Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

[Loren Pechtel]

No. A crashed economy hurts a sociopath. A sociopath would favor doing nothing about the pandemic, letting people die.



Neither Biden nor Bernie are doctors or epidemiologists. They're doing what they should--leaving it to the experts. His Flatulence is muzzling the experts and spouting garbage instead.

And he's not trying to address the pandemic, he's after the same thing the right wing has been after all along--the sociopath response of letting people die.

You know, I've asked leftists before about what people do in a communist/socialist society if they refuse to work. You know what they said? "Then they starve and die."

It appears this mentality is prevalent in all systems. You can't just reward people for not working. NOBODY WOULD WORK, THEN! IT'S OBVIOUS!

I see--you think it's more important to force people to work than to save their lives.

 

[bilby]

No. A crashed economy hurts a sociopath. A sociopath would favor doing nothing about the pandemic, letting people die.



Neither Biden nor Bernie are doctors or epidemiologists. They're doing what they should--leaving it to the experts. His Flatulence is muzzling the experts and spouting garbage instead.

And he's not trying to address the pandemic, he's after the same thing the right wing has been after all along--the sociopath response of letting people die.

You know, I've asked leftists before about what people do in a communist/socialist society if they refuse to work. You know what they said? "Then they starve and die."

It appears this mentality is prevalent in all systems. You can't just reward people for not working. NOBODY WOULD WORK, THEN! IT'S OBVIOUS!

It may be OBVIOUS, but it's not actually true.

There are two large classes of people in society who have food, shelter, and even luxuries provided to them without them doing any work at all - children, and retirees. Both groups contain very large numbers of individuals who choose to work, despite the fact that they don't need to do so in order to have the things they need to live comfortable lives.

Some work because they want further luxuries. Some because they enjoy working. Some even do volunteer work, that pays nothing at all.

Your foundational premise is simply wrong. People don't need to be forced under threat of starvation or homelessness in order to get them to work.

 

[Half-Life]

I see--you think it's more important to force people to work than to save their lives.

Answer me this:

Why are restaurant owners, bar owners, and other businesses owners screaming to re-open as soon as possible?

Why aren't they content with not working, like you say they should be? Do they just have a death wish? Or maybe...just maybe....they need money?

 

[Rhea]

It's an interesting phenomena that some business owners are wanting to go back to work with no restrictions.

A large number of people in America - about 20% - think there is no danger from this disease. The protesters are an even smaller percent, they are less than 1/100th of 1 percent. They are typically people who believe and worship everything Trump says. So these people want to open up. It's not because they are desperate for money, per se, but because they don't see the danger at all.


Other people do see the danger and are forced by either their own morals (medical personnel, many servers and janitors and more) or by financial circumstance (they will be fired if they stay home).

Some people see this as a binary decision. But the rest of the world realizes that this is where governments can step in to use the whole society to get past the virus faster. By supporting those who need funds to stay afloat.

For some reason, it seems the protester group doesn't mind so much if the public dole is used to prop up billionaires. Even though they clearly do not not need it. But they balk and falsely call it "communism" if it is the worker who is helped through the crisis.




At any rate - main point - the people who want to open up so badly are a small minority of Americans who show a lack of understanding of the disease.

 

[Half-Life]

Fox News was just talking about how the media spreads lie after lie about Trump and they have to keep setting the record straight. They said "It's like a kid going from room to room making a mess in your house and the parents are going room to room to clean up after the kid. The media are like children."

"The media is silent on Joe Biden's sexual assault allegations when they don't ignore any of Trump's allegations. The lesson is that the media will protect you if they like you and destroy you if they hate you." - Greg Gutfeld

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The context was that disinfectants kills the virus in around a minute. On hard surfaces. It would be great if something similar could be applied to the internals of a human body to cure the infection, not for people to ingest Dettol. Not in those exact words, but that's what the Trump meant!

Perhaps the Dems, as well as you lot would be better off if you went back to the Russian collusion hoax and the impeachment proceedings?

It's still utter stupidity.

Can we please accord a modicum of respect to the word "stupidity" by not associating it with Trumpo and his ilk? Sheesh! The word originally came to us meaning to be amazed or stunned, as in "stupefied." Trumpo and his ilk are never stupified. Can't we just call them "ignorami?"

