UK JFemale Judge Condemned for "Victim Blaming" Drunk Women

[TSwizzle]

Rabid feminist goes mental after UK judge warns women the danger of getting drunk;

female judge who told women they were at greater risk of being raped if they got drunk has been accused of victim-blaming by a police commissioner. During her sentencing of a rapist in Manchester, Lindsey Kushner said there was “absolutely no excuse” for sex attacks, but that men gravitated towards vulnerable women. In her final case before retiring, the judge said women were entitled to “drink themselves into the ground”, but their disinhibited behaviour could put them in danger and they were less likely to be believed than a sober victim. The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward.The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward. “When somebody is raped they feel guilt and shame and they find it very hard to report it. If a judge has just said to them ‘well, if you drank you are more likely to get raped, we are not likely to believe you and you have been disinhibited so you’ve rather brought it on yourself’ then that guilt is just going to get worse.”

TheGruaniad

Bonkers.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Next they will tell us we probably shouldn't be walking down dark alleys carrying wads of cash or walking up to gang members in seedy bars and telling them how great their mothers are in bed. How dare they blame the victims like this?!

 

[whichphilosophy]

Rabid feminist goes mental after UK judge warns women the danger of getting drunk;

female judge who told women they were at greater risk of being raped if they got drunk has been accused of victim-blaming by a police commissioner. During her sentencing of a rapist in Manchester, Lindsey Kushner said there was “absolutely no excuse” for sex attacks, but that men gravitated towards vulnerable women. In her final case before retiring, the judge said women were entitled to “drink themselves into the ground”, but their disinhibited behaviour could put them in danger and they were less likely to be believed than a sober victim. The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward.The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward. “When somebody is raped they feel guilt and shame and they find it very hard to report it. If a judge has just said to them ‘well, if you drank you are more likely to get raped, we are not likely to believe you and you have been disinhibited so you’ve rather brought it on yourself’ then that guilt is just going to get worse.”

TheGruaniad

Bonkers.

People who are drunk are in greater danger of a lot of things such as getting run over, getting robbed, raped and attacked, losing their keys and wallets etc because they are less likely to defend themselves and less aware of their surroundings. It doesn't minimise the gravity of any perpetrators against them.

 

[repoman]

Some things that are kind of related to this are what I have seen reported about a growing ladette culture where women drink as much as men. Maybe this retiring judge is offended by it happening. Not women having one or two "dainty drinks" in an evening.

Another is about that some people just can't stop at a couples drinks and despite intending just that much get extremely drunk.

If you had a woman (or a man in the case of getting robbed or assaulted) who intended to have two drinks, but had 6-7 once buzzed and then had friends not be around, this is a tough situation.

If you had a guy who was really drunk and decided to sleep it off in the back of his car (ignoring that can be a DUI) but also forgot to lock the rear door (keys at his feet on the seat) and someone drug him out and then stole his car. Does he have any blame? Would his insurance company try to not pay for the incident?

Can we cast any blame on the still sober man for not planning ahead for when he was very drunk?

At any rate, prosecute any person who assaults or rapes a drunk person to the normal or even greater extent for when the victim is sober.

 

[Underseer]

Rabid feminist goes mental after UK judge warns women the danger of getting drunk;

female judge who told women they were at greater risk of being raped if they got drunk has been accused of victim-blaming by a police commissioner. During her sentencing of a rapist in Manchester, Lindsey Kushner said there was “absolutely no excuse” for sex attacks, but that men gravitated towards vulnerable women. In her final case before retiring, the judge said women were entitled to “drink themselves into the ground”, but their disinhibited behaviour could put them in danger and they were less likely to be believed than a sober victim. The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward.The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward. “When somebody is raped they feel guilt and shame and they find it very hard to report it. If a judge has just said to them ‘well, if you drank you are more likely to get raped, we are not likely to believe you and you have been disinhibited so you’ve rather brought it on yourself’ then that guilt is just going to get worse.”

TheGruaniad

Bonkers.

Wow, that judge is nuts.

