Trump's Executive Order Calls for Concentration Camps for Undocumented Immigrants

[SLD]

Well, OK, he's calling them detention facilities. But that's exactly what they are, Concentration camps. Maybe no gas chambers, but hey, Hitler didn't start out with them either. But by the end of his first year there were something like 50 "detention facilities" for those he deemed unacceptable.

The Secretary [of Homeland Security] shall take all appropriate action and allocate all legally available resources to immediately construct, operate, control, or establish contracts to construct, operate or control facilities to detain aliens at or near the border with Mexico.

What a fucking fucktard we've elected. Fuck him. If he does this, I hope ordinary citizens stand up and stop this bullshit.

SLD

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Well, OK, he's calling them detention facilities. But that's exactly what they are, Concentration camps. Maybe no gas chambers, but hey, Hitler didn't start out with them either. But by the end of his first year there were something like 50 "detention facilities" for those he deemed unacceptable.

The Secretary [of Homeland Security] shall take all appropriate action and allocate all legally available resources to immediately construct, operate, control, or establish contracts to construct, operate or control facilities to detain aliens at or near the border with Mexico.

What a fucking fucktard we've elected. Fuck him. If he does this, I hope ordinary citizens stand up and stop this bullshit.

SLD

It's not FEMA so it is okay!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In his defense, if you are planning to deport a million people, you need to house them before put in a catapult and flung over our yuuuuuuuge wall. You can't use existing prisons, schools, arenas, Trump Hotels.

Of course, I think the bigger issue isn't housing, it is courthouses. Doesn't there need to be a hearing?

 

[Trausti]

The previous administration's policy of "catch and release" was a laughable failure. This just ensures that when illegals are given a hearing date - they actually show up.

Garcia, the shelter director, acknowledged that if Trump was finally successful in opening thousands more detention spaces for families, that would slow the numbers coming.

"The word would spread that the probability they will be locked up and put on a plane had become much higher," Garcia said. Central Americans are usually deported from the United States on flights back to their home countries.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mexico-immigration-idUSKBN15A2WE

But, by all means, continue with the Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

In before, Obama was going to put white christian men in FEMA camps until Tea Party patriots stopped him by announcing it online. So Democrats are just as bad.

 

[Shadowy Man]

How near is "near"?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Well, OK, he's calling them detention facilities. But that's exactly what they are, Concentration camps. Maybe no gas chambers, but hey, Hitler didn't start out with them either. But by the end of his first year there were something like 50 "detention facilities" for those he deemed unacceptable.

The Secretary [of Homeland Security] shall take all appropriate action and allocate all legally available resources to immediately construct, operate, control, or establish contracts to construct, operate or control facilities to detain aliens at or near the border with Mexico.

What a fucking fucktard we've elected. Fuck him. If he does this, I hope ordinary citizens stand up and stop this bullshit.

SLD

Undocumented migrants is the politically correct term for illegal immigrants because they don't have the correct documents.
A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp. I can define if possible.

It makes sense to place illegal entrants into detention centres. This at least gives them food and accommodation but can't disappear before their case has been evaluated.
If people try to enter the USA illegally per USA laws then the USA has a right to turn them back or detain them in a detention centre. Most non-Western countries give entrants the boot at immigration.Those found in the country are regarded as illegals.



There is also a wide difference between a detention centre where such people will get processes so they don't disappear in the process and a concentration camp where political or other minorities are jailed in cramped facilities that sometimes provide forced labour while waiting for execution.

 

[bilby]

Well, OK, he's calling them detention facilities. But that's exactly what they are, Concentration camps. Maybe no gas chambers, but hey, Hitler didn't start out with them either. But by the end of his first year there were something like 50 "detention facilities" for those he deemed unacceptable.



What a fucking fucktard we've elected. Fuck him. If he does this, I hope ordinary citizens stand up and stop this bullshit.

SLD

Undocumented migrants is the politically correct term for illegal immigrants because they don't have the correct documents.
A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp. I can define if possible.

It makes sense to place illegal entrants into detention centres. This at least gives them food and accommodation but can't disappear before their case has been evaluated.
If people try to enter the USA illegally per USA laws then the USA has a right to turn them back or detain them in a detention centre. Most non-Western countries give entrants the boot at immigration.Those found in the country are regarded as illegals.