 

[bilby]

Fox News was just talking about how the media spreads lie after lie about Trump and they have to keep setting the record straight. They said "It's like a kid going from room to room making a mess in your house and the parents are going room to room to clean up after the kid. The media are like children."

"The media is silent on Joe Biden's sexual assault allegations when they don't ignore any of Trump's allegations. The lesson is that the media will protect you if they like you and destroy you if they hate you." - Greg Gutfeld

What on Earth makes you imagine that anyone here gives two shits what the fuckwits at Fox News are misleading you about today?

We know you believe their bullshit. How is it that you could possibly still think that we might come to believe it too?

They are systematically attempting to distort reality to promote opinions that are simply wrong. Your presentation of this example of their propagandist nonsense is utterly valueless.

Their claim isn't even wrong - it contains no solid assertion at all; Just a vague appeal to emotion designed to maintain a distrust of "the media" (which apparently doesn't include Fox News) amongst people who already distrusted "the media".

Trump's problem is that those of us who think him an incompetent moron don't do so based on what "the media" tell us; We do so based on what Trump himself tells us. There's zero need for MSNBC or PBS to invent things that make Trump look stupid, because Trump's twitter feed already does an excellent job of that. There's no "media" filter on a live broadcast of a press conference, speech, or Presidential address. Trump looks like a total incompetent in those fora with no assistance from anyone else.

You are being systematically lied to. And many of the lies are easily exposed as lies. Yet you cling to them like a drowning man. It's pathetic.

 

[J842P]

Fox News was just talking about how the media spreads lie after lie about Trump and they have to keep setting the record straight. They said "It's like a kid going from room to room making a mess in your house and the parents are going room to room to clean up after the kid. The media are like children."

"The media is silent on Joe Biden's sexual assault allegations when they don't ignore any of Trump's allegations. The lesson is that the media will protect you if they like you and destroy you if they hate you." - Greg Gutfeld

What on Earth makes you imagine that anyone here gives two shits what the fuckwits at Fox News are misleading you about today?

We know you believe their bullshit. How is it that you could possibly still think that we might come to believe it too?

They are systematically attempting to distort reality to promote opinions that are simply wrong. Your presentation of this example of their propagandist nonsense is utterly valueless.

Their claim isn't even wrong - it contains no solid assertion at all; Just a vague appeal to emotion designed to maintain a distrust of "the media" (which apparently doesn't include Fox News) amongst people who already distrusted "the media".

Trump's problem is that those of us who think him an incompetent moron don't do so based on what "the media" tell us; We do so based on what Trump himself tells us. There's zero need for MSNBC or PBS to invent things that make Trump look stupid, because Trump's twitter feed already does an excellent job of that. There's no "media" filter on a live broadcast of a press conference, speech, or Presidential address. Trump looks like a total incompetent in those fora with no assistance from anyone else.

You are being systematically lied to. And many of the lies are easily exposed as lies. Yet you cling to them like a drowning man. It's pathetic.

Yes, this is the hilarious thing, as if anyone really needed the mainstream cable networks to see that Trump is a lying buffoon. Indeed, outlets like CNN and MSNBC probably give too much credit to Trump. The man is clearly a moron, anyone and everyone on the right and left who isn't a moron can see this and does see this. Even some of his most ardent supporters, like Ann Coulter, will admit the man is an ignoramus.

 

[Half-Life]

Fox News was just talking about how the media spreads lie after lie about Trump and they have to keep setting the record straight. They said "It's like a kid going from room to room making a mess in your house and the parents are going room to room to clean up after the kid. The media are like children."

"The media is silent on Joe Biden's sexual assault allegations when they don't ignore any of Trump's allegations. The lesson is that the media will protect you if they like you and destroy you if they hate you." - Greg Gutfeld

What on Earth makes you imagine that anyone here gives two shits what the fuckwits at Fox News are misleading you about today?

We know you believe their bullshit. How is it that you could possibly still think that we might come to believe it too?

They are systematically attempting to distort reality to promote opinions that are simply wrong. Your presentation of this example of their propagandist nonsense is utterly valueless.

Their claim isn't even wrong - it contains no solid assertion at all; Just a vague appeal to emotion designed to maintain a distrust of "the media" (which apparently doesn't include Fox News) amongst people who already distrusted "the media".

