CPP not tried to sweep this under the carpet, perhaps up to 90% of the deaths could have been averted!

I suppose this is Bonespurs fault as well!

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/joble...&tpcc=nypbreaking&mpweb=755-8783575-720425075
Another 5.2 million Americans file for unemployment as crisis puts 22 million out of work

As has been pointed out to you before, so many times and likely many times to come, China fucking up does not absolve Trump of his fuckups. Heres another fun fact for you, China actually admitted it fucked up early in February:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51362336

When is the idiot man-child going to admit that he and his administration fucked up?

Did Obuma ever admit that the Iran nuclear deal and the shipping to this terrorist government of billions of dollars was a complete fuck up? What about his apologetic tour of the islamic world telling one and all of America's [according to him] perceived wrong doing thereby apologizing on behalf of the American people who had no say on the matter?

What the fuck does that have to do with a god damn thing I have said. Please try to stay on topic, and leave your pathetic "whataboutisms" at the door.

 

[Half-Life]

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

This is the part where you explain how that has anything to do with you believing that China manufactured Covid-19 in a lab to infect the rest of the world. You're the one spouting this bullshit nonsense. Put up or shut up. When someone comes along and tries to tell me 9/11 was an inside job I'll say the same to them. But for the moment, you and only you are peddling this moronic nonsense in this thread.

Wait, your evidence for the virus not starting in a lab in China is that "China said it didn't?"

Seriously? I'll ask again, WHY DO YOU GUYS TRUST A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT SO MUCH?

 

[KeepTalking]

A right-wing conspiracy theory. There is a significant lab in Hubei Province near the outbreak... therefore... conspiracy.

Call it a "right-wing" conspiracy theory if you want.

it is

Remember when AIDS came about and the "left-wing" said it was created by the CIA? Same thing with the crack epidemic. Leftists said, "The government brought it into the ghettos because black people didn't create it."

Sounds pretty crackpot. So how does it feel to be in the company of crackpot leftists conspiracy theorists?

Looks like conspiracies come from both sides.

Indeed. On the other hand, I count at least one or two right wing Trumpsuckers spouting conspiracy theories in this thread, and exactly 0 from left wing contributors. So why don't you deal with your own failings before talking about those of others who are not participating in this discussion.

 

[KeepTalking]

No, what I am saying is that both sides have their conspiracies.

Derec pointed this out. Anti-vaxxers are usually on the left. That's a left-wing conspiracy.

This is the part where you explain how that has anything to do with you believing that China manufactured Covid-19 in a lab to infect the rest of the world. You're the one spouting this bullshit nonsense. Put up or shut up. When someone comes along and tries to tell me 9/11 was an inside job I'll say the same to them. But for the moment, you and only you are peddling this moronic nonsense in this thread.

Wait, your evidence for the virus not starting in a lab in China is that "China said it didn't?"

Seriously? I'll ask again, WHY DO YOU GUYS TRUST A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT SO MUCH?

No, Patooka's evidence against the crackpot conspiracy theory is exactly the same as the your evidence in favor of the crackpot conspiracy theory, absolutely none. Guess which one of you has the burden of proof. Oh, wait, what am I asking, you don't even know what "burden of proof" means nor who holds it.