There is also a wide difference between a detention centre where such people will get processes so they don't disappear in the process and a concentration camp where political or other minorities are jailed in cramped facilities that sometimes provide forced labour while waiting for execution.

Joseph Goebbels would have loved you.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Undocumented migrants is the politically correct term for illegal immigrants because they don't have the correct documents.
A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp. I can define if possible.

It makes sense to place illegal entrants into detention centres. This at least gives them food and accommodation but can't disappear before their case has been evaluated.
If people try to enter the USA illegally per USA laws then the USA has a right to turn them back or detain them in a detention centre. Most non-Western countries give entrants the boot at immigration.Those found in the country are regarded as illegals.



There is also a wide difference between a detention centre where such people will get processes so they don't disappear in the process and a concentration camp where political or other minorities are jailed in cramped facilities that sometimes provide forced labour while waiting for execution.

Joseph Goebbels would have loved you.

What for defining these terms as given in the dictionary?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

In his defense, if you are planning to deport a million people, you need to house them before put in a catapult and flung over our yuuuuuuuge wall. You can't use existing prisons, schools, arenas, Trump Hotels.

Of course, I think the bigger issue isn't housing, it is courthouses. Doesn't there need to be a hearing?

Why can't they be put up in Trump hotels? Just jack up the price of the rooms 1000% and have the government pay the bills.

 

[bilby]

Joseph Goebbels would have loved you.

What for defining these terms as given in the dictionary?

No, for your attention to spin. "A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp." lovely. It would be a shame if someone was to point out that a concentration camp, by definition, is a detention centre. That wouldn't fit your narrative at all.

And for your devotion to treating criticism of your ugliest claims - "It makes sense to place illegal entrants into detention centres." - as though it were criticism of the less important parts of your statements - "A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp.". A lovely bit of misdirection, that is. Herr Goebbels himself could barely have done better.

For the record, it doesn't even make sense to worry much about immigrants of any kind; Nor does it make sense to divide them into 'legal' vs 'illegal'. And it most assuredly does make sense to let people be free, unless and until you have reason to believe that they pose a danger to others, or they have been convicted of a crime in a court of law.

 

[whichphilosophy]

What for defining these terms as given in the dictionary?

No, for your attention to spin. "A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp." lovely. It would be a shame if someone was to point out that a concentration camp, by definition, is a detention centre. That wouldn't fit your narrative at all.

And for your devotion to treating criticism of your ugliest claims - "It makes sense to place illegal entrants into detention centres." - as though it were criticism of the less important parts of your statements - "A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp.". A lovely bit of misdirection, that is. Herr Goebbels himself could barely have done better.

For the record, it doesn't even make sense to worry much about immigrants of any kind; Nor does it make sense to divide them into 'legal' vs 'illegal'. And it most assuredly does make sense to let people be free, unless and until you have reason to believe that they pose a danger to others, or they have been convicted of a crime in a court of law.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/concentration_camp
A place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labour or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/detention_centre
An institution for the short-term detention of illegal immigrants, refugees, people awaiting trial or sentence, or (formerly in the UK) young offenders.

In reality Detention centres are extended as follows:

http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/immigration-removal-detention-centres
Immigration removal centres are holding centres for foreign nationals awaiting decisions on their asylum claims or awaiting deportation following a failed application.

Previously known as 'detention centres', the name was formally changed to 'removal centres' under the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 to "reflect the part played by detention in the removal of failed asylum-seekers and others".

There is a difference between legal and illegal migrant and every country has a right to distinguish between the 2. Obama and Trump know the difference and are concerned about security. Obama and Trump have both taken action on this in the past.

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In his defense, if you are planning to deport a million people, you need to house them before put in a catapult and flung over our yuuuuuuuge wall. You can't use existing prisons, schools, arenas, Trump Hotels.

Of course, I think the bigger issue isn't housing, it is courthouses. Doesn't there need to be a hearing?

Why can't they be put up in Trump hotels? Just jack up the price of the rooms 1000% and have the government pay the bills.

We only do things like that in Britain (true).

 

[bilby]

No, for your attention to spin. "A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp." lovely. It would be a shame if someone was to point out that a concentration camp, by definition, is a detention centre. That wouldn't fit your narrative at all.