Trump's problem is that those of us who think him an incompetent moron don't do so based on what "the media" tell us; We do so based on what Trump himself tells us. There's zero need for MSNBC or PBS to invent things that make Trump look stupid, because Trump's twitter feed already does an excellent job of that. There's no "media" filter on a live broadcast of a press conference, speech, or Presidential address. Trump looks like a total incompetent in those fora with no assistance from anyone else.

You are being systematically lied to. And many of the lies are easily exposed as lies. Yet you cling to them like a drowning man. It's pathetic.

The point went right over your head!

What did the media do about Trump's sexual assault allegations? They complained day after day about it and brought it up constantly.

What do they do about Joe Biden's sexual assault allegations? NOTHING. SILENCE. That's the problem!

The media protects Biden because they like him. They hate Trump so they bring it up every chance they get.

And this point still remains unanswered: All the Bernie supporters also complained that the media treated Bernie unfairly and made up "Fake News" about Bernie. Why is it OK for the Bernie Bros. to complain about the media but not Trump and his supporters??

 

[Half-Life]

Yes, this is the hilarious thing, as if anyone really needed the mainstream cable networks to see that Trump is a lying buffoon. Indeed, outlets like CNN and MSNBC probably give too much credit to Trump. The man is clearly a moron, anyone and everyone on the right and left who isn't a moron can see this and does see this. Even some of his most ardent supporters, like Ann Coulter, will admit the man is an ignoramus.

But you guys only agree with conservatives when they agree with what you say. Is that fair?

Sort of like how you only agree with Christians if they openly support gays and trans people. You call them "good christians." But the only "good Christians" are the ones who agree with you atheists about certain things.

 

[Half-Life]

Trump squashed more propaganda. A reporter just asked him, "Joe Biden said you might change the election date. Is that true?" And Trump said, "No, why would I do that? It's November 3, that's a good number. That's propaganda made up by his side."

Do you guys ever get tired of this nonsense?

 

[James Brown]

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegations site:cnn.com ===> About 2,280 results

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegations site:nytimes.com ===> About 2,710 results

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegation site:washingtonpost.com ===> About 1,550 results



Meanwhile:

Fox to Address Coronavirus Crisis with Three-Part Series on Hunter Biden

 

[Half-Life]

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegations site:cnn.com ===> About 2,280 results

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegations site:nytimes.com ===> About 2,710 results

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegation site:washingtonpost.com ===> About 1,550 results



Meanwhile:

Fox to Address Coronavirus Crisis with Three-Part Series on Hunter Biden

Yep, I don't see any articles there calling him unfit for the Presidency, a terrible man, a disgusting man, etc etc etc.

They do that for Trump, though.

You guys are being deliberately obtuse.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyBCr90smyc[/youtube]

See? Why is Pelosi so quick to believe Joe and not slander him the way she did for Trump's?

That was another point by Fox News. "Kavanaugh's accuser was believed right away by the media. No hesitation. Biden's accuser? Well, the media says, "Let's not rush into things."

LOL!

 

[zorq]

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegations site:cnn.com ===> About 2,280 results

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegations site:nytimes.com ===> About 2,710 results

Joe Biden sexual harassment allegation site:washingtonpost.com ===> About 1,550 results



Meanwhile:

Fox to Address Coronavirus Crisis with Three-Part Series on Hunter Biden

Yep, I don't see any articles there calling him unfit for the Presidency, a terrible man, a disgusting man, etc etc etc.

They do that for Trump, though.

You guys are being deliberately obtuse.

I actually read an article on CNN.com just the other day detailing the struggle some voters have with Biden because of the accusations against him. Meanwhile how do you suppose Biden's one accusation of sexual abuse should stack up against Trump's 63 accusations some of which include physical rape? Maybe they stack up enough when combined with his other numerous reprehensible personality traits that a typical moral person might call him a terrible disgusting man? Afterall, you can't separate Trump's sexual abuse accusations from his blatant narcisism, compulsive lying, racism, mysogeny, adultery, greed and corruption. They all combine to make him terrible and disgusting.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyBCr90smyc[/youtube]

See? Why is Pelosi so quick to believe Joe and not slander him the way she did for Trump's?

That was another point by Fox News. "Kavanaugh's accuser was believed right away by the media. No hesitation. Biden's accuser? Well, the media says, "Let's not rush into things."

LOL!

First of all LOL that you think Nancy Pelosi is part of the "media."

I suppose you are going to point out all a Right wing media who remained consistent in condemning/absolving both Biden and Kavanaugh of the accusations against them? I didn't think so.