Thanks for letting everyone know that you hate feminists and that you think there are certain conditions under which you feel women deserve to be raped.

Obviously, you feel that women deserve to be raped if they are drunk.

As you went out of your way to tell us how much you hate feminism, I can therefore surmise that you do not think men deserve to get raped when we get drunk.

So let's explore this a little further, shall we?

If a woman dresses in ways that you do not approve of, does she deserve to get raped? What is the equivalent thing a man can wear that would cause him to deserve to get raped by a gay man or a straight woman?

What sort of behavior do you feel causes women to deserve to get raped? If men behave the same way, so we deserve to get raped by gay men or straight women?

Under what other circumstances do you feel women deserve to get raped?

And what punishment do you feel should be given to feminists like me who have a moral problem with your disgusting assumptions about how the world should work?

 

[Underseer]

So hypothetical:

Let's say you get really drunk and happen to walk past the gay part off town. Do you deserve to get raped by any gay men who happen to encounter you while you are dunk?

If not, why not?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Rabid feminist goes mental after UK judge warns women the danger of getting drunk;

female judge who told women they were at greater risk of being raped if they got drunk has been accused of victim-blaming by a police commissioner. During her sentencing of a rapist in Manchester, Lindsey Kushner said there was “absolutely no excuse” for sex attacks, but that men gravitated towards vulnerable women. In her final case before retiring, the judge said women were entitled to “drink themselves into the ground”, but their disinhibited behaviour could put them in danger and they were less likely to be believed than a sober victim. The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward.The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward. “When somebody is raped they feel guilt and shame and they find it very hard to report it. If a judge has just said to them ‘well, if you drank you are more likely to get raped, we are not likely to believe you and you have been disinhibited so you’ve rather brought it on yourself’ then that guilt is just going to get worse.”

TheGruaniad

Bonkers.

I think the judge was calling for caution for drunk people can be easy targets for attacks of all sorts. No doubt a few Femi-Nazis got a bit excited over this.

 

[credoconsolans]

Next they will tell us we probably shouldn't be walking down dark alleys carrying wads of cash or walking up to gang members in seedy bars and telling them how great their mothers are in bed. How dare they blame the victims like this?!

Next they'll be telling us not to buy fancy cars or expensive jewelry or wear fancy clothes because men gravitate towards people with such things ready to rob them.

I'm sure the judge tells the victims of car theft, and property theft this as well.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

you think there are certain conditions under which you feel women deserve to be raped.

Classic strawman. Nobody said this and you know it.

And what punishment do you feel should be given to feminists like me who have a moral problem with your disgusting assumptions about how the world should work?

A plowing of the fields of straw.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I agree with the commissioner, this is victim blaming. We see it all the time in college sexual assault cases, one of the first questions is "how much did you have to drink?" Granted they want to establish incapacity, but it is often used to shame the survivor into silence.

 

[TSwizzle]

Obviously, you feel that women deserve to be raped if they are drunk.

Male bovine excrement.

But obviously you feel that reckless behavior should never have consequences. Thanks for playing.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Obviously, you feel that women deserve to be raped if they are drunk.

Male bovine excrement.

But obviously you feel that reckless behavior should never have consequences. Thanks for playing.

I feel that reckless behaviors should not have consequences, but they do. But what we consider "reckless" behavior does not mean that others can violate your body.

 

[Elixir]

...what we consider "reckless" behavior does not mean that others can violate your body.

Ideally, that would be the case.
But, can you say "Brock Turner"?

 

[TSwizzle]

Male bovine excrement.

But obviously you feel that reckless behavior should never have consequences. Thanks for playing.

I feel that reckless behaviors should not have consequences, but they do.

Pointing out that reckless behavior may have tragic consequences does not condone rape, nor blame the victim.

But what we consider "reckless" behavior does not mean that others can violate your body.

Nobody said it does. It is illegal to do so.

 

[RavenSky]

Rabid feminist goes mental after UK judge warns women the danger of getting drunk;



TheGruaniad

Bonkers.

I think the judge was calling for caution for drunk people can be easy targets for attacks of all sorts.

