UK JFemale Judge Condemned for "Victim Blaming" Drunk Women

[Angry Floof]

So hypothetical:

Let's say you get really drunk and happen to walk past the gay part off town. Do you deserve to get raped by any gay men who happen to encounter you while you are dunk?

If not, why not?

I wonder about this, too.

A society where a judge can say to a man who has been raped, "You shouldn't have gone near the rapist and you should know better than to expect not to be raped" and have people jump to defend this would be a lovely boon for people who like raping men.

Sort of like how our culture as it is now serves as a comfortable, welcoming place for people who like brutalizing women.

 

[J842P]

So hypothetical:

Let's say you get really drunk and happen to walk past the gay part off town. Do you deserve to get raped by any gay men who happen to encounter you while you are dunk?

If not, why not?

I wonder about this, too.

If it was a well established risk (recall, it is generally the feminists who claim that rape is an epidemic) that a man could get raped at a gay bar, then yeah, getting very drunk and dressing provocatively would be reckless.

I don't understand how this is suppose to be some sort of "gotcha."

 

[RavenSky]

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[Angry Floof]

I wonder about this, too.

If it was a well established risk (recall, it is generally the feminists who claim that rape is an epidemic) that a man could get raped at a gay bar, then yeah, getting very drunk and dressing provocatively would be reckless.

I don't understand how this is suppose to be some sort of "gotcha."

Read my edit. The inhumane attitudes you harbor make our society a comfortable, welcoming place for people who enjoy brutalizing women. Of course I would love to see you and your ilk live for a while in a place where other men can do as they wish with your body and you be held accountable for it. No, I don't think you deserve rape. You deserve to live in a world where you are a target of rape because you are male, and you are reminded daily of not only rapes that occur around you, to your friends and family members, but you are constantly reminded of how much you deserve it or how the world you experience doesn't exist because those who are blind to the problem insist you're overreacting. Yes, you deserve that in spades. I'd love to see how your fear- and hate-based right wing follower mentality handles that.

 

[blastula]

I wonder if drawing comics of Muhammed makes you more likely to be attacked by jihadists, that it then means you're wrong or stupid for drawing comics and should be lectured about it that it's reckless.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You are blaming the victim for reckless behavior that was 'partially responsible' for a crime committed against them.

Reckless behavior has consequences, that's a fact of life.

As long as you agree that you are blaming the victim for their behavior.

Really, what this is saying is women shouldn't drink with men, because it doesn't offer a BAC that is okay where women don't have to worry about the drinking crossing the border from completely fine to wildly reckless. So women, don't drink near men. Otherwise, you might get raped.

Really, it's saying nothing like that.

Oh goody. Then lets hear the acceptable max BAC for women then. What is the threshold between not being guilty and being guilty of "reckless behavior"? BAC of 0.05%, is that then 25% reckless? BAC or 0.14%, complete and absolute recklessness?

 

[J842P]

If it was a well established risk (recall, it is generally the feminists who claim that rape is an epidemic) that a man could get raped at a gay bar, then yeah, getting very drunk and dressing provocatively would be reckless.

I don't understand how this is suppose to be some sort of "gotcha."

Read my edit. The inhumane attitudes you harbor make our society a comfortable, welcoming place for people who enjoy brutalizing women. Of course I would love to see you and your ilk live for a while in a place where other men can do as they wish with your body and you be held accountable for it. No, I don't think you deserve rape. You deserve to live in a world where you are a target of rape because you are male, and you are reminded daily of not only rapes that occur around you, to your friends and family members, but you are constantly reminded of how much you deserve it or how the world you experience doesn't exist because those who are blind to the problem insist you're overreacting. Yes, you deserve that in spades. I'd love to see how your fear- and hate-based right wing follower mentality handles that.

What attitudes, exactly, are you referring to?
Being reckless does not imply one deserves some negative consequence, it is merely being reckless. And telling women, especially young women, "getting really drunk increases your chances of being victimized" is not "victim blaming", it is sound advice.

This society is certainly not a welcoming place of for people who enjoy brutalizing women. It is generally considered among the worst crimes you can commit, only below brutalizing children.

Indeed, if anything, men who go to prison are the most at-risk demographic to experience rape, and it is the situation that society is the most blasé about.