Your statement here doesn't even reflect reality. Most of the media doesn't pass judgement. They just report on what is happening. Clearly, you have been proven wrong that main stream media IS talking about Biden' sexual abuse accusation. Just as they were talking about Kavanaugh's.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yep, I don't see any articles there calling him unfit for the Presidency, a terrible man, a disgusting man, etc etc etc.

They do that for Trump, though.

What are you complaining about. It was just sarcasm.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yep, I don't see any articles there calling him unfit for the Presidency, a terrible man, a disgusting man, etc etc etc.

They do that for Trump, though.

What are you complaining about. It was just sarcasm.

Halfie reviewed 6470 or so articles in an hour and a half?
But he canmot tell the difference between a NEWS STORY and an opinion piece?
A SURVEY or a study?
A news anchor or a news maker?

Fascinating.

 

[lpetrich]

AOC voted against it because she didn't like how it did not do enough, despite everybody being dragged into session to vote on it. Sort of like Jeannette Rankin voting against entry into both WWI and WWII - it cost her re-election both times.

Enemy of the good: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes the wrong choice - New York Daily News
then
Lawmakers apprehensive about returning to Capitol: ‘People are still scared’ Lawmakers apprehensive about returning to Capitol: ‘People are still scared’

The bill itself: H.R.266 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
The vote on it: Final Vote Results for Roll Call 104 - yes: 388, no: 5, present: 1

AOC's district, NY-14, contain some of the hardest-hit areas in the US. The four others who joined her, Andy Biggs (R-AZ-05), Ken Buck (R-CO-04), Jody Hice (R-GA-10), and Thomas Massie (R-KY-04) are Republicans who come from much less affected areas. The one who voted present was Justin Amash (I-MI-03).

But that has not stopped AOC:

Elizabeth Warren on Twitter: "I’ll be joining @AOC live on Instagram at 2:30pm ET to talk more about how Congress needs to pass an Essential Workers Bill of Rights and how we must all #StandWithEssentialWorkers—today and every day." / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The best way to thank our essential workers is to guarantee them:
living wages
paid sick leave
hazard pay
labor protections
healthcare, childcare, & more
Join @ewarren and I on IG Live in 10 mins to rally for an Essential Workers Bill of Rights! " / Twitter

It was something of a lovefest between the two.

 

[lpetrich]

The most recent bill's predecessor:
H.R.748 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): CARES Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
S.3548 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): CARES Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Over 20 million people have lost their jobs since COVID-19 hit the US.
Not one deserves to be frightened about eviction or foreclosure during a pandemic.
Join us in 10 mins w/ @housing4allNY talking abt how to organize for housing justice during COVID-19." / Twitter
https://t.co/nCGzf8hHnF

Molly Crabapple on Twitter: ". @aoc and @JasminSanchezNY are doing a passionate, smart as hell town hall on #CancelRent" / Twitter
https://t.co/FIsBfJ8QpR

Molly Crabapple on Twitter: "“Governor Cuomo, we want you to cancel rent and mortgages. We cannot pay except with our blood and how much blood do we have to give? ... Zero minus zero equals zero. We have nada, nothing zilch left to give”
-Winsome Pendergrass @nychange" / Twitter

Unemployment insurance: Filing for coronavirus benefits has been a nightmare for many - Vox - "With 22 million people trying to get unemployment at once, the system is overwhelmed."


Donald Trump is driving Birx to a tough spot. It's about to get even tougher. - CNNPolitics

The coronavirus task force official has been caught in an unenviable spot, juggling her public health mission and reputation with the need to stay in the good graces of Trump, who has shown both a penchant for touting unproven therapies and a willingness to show his critics the exit.

Birx, a physician and diplomat, came under scrutiny Thursday when she failed, in real time, to correct Trump's assertion at the White House briefing that injecting disinfectant into the body might combat the virus. She further compromised her science focus Sunday by defending the President's remark on CNN as an example of the way he processes information aloud.

But Birx is facing what may become an even more difficult challenge to her credibility in the weeks ahead: the gap between the insufficient level of coronavirus testing -- a lynchpin to opening the economy -- and the federal government's failure to put a viable testing infrastructure and guidelines in place.

She'll have to risk being sent to the cornfield.

