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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

dannyk said:
I really fear for what's happening in the US at the moment. Everything seems so divided and polarised. You are all one people and need to bring it together.
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The " ONE PEOPLE" mantra doesn't include the deplorables who didn't vote for Killery back in 2016, or those that support the Donald today in 2020!
 
angelo said:
dannyk said:
I really fear for what's happening in the US at the moment. Everything seems so divided and polarised. You are all one people and need to bring it together.
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The " ONE PEOPLE" mantra doesn't include the deplorables who didn't vote for Killery back in 2016, or those that support the Donald today in 2020!
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I disagree with that. That sounds like something Hillary or Donald would say. Not something American people should say.... in my opinion.
 
angelo said:
The " ONE PEOPLE" mantra doesn't include the deplorables who didn't vote for Killery back in 2016, or those that support the Donald today in 2020!
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What kind of moron supports the orange idiot today who didn't vote him in 2016?
You? (You're still not allowed to vote in the US elections AFAIK.)
Those who swallowed the Trump/Putin "Killery" story are less, not more likely to vote for him this time. Most of them can count the difference between 4 dead in BIN-GOZZY! and the tens (or hundreds by election day) of thousands Trump is responsible for killing in the last few months...

I might be underestimating

a) the power of the 2020 misinformation campaign, and/or
b) the stupidity of American voters.

The latter is very possible...

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Total Abdication of responsibility

(CNN)The simmering tension between President Donald Trump and the nation's governors over coronavirus testing has escalated as the two sides continue to tangle over whether the much-needed expansion of testing capacity is the responsibility of the states or the federal government.

Exasperated after a week in which industry leaders, governors, Democratic senators and even allies warned Trump and Vice President Mike Pence that the nation cannot get back to business-as-usual without a substantial increase in testing nationally, Trump faulted governors Saturday for not moving quickly enough to ramp up capacity in their states.
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As usual, on the one thing that is clearly the Federal Government's responsibility, Trump has failed and is blaming others. And it's not just Democratic Governors.

And governors on both sides of the aisle are increasingly disputing Trump's notion that testing should be their responsibility -- given that Trump's hope for an economic reopening will hinge on it.

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But when asked to fact check Trump's claim about the "excess capacity" for testing, Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said while that may be true, hospitals in his state are hamstrung by the fact that they do not have enough chemical reagent, the materials needed to conduct the tests.

"It's a supply chain production problem and that's really what is holding it back. If they had more reagent, they would be able to expand," DeWine told CNN's Erin Burnett on Friday night. He added that Ohio does not have enough of the nasal swabs, tubes and fluid to carry the tests -- all critical components in getting them done.

States without supplies

Republican Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker said the federal government must play an integral role in ramping up testing capacity.
"We are constantly talking to the players in the test community and the lab community about increasing capacity, but some of the work associated with increasing the capacity is going to require the CDC and the FDA to do more," Baker said Friday during his briefing.

He said he had spoken to numerous federal leaders about the need to increase funding for testing in the next federal stimulus package. "They absolutely, positively need to include in that significant resources for the CDC and the FDA to up their game, because they are a major player in establishing a far more significant testing capacity in the United States," Baker said.

Republican Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, who heads the National Governors' Association, said on NBC on Thursday that the lack of availability in testing has been "the No. 1 stumbling block in America."

"You really can't get to any point where you can reopen the country until -- not just in my state, but across the country -- we can do much much larger-scale testing of more people," Hogan said.
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On the lack of testing and rapid results, this is going to be the most catastrophic Trump failure and blame others dance that Trump can ever pull. He's doing his fail blame others dance at the expense of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of live along with delaying his much wanted opening of the economy.
 
dannyk said:
I really fear for what's happening in the US at the moment. Everything seems so divided and polarised. You are all one people and need to bring it together.
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Shouldn't fear too much, the odds are pretty high that we will be ejecting this Clownstick in 6 months. Cons only work for so long, and Don the Con's con is long worn for some of the people that were convinced to give him a chance. Add in the omens from our 2018 election, that coal isn't great again, that the US auto industry isn't great again, the opioid crisis still rages, and Trumpcare is Chumpcare, the huge tax cuts for the rich, demographic trends that are cutting away at the Repugs in general, a no longer roaring stock market (and it won't magically get 'great' again in 6 months, his record continual low approval ratings, that Clownstick is laughed at internationally, and now the emergent recession that the Dotard can't lie his way out of; and he is Proper Fucked.
 
crazyfingers said:
Toni said:
He is a bit stupid and his negligence is deliberate and malicious.
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So the consensus is that he is trying to get people killed so that he can blame the deaths and the rotten economy on democrats. I am coming around to believe that he really is that evil.
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A lot of right-wingers might be thinking "Good riddance!" when they see who is suffering the most from the virus.


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "There are a LOT of fake memes going around about the $1200 stimulus checks.
Just got asked about it in the elevator.
To clarify:
- You do NOT have to pay back your stimulus check next year.
- Your stimulus check is NOT taxable.
The stimulus is yours to keep. No takebacks ☺️" / Twitter

Has anyone here encountered any such thing?
 