And please, I am not right wing in the slightest. But with regards to your wish, I don't know if such a world would ever exist, but I can tell you that young men grow up in a world where they are constantly being reminded of the potential for violence. Any drunk young male, even a sober bystander, can quickly be sucked into a whirlwind of violence at your typical drunken event - bar, house party, what have you. And when my father told me "be careful with drunks, and don't get very drunk because you could get severely beaten or killed over some stupid shit" I didn't consider it "blaming the victim," I considered it sound advice.

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Reckless behavior has consequences, that's a fact of life.

As long as you agree that you are blaming the victim for their behavior.

Really, what this is saying is women shouldn't drink with men, because it doesn't offer a BAC that is okay where women don't have to worry about the drinking crossing the border from completely fine to wildly reckless. So women, don't drink near men. Otherwise, you might get raped.

Really, it's saying nothing like that.

Oh goody. Then lets hear the acceptable max BAC for women then. What is the threshold between not being guilty and being guilty of "reckless behavior"? BAC of 0.05%, is that then 25% reckless? BAC or 0.14%, complete and absolute recklessness?

So, getting really drunk is *not* reckless? People should not avoid getting really drunk, or at least, shouldn't avoid it because it is reckless?

 

[fromderinside]

I wonder about this, too.

If it was a well established risk (recall, it is generally the feminists who claim that rape is an epidemic) that a man could get raped at a gay bar, then yeah, getting very drunk and dressing provocatively would be reckless.

I don't understand how this is suppose to be some sort of "gotcha."

Yeah, its a gotcha. You have to have balls to miss it.

 

[J842P]

If it was a well established risk (recall, it is generally the feminists who claim that rape is an epidemic) that a man could get raped at a gay bar, then yeah, getting very drunk and dressing provocatively would be reckless.

I don't understand how this is suppose to be some sort of "gotcha."

Yeah, its a gotcha. You have to have balls to miss it.

How so? You don't think people with balls are told not to act recklessly?

 

[TSwizzle]

Reckless behavior has consequences, that's a fact of life.

As long as you agree that you are blaming the victim for their behavior.

Nope.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Oh goody. Then lets hear the acceptable max BAC for women then. What is the threshold between not being guilty and being guilty of "reckless behavior"? BAC of 0.05%, is that then 25% reckless? BAC or 0.14%, complete and absolute recklessness?

So, getting really drunk is *not* reckless? People should not avoid getting really drunk, or at least, shouldn't avoid it because it is reckless?

I asked for a number. Give me a number. What BAC level means a woman has become "reckless" to the point it needs to be brought up at her rape trial? This shouldn't be real hard. If being real drunk means she is being reckless, you can put a number to it.

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Reckless behavior has consequences, that's a fact of life.

As long as you agree that you are blaming the victim for their behavior.

Nope.

This must be an English issue. You said reckless behavior has consequences. Consequences are a result of an action. If a person willfully commits to an action with consequences, then they are guilty of those consequences. You seem to want to blame the woman for their actions, but don't want to be honest about it.

 

[TSwizzle]

You said reckless behavior has consequences.

Yes, and that is all I said. The rest you just made up.

 

[coloradoatheist]

So, getting really drunk is *not* reckless? People should not avoid getting really drunk, or at least, shouldn't avoid it because it is reckless?

I asked for a number. Give me a number. What BAC level means a woman has become "reckless" to the point it needs to be brought up at her rape trial? This shouldn't be real hard. If being real drunk means she is being reckless, you can put a number to it.

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Reckless behavior has consequences, that's a fact of life.

As long as you agree that you are blaming the victim for their behavior.

Nope.

This must be an English issue. You said reckless behavior has consequences. Consequences are a result of an action. If a person willfully commits to an action with consequences, then they are guilty of those consequences. You seem to want to blame the woman for their actions, but don't want to be honest about it.

Are you saying that alcohol has no affect on a person's behavior? Rape is the hardest crime out there to know what happened and she said that if someone is drinking, especially heavily, the less likely they are to be believed.

 

[J842P]

So, getting really drunk is *not* reckless? People should not avoid getting really drunk, or at least, shouldn't avoid it because it is reckless?