And for your devotion to treating criticism of your ugliest claims - "It makes sense to place illegal entrants into detention centres." - as though it were criticism of the less important parts of your statements - "A detention centre by definition is not a concentration camp.". A lovely bit of misdirection, that is. Herr Goebbels himself could barely have done better.

For the record, it doesn't even make sense to worry much about immigrants of any kind; Nor does it make sense to divide them into 'legal' vs 'illegal'. And it most assuredly does make sense to let people be free, unless and until you have reason to believe that they pose a danger to others, or they have been convicted of a crime in a court of law.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/concentration_camp
A place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labour or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/detention_centre
An institution for the short-term detention of illegal immigrants, refugees, people awaiting trial or sentence, or (formerly in the UK) young offenders.

In reality Detention centres are extended as follows:

http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/immigration-removal-detention-centres
Immigration removal centres are holding centres for foreign nationals awaiting decisions on their asylum claims or awaiting deportation following a failed application.

Previously known as 'detention centres', the name was formally changed to 'removal centres' under the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 to "reflect the part played by detention in the removal of failed asylum-seekers and others".

There is a difference between legal and illegal migrant and every country has a right to distinguish between the 2. Obama and Trump know the difference and are concerned about security. Obama and Trump have both taken action on this in the past.

- - - Updated - - -

In his defense, if you are planning to deport a million people, you need to house them before put in a catapult and flung over our yuuuuuuuge wall. You can't use existing prisons, schools, arenas, Trump Hotels.

Of course, I think the bigger issue isn't housing, it is courthouses. Doesn't there need to be a hearing?

Why can't they be put up in Trump hotels? Just jack up the price of the rooms 1000% and have the government pay the bills.

We only do things like that in Britain (true).

Your continued devotion to misdirection is, I am sure, a cause for great joy amongst your masters.

But those of us capable of joined up thinking are fully aware that these dictionary definitions are not in dispute.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet; A camp in which people are concentrated is, by definition, also a centre in which they are detained. Nobody (except propagandists and their victims) cares about the dictionary definition. I can assure you that if you find yourself detained in one, the distinction will be neither obvious nor important to you.

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, OK, he's calling them detention facilities. But that's exactly what they are, Concentration camps. Maybe no gas chambers, but hey, Hitler didn't start out with them either. But by the end of his first year there were something like 50 "detention facilities" for those he deemed unacceptable.

So nothing resembling Hitler's concentration camps in the slightest.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Well, OK, he's calling them detention facilities. But that's exactly what they are, Concentration camps. Maybe no gas chambers, but hey, Hitler didn't start out with them either. But by the end of his first year there were something like 50 "detention facilities" for those he deemed unacceptable.

So nothing resembling Hitler's concentration camps in the slightest.

More like Scientology's punishment camp.

 

[TSwizzle]

So nothing resembling Hitler's concentration camps in the slightest.

More like Scientology's punishment camp.

Not hardly.

 

[Elixir]

The previous administration's policy of "catch and release" was a laughable failure.

By what measure?


"...one million Mexicans and their families, including U.S.-born children, left this country for Mexico between 2009 and 2014. During that same period, an estimated 870,000 Mexicans migrated to the United States..."

 

[fast]

A camp in which people are concentrated is, by definition, also a centre in which they are detained.

And the inverse?

Nobody (except propagandists and their victims) cares about the dictionary definition. I can assure you that if you find yourself detained in one, the distinction will be neither obvious nor important to you.

Hyperbole runs amuck with liberals. Mountains out of mole hills. Most people spend a night in jail when caught driving intoxicated with a suspended license, but to hear a night in jail described as spending hard time in prison because in both instances their freedom has been restricted seems to me to be an intentional emotion driven misrepresentation designed to embellish their own internal disgust.

 

[rousseau]

Joseph Goebbels would have loved you.

What for defining these terms as given in the dictionary?

I don't understand what your end game is here? Why would someone capable of stringing a sentence together say anything supporting the Trump regime right now?

 

[fast]

What for defining these terms as given in the dictionary?

I don't understand what your end game is here? Why would someone capable of stringing a sentence together say anything supporting the Trump regime right now?

Well, in my case, it's revenge for making the drinking thread so damn hard to find.