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REPORTER: I wanted to ask you specifically about one industry in particular, and that’s food-processing plants. Is there a priority to get testing at food-processing plants all across the country?
TRUMP: "Well, you’re asking that because of what happened — it’s a fair question, too — what happened in Denver. Because in Denver, I’ve never seen — I said, “What’s going on?” We’re looking at this graph where everything’s looking beautiful and it’s coming down and then you got this one spike. It’s — I said, “What happened to Denver?”
And many people, very quickly, and they — by the way, they were on it like, so fast, you wouldn’t believe it. They knew every aspect. They had people go and — not only testing, “Who did you see? Where were you? How many people did you meet? Were you out to dinner in somebody else’s home? Where were you?” Where did — where did this number of people come from? How did — they are totally on it.
Now, this just happened. I just saw it this morning. I’m looking at everything smooth, going down, topping out. And then you have this one spike in Denver. It’s like, where did this come from?
So we’ll be looking at that. And we don’t want cases like that happening. This was — but this — this is the kind of thing can happen. This is very complex.
This is a very brilliant enemy. You know, it’s a brilliant enemy. They develop drugs like the antibiotics. You see it. Antibiotics used to solve every problem. Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it. And they’re constantly trying to come up with a new — people go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation — that’s no problem, but they end up dying from — from problems. You know the problems I’m talking about. There’s a whole genius to it.
We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart. Okay? It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s — it’s very smart. And you see that in a case like a Denver.
But, you know, I think we’re doing well, and they’re on Denver like you wouldn’t believe. I came in this morning; it was a flurry. I said what’s going on? They said, “Denver.” I said, “What happened to Denver?” Because Denver was doing pretty well. And they’ve got that under control. But, yeah, that would be a case where you do some very big testing."
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If you've made it this far, please keep in mind that the Smithfield meat processing plant that has become a COVID-19 hotspot, and precipitated the reporter's question, is in South Dakota, not Denver. And antibiotics have never solved viruses.
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We're totally fucked until we get this moron out of office.
 
Elixir said:
crazyfingers said:
Total Abdication of responsibility
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Absolutely. I prefer "dereliction of duty" because there are prescribed penalties for that.
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If the US was invaded by some foreign army, I can imagine Trump first arguing with the joint chiefs as to whether it's actually a problem, him firing them all and putting Jared in charge and then Trump saying that it's up to the states national guard to defend the country.
 
Just curious. In the last three months, has President Trump ever expressed sympathy or compassion towards any US victim of COVID-19, or their grieving families?
 
I must object to this thread, it's totally unfair. Babies shouldn't go into the ring against the heavyweights.
 
James Brown said:
Just curious. In the last three months, has President Trump ever expressed sympathy or compassion towards any US victim of COVID-19, or their grieving families?
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The only sympathy he has EVER displayed is when someone gets convicted for either
1) the same crimes that Trump commits
2) the crimes Tump committed
 
Presidential Historian Calls Donald Trump The Most Dangerously Ignorant President In History
Noting what he said:
PoliticusUSA on Twitter: ""I cannot think of a president off the top of my head who has so self-evidently failed to learn on the job," presidential historian Jon Meacham said on Saturday. #ctl #p2 #amjoy https://t.co/fVjgWBBooI" / Twitter

What he said:
One of the tragedies of the era is that the president manages to fulfill every time one’s preexisting view of him. There’s never been a president — not never. I cannot think of a president off the top of my head who has so self-evidently failed to learn on the job. Abraham Lincoln starts out saying he would protect slavery in southern states and ends up on January 1st, 1863 with the Emancipation Proclamation. John Kennedy screws up the Bay of Pigs in April of 1961. By October 1962 he manages the Cuban missile crisis. Ronald Reagan comes in talking about the Soviet Union as an evil empire. By May 1988 he’s literally in Red Square playing with babies. Right? So you have these moments in our history where presidents have challenged their bases, not simply coddled them, and learned from experience. And in this case, the president continues to simply coddle his base at a dangerous level and almost willfully doesn’t want to learn on the job.
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Back to the article.
In a healthy democracy, leaders of all political stripes would call for the immediate resignation of a president who spewed the dangerous rhetoric Donald Trump over the past couple of days. But this is 2020, and the GOP is fresh out of any patriotism and dignity they once had.
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Republican politicians seem very intent on protecting him no matter what.
 
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Nervous Nancy is an inherently “dumb” person. She wasted all of her time on the Impeachment Hoax. She will be overthrown, either by inside or out, just like her last time as “Speaker”. Wallace & @FoxNews are on a bad path, watch! https://t.co/nkEj5YeRjb" / Twitter

Trump Encourages Protest Against Governors Who Have Imposed Virus Restrictions - The New York Times - "The president’s stark departure from his message on Thursday night, when he announced guidelines for governors to reopen their states and said they would “call your own shots,” suggested he was ceding any semblance of national leadership on the pandemic."
Echoed across the internet and on cable television by conservative pundits and ultraright conspiracy theorists, his tweets were a remarkable example of a president egging on demonstrators and helping to stoke an angry fervor that in its anti-government rhetoric was eerily reminiscent of the birth of the Tea Party movement a decade ago.
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then
Peter Baker on Twitter: "Openly supporting those who challenge the stay-at-home orders could help the president re-energize the coalition of conservative Republicans and working-class populists who fueled his 2016 victory. ⁦@shearm⁩ ⁦@smervosh⁩ https://t.co/baFDkYFkjn" / Twitter
then
Amanda Marcotte on Twitter: "Also it could get people killed without actually fixing the economy, but details, details. https://t.co/2fXANb38ZI" / Twitter
 
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