I asked for a number. Give me a number. What BAC level means a woman has become "reckless" to the point it needs to be brought up at her rape trial? This shouldn't be real hard. If being real drunk means she is being reckless, you can put a number to it.

I know what you asked, but your request is silly. How does it being reckless mean that I can put a number on it? Maybe I'm not an expert on the physiology of alcohol, I don't really know what these numbers mean, but nevertheless, I can recognize someone who is very drunk? Or maybe I am an expert on the physiology of alcohol, and I know that you cannot make encompassing statements using the single statistic of BAC, because BAC interacts with several factors that ultimately determine how diminished your faculties are -- an alcoholic of several decades can function seamlessly at BAC levels that would render a novice drinker essentially incapacitated.

Maybe, just maybe, your entire line of reasoning here is a mountain of fallacies and contortions to fit someone elses argument into some form that you have been reflexively taught to knock down?

 

[TSwizzle]

Are you saying that alcohol has no affect on a person's behavior? Rape is the hardest crime out there to know what happened and she said that if someone is drinking, especially heavily, the less likely they are to be believed.

What the female judge said is that there are scumbags out there that gravitate to vulnerable (i.e. very drunk) women. The context refers to the case she was dealing with at the time.

 

[J842P]

This must be an English issue. You said reckless behavior has consequences. Consequences are a result of an action. If a person willfully commits to an action with consequences, then they are guilty of those consequences. You seem to want to blame the woman for their actions, but don't want to be honest about it.

None of these things follow, and it is quite ironic that you are accusing someone else of not understanding English. If a person commits an action which has a high probability of negative consequences, then they are guilty of being reckless. If I go to an ATM in the middle of the night in a sketchy ally, and get robbed at knife-point, then I am guilty of being reckless. I am not guilty of being robbed (i.e., the consequence), the robber is guilty of robbing me. You cannot really be guilty of a consequence, indeed, such a statement makes me wonder if you are the one who has issues with English, because I cannot parse that sentence in a way that makes sense.

 

[Underseer]

Classic strawman. Nobody said this and you know it.

And what punishment do you feel should be given to feminists like me who have a moral problem with your disgusting assumptions about how the world should work?

A plowing of the fields of straw.

Are you, or are you not defending the judge who suggested that the rape was the victim's fault for being drink?

Are you or are you not angry that feminists have criticized the judge for doing so?

If you get drunk and a gay man happens upon you and tapes you, is the rape your fault because you were drunk?

 

[J842P]

Classic strawman. Nobody said this and you know it.



A plowing of the fields of straw.

Are you, or are you not defending the judge who suggested that the rape was the victim's fault for being drink?

Are you or are you not angry that feminists have criticized the judge for doing so?

If you get drunk and a gay man happens upon you and tapes you, is the rape your fault because you were drunk?

I see that you are entirely incapable of actually addressing a person's argument, and rather prefer to put words in people's mouths to tilt at windmills.

But no, the rape is not fundamentally "your fault," since you did not commit it. But you are potentially acting recklessly by getting drunk. The fault fundamentally lies with the man that raped you.

 

[Underseer]

I wonder about this, too.

If it was a well established risk (recall, it is generally the feminists who claim that rape is an epidemic) that a man could get raped at a gay bar, then yeah, getting very drunk and dressing provocatively would be reckless.

I don't understand how this is suppose to be some sort of "gotcha."

So if you get drunk and a gay man runs into you, he can take you and the rape is your fault?

Or is it only your fault if you are in a gay bar?

If so, why is it a woman's fault for being drunk when she is not in a heterosexual bar?

Can't a gay man rape you anywhere at any time if you get drunk?

 

[J842P]

If it was a well established risk (recall, it is generally the feminists who claim that rape is an epidemic) that a man could get raped at a gay bar, then yeah, getting very drunk and dressing provocatively would be reckless.

I don't understand how this is suppose to be some sort of "gotcha."

So if you get drunk and a gay man runs into you, he can take you and the rape is your fault?

Or is it only your fault if you are in a gay bar?

If so, why is it a woman's fault for being drunk when she is not in a heterosexual bar?

Can't a gay man rape you anywhere at any time if you get drunk?

I'm sorry, but maybe you can try addressing what I'm actually writing, and not the words you wish I were writing, so you can respond with the canned arguments fed to you.

I understand that thinking for yourself can be hard...