Not the judge's place to do from the bench. The judge was there to sentence the rapist; not to lecture the victim - and by extension - every other woman

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think the male rape thing is the key here. A guy gets raped, I doubt people would be asking if he was drunk.

I feel that reckless behaviors should not have consequences, but they do.

Pointing out that reckless behavior may have tragic consequences does not condone rape, nor blame the victim.

You are blaming the victim for reckless behavior that was 'partially responsible' for a crime committed against them.

Really, what this is saying is women shouldn't drink with men, because it doesn't offer a BAC that is okay where women don't have to worry about the drinking crossing the border from completely fine to wildly reckless. So women, don't drink near men. Otherwise, you might get raped.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Rabid feminist goes mental after UK judge warns women the danger of getting drunk;

female judge who told women they were at greater risk of being raped if they got drunk has been accused of victim-blaming by a police commissioner. During her sentencing of a rapist in Manchester, Lindsey Kushner said there was “absolutely no excuse” for sex attacks, but that men gravitated towards vulnerable women. In her final case before retiring, the judge said women were entitled to “drink themselves into the ground”, but their disinhibited behaviour could put them in danger and they were less likely to be believed than a sober victim. The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward.The Northumbria police and crime commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, said the comments were “victim-blaming” and would stop victims coming forward. “When somebody is raped they feel guilt and shame and they find it very hard to report it. If a judge has just said to them ‘well, if you drank you are more likely to get raped, we are not likely to believe you and you have been disinhibited so you’ve rather brought it on yourself’ then that guilt is just going to get worse.”

TheGruaniad

Bonkers.

I think Judge Lindsey Kushner seems a very sensible person unlike most of her critics. Still, maybe it's just me. Maybe it's because I take what she said at face value rather than as a license to misrepresent her views. It would have been bad if she had in any way blamed the victims of rape for getting drunk in the first place. But she hasn't. And I think it's a very good idea that she should alert people to the risk factors. It is equally important to teach men how to behave and to reduce the number of victims of rape.
EB

 

[RavenSky]

I think Judge Lindsey Kushner seems a very sensible person unlike most of her critics. Still, maybe it's just me. Maybe it's because I take what she said at face value rather than as a license to misrepresent her views. It would have been bad if she had in any way blamed the victims of rape for getting drunk in the first place. But she hasn't. And I think it's a very good idea that she should alert people to the risk factors. It is equally important to teach men how to behave and to reduce the number of victims of rape.
EB

During her sentencing of a rapist in Manchester, Lindsey Kushner said...

It is not her job to lecture the victims from the bench when she is supposed to be sentencing the convicted rapist

If she wanted to write an op-ed piece for the paper - fine. She'd still be victim-blaming, but it wouldn't have been as wildly inappropriate as what she actually did. At face-value, she blamed the victim while sentencing the convicted rapist. Not cool. She deserves the backlash she is getting.

 

[J842P]

During her sentencing of a rapist in Manchester, Lindsey Kushner said...

It is not her job to lecture the victims from the bench when she is supposed to be sentencing the convicted rapist

If she wanted to write an op-ed piece for the paper - fine. She'd still be victim-blaming, but it wouldn't have been as wildly inappropriate as what she actually did. At face-value, she blamed the victim while sentencing the convicted rapist. Not cool. She deserves the backlash she is getting.

To be fair, Judges quite frequently use the bench to give us their opinions, as if we should care what they think about anything other than legal matters. It's hardly unique to this case.

But judges and people that work in law in general tend to be insufferably self-absorbed and have inflated senses of self importance.

 

[TSwizzle]

Pointing out that reckless behavior may have tragic consequences does not condone rape, nor blame the victim.

You are blaming the victim for reckless behavior that was 'partially responsible' for a crime committed against them.

Reckless behavior has consequences, that's a fact of life.

Really, what this is saying is women shouldn't drink with men, because it doesn't offer a BAC that is okay where women don't have to worry about the drinking crossing the border from completely fine to wildly reckless. So women, don't drink near men. Otherwise, you might get raped.

Really, it's saying nothing like that.