 

[lpetrich]

1.  Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2020 - March 6, 2020 - H.R.6074 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2020 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
2.  Families First Coronavirus Response Act - March 18, 2020 - H.R.6201 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Families First Coronavirus Response Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
3.  Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act - March 27, 2020 - H.R.748 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): CARES Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
4.  Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act - April 24, 2020 - H.R.266 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

AOC voted for the first three of the bills, even if not the fourth one.

Congress is gearing up for the next relief bill.

Tim Ryan tells us about COVID-19 stimulus plan to help working class - Business Insider

• Rep. Tim Ryan, a moderate Democrat from Ohio, told Business Insider that Democrats need to be bold and include more aggressive stimulus measures in their next response to the pandemic.
• "I want everybody to say, 'Look, Democrats understood what I was going through, and they pushed hard,'" Ryan said in an interview. "Let Mitch McConnell say no to it."
• Ryan's frustrations seem to be shared by more progressive members of the Democratic caucus, such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who voted against the most recent stimulus measure, saying it did not do enough for working families.
• "By giving Republicans what they wanted in [that] bill without extracting any real concessions from them, we eliminated any incentive for them to work with us on these other urgent needs," a spokesperson for Ocasio-Cortez told Business Insider.

Why AOC voted against it, though she voted for its three predecessors.

Her office argued that it benefited far too many bankers, with the government's lending assistance program raking in $10 billion in fees for Wall Street, according to NPR.

"This bill also didn't provide funding for any of the other urgent needs facing Americans, like hazard for our frontline workers or health insurance for those who have lost their employer-sponsored health plans," a spokesperson for Ocasio-Cortez told Business Insider. "And by giving Republicans what they wanted in this bill without extracting any real concessions from them, we eliminated any incentive for them to work with us on these other urgent needs."

 

[lpetrich]

Mitch McConnell's pandemic response plan is a standard Republican wish list.

“The Senate must focus on concrete steps to strengthen our response to this complex crisis,” McConnell said in a statement. “We cannot get distracted by pre-existing partisan wish-lists or calls to paper over decades of reckless decisions that had nothing to do with COVID-19.” He added, for emphasis, that “the American people do not need tangential left-wing daydreams.”

The times are much too serious for legislative bodies to consider such tangential, left-wing preexisting wishes such as increasing food assistance during an economic crisis or improving states’ vote-by-mail infrastructure during a public health crisis. That’s why the two positions that McConnell has so far laid out are stripped of any ideology whatsoever: decimating blue-state governments and protecting employers against lawsuits.

McConnell has made known his hostility toward additional spending on state and local government assistance, the issue that Democrats intend to make the focal point of the next relief legislation.

While "the American people" *love* tangential right-wing daydreams, of course.

House and Senate on collision course over coronavirus response as leaders map out conflicting agendas - The Washington Post

“We may have to think in terms of some different ways to put money in people’s pockets,” Pelosi said on MSNBC. “Others have suggested a minimum income, a guaranteed income for people. Is that worthy of attention now? Perhaps so.”

...
A number of Democrats in the House and Senate have advanced proposals that would ensure a guaranteed paycheck for workers impacted by the coronavirus. These include a plan by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), co-chair of the Progressive Caucus, that would create a three-month federal guarantee for 100 percent of worker salaries of up to $100,000. Pelosi’s comments suggested she was open to such an approach.

McConnell’s statement, by contrast, endorsed some type of a “liability shield” that would prevent businesses from being sued by customers who contract the coronavirus, an idea that has been under consideration at the White House.

...
But lawmakers in both parties anticipate that reaching agreement on the next bill will be much harder, as Democrats push for even more aggressive spending while McConnell has said repeatedly he wants to push the “pause button” on any more big spending bills for now.

...
But Democrats’ push for another big bill that would answer governors’ call for money to prop up their battered budgets is running into growing resistance from McConnell and other Republicans who say it’s not their job to help out states that were mismanaged long before the coronavirus surfaced.

President Trump has indicated growing sympathy toward that viewpoint, writing Monday on Twitter: “Why should the people and taxpayers of America be bailing out poorly run states (like Illinois, as example) and cities, in all cases Democrat run and managed, when most of the other states are not looking for bailout help? I am open to discussing anything, but just asking?”

Let's see how much the Democrats try to get into their bill. Not just that, but also stuff like rent and mortgage cancellation, voting by mail, etc. The Democrats might not get everything, but they should load up with a *lot* of stuff, so they can have more bargaining leverage. Obama-style compromising in advance is not a good policy.